Help please!!

[ANK]

Just transplanted into ffof 5 gals, plants are a month old and have been burning and having yellowing and deadspots on leaves even though hardly any nutruents were given while they were in party cups of light warrior soil, never had this problem, I was accidently watering with 7.7 ph for about 10 days and after I fixed it problem does not seem to be getting better whem I transplanted the roots were starting to wrap around the bottom of soil and some of them were a little yellow and a little hard/brittle, could that be the problem? I just dont get why they would have been doin this weeks ago when roots were not as mature? Any advice?

 

[patrickkawi37]

Hard to say. Im going to take a guess and say too much nutrients/ watering too often. That plant is too small for a 5 gal pot it's going to take awhile to take off. Be patient . Less is more. If I were you I would get a 5 gal of ph'd water .. And I would keep watering it until the run off is at the ppm and ph where you want it.. Then let that fucker dry out before you water again. When your in soil.. Plants don't need nutrients for awhile .. Like a month or more, until they Have grown substantially. You Pretty close to killed it. So you can yank it and start over .. Or try to nurse this one back. Good luck

 

[Richard Drysift]

Ocean forest is a fairly stout mix- month old seedling can easily burn- I know because I've done the same thing. No need to ph the water because FFOF is ph balanced but you will need to leach the soil by watering as normal....try to water no more than every 3 days if you can. You could pull them out of there & add some starter mix or perlite near the roots or even back to solo cups full of starter mix if the plants are that far gone but if the damage has already been done & is minor would just allow them to recover with time. It could take a few weeks to a month but they should bounce back green & healthy once the root system repairs itself but give absolutely no nutrients until then. Using very clean water will help a lot; city tap water will work but rain water or RO will work much better

 

[ANK]

Thanks guys, I cannot put them back in party cups as they were dying to get out roots were wrappin around at bottom of cup and I had them in a light mix for a month (light warrior) before doin this transplant into ocean forest, the thing that has me stumped is ive never had this problem and I cant see it being to much nutrients as I hardly gave them any, no base nutrients at all! And once I transplant them into ocean forest I dont give them anything for a month, are you sure you dont have to ph your water when using fox farms? The soils ph is at 7 basically right out of the bag and I usually ph my water at around a low 6 and let it range from low 6s to high 6s as different nutrients uptake at different phs

 

[ANK]

Also @patrick I have already dun a runoff test and that is perfect and wpuld prefer not to yank them cause I have 20 not just 1, my tap water ppms are just above 100 so pretty good water and I have only givem them microbials and a little b 52 while in party cups for almost a month and nothin since they have been in ocean forest, wondering if its a cal mag defiency

 

[patrickkawi37]

It is not a deficiency . If you keep thinking like that your always going to have issues with your plants. What was the Ppm of the feed run off. Not the tap water . Check the run off of what comes out the bottom of the pot. I bet it is higher than you thjnk. Ffof is potent shit, and you gave them b52 on top of that. Tell me how a tiny ass plant is supposed to uptake that? A plant that small should only need to be watered Once a week if that in a 5 gal pot. Water all the way until run off and don't look at the plant or touch it for a week. Cause it seems like typical noob problem of too much nutrients and too much love

 

[ANK]

I just transplanted yesterday I havemt given them anything since over a week ago they got a half ml of b52 while they were still in cups problwm was already going on I was only watering them in cups every other day 40 ml, cant be overwatering with that they sucked it right up, when I transplanted yesterday and watered I tested the runoff it was 6.8 and according to ocean forest they balance it between 6.3 and 7 the only reason I would even think of a defiency is because they were in light warrior for almost a month and got a tiny dose of b52 once and root tonic once thats all I ever gave them besides plain ph oxygenated water, ive ruled out overwatering, roots could be the problem but they were already lookin sketchy before the roots were anywhere close to the bottom of party cups

 

[ANK]

My bad I just seen you asked for ppms not ph

 

[ANK]

