Effect of Defoliation on Yield - Skywalker OG indoor scrog

[a senile fungus]

^^^ I lol'ed ^^^

its a simple experiment guys. We don't all have access to state of the art labs and facilities. How could we? This is a federal crime after all...

I'm very interested to see how this goes, and whether you will accept or reject your null hypothesis.

That's what this is all about... If you truly are treating both beds the same then there can't be favoritism at play here, objective results will be shown at the end.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I don't hate him for it..... I feel sorry for him........

I said multiple times "you may be right" "we will see the results" "I just wanna try it out."
honestly, I feel they are right.
yet they are all hung up on their research lab heirarchy.
we are not even arguing with them. they are arguing with us.
fucking sad. time clock punchers.

my own father doesn't even talk to me like that.
they all kind of seem like angry old men frustrated that us happy young men won't just roll with the status quo and take their word for it. my ego would get butt hurt too, I guess.
but then I know how to talk to ppl to get results because I'm a charming mother fucker, and affable.

questionnaire
are you my boss? no
are you funding my little science project? no
are you mentoring me at my request? no
are the results gonna devastate your life? no
then be respectful to a fellow grower OR fuck the fuck off! your ego is not needed.

the only thing I read that really freaked me out about aggressive defoliation was the part about removing too much leaf matter disrupting the metabolic pathways and causing them to herm. THAT got my attention.

tell ya what, I'm gonna put in a call to Ed Rosenthal and see if I can get a quote.

yeah, I got them Cali Connections.

 

[chuck estevez]

I said multiple times "you may be right" "we will see the results" "I just wanna try it out."
honestly, I feel they are right.
yet they are all hung up on their research lab heirarchy.
we are not even arguing with them. they are arguing with us.
fucking sad. time clock punchers.

my own father doesn't even talk to me like that.
they all kind of seem like angry old men frustrated that us happy young men won't just roll with the status quo and take their word for it. my ego would get butt hurt too, I guess.
but then I know how to talk to ppl to get results because I'm a charming mother fucker, and affable.

questionnaire
are you my boss? no
are you funding my little science project? no
are you mentoring me at my request? no
are the results gonna devastate your life? no
then be respectful to a fellow grower OR fuck the fuck off! your ego is not needed.

the only thing I read that really freaked me out about aggressive defoliation was the part about removing too much leaf matter disrupting the metabolic pathways and causing them to herm. THAT got my attention.

tell ya what, I'm gonna put in a call to Ed Rosenthal and see if I can get a quote.

yeah, I got them Cali Connections.

If UB was ED, would you fight with him then? UB has been around longer than ED and Ed probably learned some stuff from UB. If you saw these types of threads for 20 years and they all end the same, you would be a little tired of them too. That will be the last post for me in your thread. good luck

 

[woody333333]

I said multiple times "you may be right" "we will see the results" "I just wanna try it out."
honestly, I feel they are right.
yet they are all hung up on their research lab heirarchy.
we are not even arguing with them. they are arguing with us.
fucking sad. time clock punchers.

my own father doesn't even talk to me like that.
they all kind of seem like angry old men frustrated that us happy young men won't just roll with the status quo and take their word for it. my ego would get butt hurt too, I guess.
but then I know how to talk to ppl to get results because I'm a charming mother fucker, and affable.

questionnaire
are you my boss? no
are you funding my little science project? no
are you mentoring me at my request? no
are the results gonna devastate your life? no
then be respectful to a fellow grower OR fuck the fuck off! your ego is not needed.

the only thing I read that really freaked me out about aggressive defoliation was the part about removing too much leaf matter disrupting the metabolic pathways and causing them to herm. THAT got my attention.

tell ya what, I'm gonna put in a call to Ed Rosenthal and see if I can get a quote.

yeah, I got them Cali Connections.

defoliation is pretty dumb..... not really a mystery there......

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

^^^ I lol'ed ^^^

its a simple experiment guys. We don't all have access to state of the art labs and facilities. How could we? This is a federal crime after all...

I'm very interested to see how this goes, and whether you will accept or reject your null hypothesis.

That's what this is all about... If you truly are treating both beds the same then there can't be favoritism at play here, objective results will be shown at the end.

yeah exactly! exactamundo.

a moment of silence for the pure truth has been spoken


I am treating both beds the same. it wouldn't be a legit experiment with additional variables, now would it? I will photodocument it and record data. you can find the flaws if you can but I'm pretty OCD.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I'm think around 3lbow maybe I'm in soil on these ones if water 41/2lbow

THC
lets not make anymore crazy claims about a 4 elbow indoor plant, ok?
32 colas x 60g each is 4.23 pounds is basically how it sounded to me and I was giving you the side eye myself

look what happened!

don't draw the rational but crazy crowd. shhhhhh

PM me if u like

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

defoliation is pretty dumb..... not really a mystery there......

yeah I thought so too until I had a canopy so crazy packed out that I lost a lot of bud to larf.

 

[woody333333]

yeah I thought so too until I had a canopy so crazy packed out that I lost a lot of bud to larf.

no doubt.... but it was grower error that led you there and you didn't do better than you would have w a good plan..... plants don't like being fukd w....

