You have no first amendment

ilkhan

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LOL you gotta ask the government permission to protest the government.
We are so enslaved.
"Please sir, may I please hold up this little sign in the park, sir?"
"NO, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time."
"Yes Sir"
 

jrh72582

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I don't even know what to say anymore. This shit happens all the time now.
Yeah but one example of a single statement from an ignorant cop provides no foundation to make larger claims about the eroding away of our rights. Just because a cop said that doesn't mean it's our new legal statute. Let's be careful with the blanket statements fellas. We still have our first amendment right and it's as strong as ever.
 

Operation 420

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Yeah but one example of a single statement from an ignorant cop provides no foundation to make larger claims about the eroding away of our rights. Just because a cop said that doesn't mean it's our new legal statute. Let's be careful with the blanket statements fellas. We still have our first amendment right and it's as strong as ever.
They taught you how to lead the sheep well professor. Go go Alpha right?

Peaceful protests have never been broken up before? There are other reports and videos of the same thing sir, so your "blanket statement" argument is moot.

Next
 

jrh72582

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They taught you how to lead the sheep well professor. Go go Alpha right?

Peaceful protests have never been broken up before? There are other reports and videos of the same thing sir, so your "blanket statement" argument is moot.

Next
I didn't make a blanket statement. I said that our first amendment right is still as intact as ever, which it is. I would need to see more 'reports'. I don't watch youtube, especially when a single youtube video is presented as evidence for the claim that our amendments are being taken away. So relax and think about what I'm saying rather than reacting to me, rather than the idea. Can you separate the two?
 

jrh72582

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Okay, so I watched the video and it's completely biased and negatively juxtaposed. Having permits for peaceful protests has been law for decades now. Decades. You can still peacefully protest in almost any area without a permit, but for some high traffic and volatile areas, you need permits. It's not an ideal situation, but it in no way indicates a complete erosion of the first amendment.

And those kids were looking for a fight. Even the editor of the video is unethically juxtaposing text to communicate agenda. When the SWAT guy moved his hand our of sight, the text read "reaching for his taser", which he wasn't doing. Inserting this text reminds people of the "don't tase me, bro" incident from months back. It's a complete pathos appeal and only weakens an argument. This video is amateur at best and proves nothing at all. It has an agenda and seeks to illusion. I mean, you must see this. Look at it objectively.

That was the National Mall. If anyone could congregate there freely at all times, it would be chaos. I remember some twenty years ago when the National Socialist Neo-nazi's tried to protest there without a permit, and of course, were turned away. It's probably a necessary law in that area.
 

Operation 420

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  1. 1917Jan 1917 - In January 1917, the National Women's Party began a peaceful protest across from the White House. Their relentless demonstration over the months became an international embarrassment for our "democracy" and police were ordered to disband them.
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  2. 1988Oct 15, 1988 - On Thursday, Mr. Hatcher delivered his own closing argument, partially written by Mr. Kunstler, telling the jury that prosecutors had talked about the Constitution ''and how it allows peaceful protest. When those sworn to uphold the Constitution won't, what do you do?'' ...
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  3. 1989Oct 2, 1989 - The march, which lasted about 25 minutes and disbanded without speeches or incident, was organized by San Leandro resident Diane Toffaleti, ... They did not attend the small, peaceful march Sunday, and Toffaleti said the family is trying to forget about what happened. ...
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  4. 1990Jan 6, 1990 - Former East German leader Erich Honecker, toppled by a peaceful protest movement late last year, has kidney cancer, the official East German news ... Horn said he was unsure whether Comecon should be disbanded altogether, but his comments added to calls by Czechoslovakia and Poland for ...
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  5. 2000Jul 19, 2000 - "The term peaceful protest is a true oxymoron when it comes to some activists targeting the DNC," said Undersheriff Bill Stonich. ... Police Chief Bernard C. Parks said the police and march organizers need to work on a plan for disbanding the demonstrations. "We're opposed to leaving ...
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  6. 2001Mar 16, 2001 - ... ... rebellion by some 200 frustrated and angry ethnic Albanian peasants and largely local veterans of the disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army. ... On Tuesday (Mar 13), the head of the Democratic Party of Albanians, Arben Xhaferi, led a peaceful protest march of thousands of Albanians ...
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  7. 2003Feb 17, 2003 - The arrests have triggered peaceful protests by ethnic Albanians and given rise to murky rumors concerning the reactivation of the armed units of the disbanded Liberation Army of Bujanovac, Presevo, and Medvedja (UCPBM) and another unnamed “liberation army” alluded to in local media ...
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  8. 2004Oct 26, 2004 - ... ... Group (AIG) has filed two applications in the Industrial Relations Commission (IRC) to have a picket outside the Longford gas plant disbanded. ... "They're describing it as a peaceful protest, but clearly it's a picket line, [if] it was only a peaceful protest people shouldn't be ...
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  9. 2005Sep 16, 2005 - Mikita has been charged with draft evasion, though last autumn he had been granted a deferral because of a traumatic brain injury received during disband of the peaceful protest rally on September 16, 2005. The youth leader had spent two months in the pre-trial ...Today a youth leader Mikita Sasim has been sentenced to 3 months of arrest by the court of Baranavichy district and the town of Baranavichy. Mikita has been charged with draft evasion, though last autumn he had been granted a deferral because of a traumatic brain injury received during disband of the peaceful protest rally on September 16, 2005. The youth leader had spent two months in the pre-trial detention center of Baranavichy before the trial, so he has to spend one more month ...
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  10. 2006Dec 11, 2006 - Pinochet disbanded DINA but reorganized the secret police under another name. The Chilean government eventually agreed to pay compensation to the ... or FPMR, an organization with links to the communists, announced it was abandoning "peaceful protest" in favor of violence and sabotage. ...
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TreesOfLife

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Okay, so I watched the video and it's completely biased and negatively juxtaposed. Having permits for peaceful protests has been law for decades now. Decades. You can still peacefully protest in almost any area without a permit, but for some high traffic and volatile areas, you need permits. It's not an ideal situation, but it in no way indicates a complete erosion of the first amendment.

And those kids were looking for a fight. Even the editor of the video is unethically juxtaposing text to communicate agenda. When the SWAT guy moved his hand our of sight, the text read "reaching for his taser", which he wasn't doing. Inserting this text reminds people of the "don't tase me, bro" incident from months back. It's a complete pathos appeal and only weakens an argument. This video is amateur at best and proves nothing at all. It has an agenda and seeks to illusion. I mean, you must see this. Look at it objectively.

That was the National Mall. If anyone could congregate there freely at all times, it would be chaos. I remember some twenty years ago when the National Socialist Neo-nazi's tried to protest there without a permit, and of course, were turned away. It's probably a necessary law in that area.
You are a piece of work. You prove this time and time again keep digging your hole.

Also it shows one of the groups that REALLY MAKES POLICY CFR. We have been usurped.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 

jrh72582

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You are a piece of work. You prove this time and time again keep digging your hole.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What's your point? Besides belittling me, what in the hell are you claiming. I know the damn amendment. Congress shall make no law.........

The Constitution MUST be interpreted to roll with the times.
 

jrh72582

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Obviously not... The above statement proves this.
Seeing as how there are multiple 'above statements' your lack of clarity has again stymied any progress being made on this argument.

I claim that this specific constitutional amendment must be limited in certain specific cases because of the chaos that could ensue if no regulation were enforced. That's my argument. I've seen what happens when malicious groups are allowed to peacefully protest in public areas. RIOTS. Not pretty (but you'll probably need a youtube video to visualize).

And your response is that individuals should have complete liberty in this matter? I guess I've seen the negative results of too much complete liberty and freedom without ANY regulation whatsoever (in this regard).
 

jrh72582

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Sounds just like Sonia Sotomayor doesn't he?
Yeah, because Sotomayor was the first person to state this idea. It's a whole fucking legal position and it's been around for a LONG time. You can't belittle this paradigm so simply. It's a bit above you, my friend.

So straw man away...
 
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