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

defoliation is pretty dumb..... not really a mystery there......

really and truly I think they are right: defoliation is bad for plants, they will shed their leaves themselves naturally. if at all.

I just want to see if defol seriously hurts my yield. I like to do some canopy maintenance. I like light penetration and air circulation. I just want to learn when and how much defol/canopy maintenance I can get away with without hurting my yield on Skywalker OG and Blue Drag0n

does anyone have a problem with that?

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

no doubt.... but it was grower error that led you there and you didn't do better than you would have w a good plan..... plants don't like being fukd w....

well it was one of my first runs ever and first run with that strain so.... errors were bound to happen.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I'm going back to the Haiku thread. tired of arguing

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

no doubt.... but it was grower error that led you there and you didn't do better than you would have w a good plan..... plants don't like being fukd w....

plants don't like being fucked with but that's what all growers do unless you are an organic outdoor soil grower.

 

[woody333333]

plants don't like being fucked with but that's what all growers do unless you are an organic outdoor soil grower.

I would suggest you leave em alone in flower.... you wont find any "growers" defoliating ..... not that it hurts to trim a few leaves out of the canopy but you should get all that stuff done during veg and let your plants grow into the shape you've planned.....

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I would suggest you leave em alone in flower.... you wont find any "growers" defoliating ..... not that it hurts to trim a few leaves out of the canopy but you should get all that stuff done during veg and let your plants grow into the shape you've planned.....

Yeah thats what ive been doing. I just wanted to try this on for kicks.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

Jay was telling all to Power 105.1 in NY ... when the DJs asked Hova about his beef with Robert De Niro ... which came to a head last year when RDN reportedly dressed Jay down at a party because the rapper didn't return his phone calls.
It's clear from the interview ... Jay doesn't care for Robert -- and though he never took a direct shot, he spoke in very pointed generics ... saying, "I treat people based on who they are ... who they REALLY are."

He continued, "It doesn't matter who you are, everyone has to be respectful."

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

All the growers i know defoliate the last week or two.

I would suggest you leave em alone in flower.... you wont find any "growers" defoliating ..... not that it hurts to trim a few leaves out of the canopy but you should get all that stuff done during veg and let your plants grow into the shape you've planned.....

 

[woody333333]

All the growers i know defoliate the last week or two.

that's dumb 2.......

 

[mmjmon]

All the growers i know defoliate the last week or two.

Looks like you may have to put a couple of plants aside to compare the defoliation in the last 2 weeks now....

Also, I thank you for, publicly, doing what seems to be such a controversial topic so we all can see the results of YOUR grow. I am a fan of UB and of keeping leaves as well as keeping them green. I also recognize that he has told others to not just follow the crowd and do your own experimentation for your own results. (mostly for nutes I guess)

Anyway, I just wanted to say I support the fact that you want to see how things turn out with this grow under these conditions and that it is interesting enough for me to follow along and see the progress no matter what the turn out. I love that you just want to have fun trying something out.

Thanks for sharing

 

[neo12345]

Need personal observation to confirm your observation. All of my outdoor grows are such that top to bottom all budsites get the same amount of daily photons. The lower buds are still popcorn.

No need as Chuck Estevez PH'd has confirmed that this is true, and has called us both dicks for not knowing this from birth!!

If you can grow outside then most training is probably a waste of time, it would be far easier just to let them grow au natural I agree. Growing indoors with limited light and space on the other hand is completely different in my opinion.

I have an issue with that article written by Robert Connell Clarke as it is full of conjecture and supposition, if you read the full article again carefully you'll see he uses the words might, could and may before stating what he believes are truths.

For example 'Premature removal of leaves may cause stunting, because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced.'

He doesn't appear to be speaking from a position of experience, which worries me if he is claiming to be an expert and writing articles on why you shouldn't remove leaves.

I still haven't seen any of this scientific evidence that Jorge Cevantes mentions which I think it quite strange, unless he is the only person to have seen it.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that there isn't really much scientific evidence for either side if any at all, so some respect must be given to anyone willing to have a go and try to experiment. Even though I do agree that this isn't the most scientific of tests (no offence Oscar), at least he is having a go!

I wouldn't claim that any of my experiments with defoliation are 100% scientific, but they have thrown up some interesting results which I've never mentioned but have heard them repeated by other people who have defoliated. So some of these things have been replicated by other growers doing similar things, that in itself should have most scientists at least a little interested in why these things happen when you defoliate.

There is clearly a lot of misunderstanding between both sides, but until people are willing to stop arguing and try to discuss this matter in a civil manner we will still be arguing about it in 15 years time.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

Looks like you may have to put a couple of plants aside to compare the defoliation in the last 2 weeks now....

Also, I thank you for, publicly, doing what seems to be such a controversial topic so we all can see the results of YOUR grow. I am a fan of UB and of keeping leaves as well as keeping them green. I also recognize that he has told others to not just follow the crowd and do your own experimentation for your own results. (mostly for nutes I guess)

Anyway, I just wanted to say I support the fact that you want to see how things turn out with this grow under these conditions and that it is interesting enough for me to follow along and see the progress no matter what the turn out. I love that you just want to have fun trying something out.

Thanks for sharing

Thank you. I appreciate your sentiments. Wish there were more ppl like you.