It is not a deficiency . If you keep thinking like that your always going to have issues with your plants. What was the Ppm of the feed run off. Not the tap water . Check the run off of what comes out the bottom of the pot. I bet it is higher than you thjnk. Ffof is potent shit, and you gave them b52 on top of that. Tell me how a tiny ass plant is supposed to uptake that? A plant that small should only need to be watered Once a week if that in a 5 gal pot. Water all the way until run off and don't look at the plant or touch it for a week. Cause it seems like typical noob problem of too much nutrients and too much love

I just transplanted yesterday I havemt given them anything since over a week ago they got a half ml of b52 while they were still in cups problwm was already going on I was only watering them in cups every other day 40 ml, cant be overwatering with that they sucked it right up, when I transplanted yesterday and watered I tested the runoff it was 6.8 and according to ocean forest they balance it between 6.3 and 7 the only reason I would even think of a defiency is because they were in light warrior for almost a month and got a tiny dose of b52 once and root tonic once thats all I ever gave them besides plain ph oxygenated water, ive ruled out overwatering, roots could be the problem but they were already lookin sketchy before the roots were anywhere close to the bottom of party cups, im not a noob ive done over 20 grows, dont have a basement anymore so now I had to downgrade to 2 bedrooms ive never had this problem before the only new thing I tried was adding microbials which may have been a mistake cause light warrior already has that in it I dont know if too much can throw your soil off so im just lookin for any advice all is much appriecaited and why do people say plants are to small for container ive put a seed in a grow cube and then straight into a 20 gallon and got a pound from it I just measure my water and start small and once the plant is big enough then I start running enough to run all the way through (not being a dick either just really am wanting to know why people say that)

 

[patrickkawi37]

For the 4th time. What is the parts per million of your run off. It is pretty much unnecessary to ph in soil . If your ppm is above 600 than it isn't a deficiency it's a lock out

 

[ANK]

For the 4th time. What is the parts per million of your run off. It is pretty much unnecessary to ph in soil . If your ppm is above 600 than it isn't a deficiency it's a lock out

It was barley over 400 while in the cups, not sure about the ocean forest but they just went into that yesterday and this has been taking place for weeks now

 

[ANK]

It was barley over 400 while in the cups, not sure about the ocean forest but they just went into that yesterday and this has been taking place for weeks now

The new growth is always great but then after its not so new it begins yellowing with slightly burnt tips eventually leading to dead spot on the leaf and then completely drying out, my humidity has been super dry at around 20 percent, didnt think that could lead to destroyin leafs though

 

[TWS]

They are hungry and starved out from being in a solo cup with no food. They will get better in the new pot. Water as needed.
carry on.

 

[ANK]

They are hungry and starved out from being in a solo cup with no food. They will get better in the new pot. Water as needed.
carry on.

That is what I thought just wanted some assurance, have a buncha people on a different thread tellin me a buncha dumb shit like I overfed them after I keep saying for a month I hardly gave them anything, one thing I was worried about is ive never given my soil microbials before and this time I was givin them voodoo amd piranha and forgot light warrior soil already has microbes so didnt know if all that was overkill and thats what was affecting them?

 

[ANK]

They are hungry and starved out from being in a solo cup with no food. They will get better in the new pot. Water as needed.
carry on.

How often do you water just curious I try to dial it in where I give them just enough to be able to water every other day and still let them dry out completely but I hear of othere people soaking down with alot more water and only watering about once a week? Anyone have any pros and cons of either way? I know some people like to have runoff every watering, I do this as well but not until plants/roots are big enough to still dry out in 2 days

 

[patrickkawi37]

I suggested watering throughly to wash out any build up. Ffof is potent if you give them nutrients it's going to set you back further but I don't know much. I bet your ppm is well into the 7s or 800s. You can't over feed with beneficials lol I don't tbink voodoo juice caused your yellowing. A plant needs to get completely dry so the roots can search for water and grow.. If you keep a plant wet the roots will brown and die and your plants will look like shit and won't grow but a few inches in a long period of time. Sort of looks like that's what's happening considering you said these are a month old.. My plants are nearly 2 foot at a month old.

 

[patrickkawi37]

How often do you water just curious I try to dial it in where I give them just enough to be able to water every other day and still let them dry out completely but I hear of othere people soaking down with alot more water and only watering about once a week? Anyone have any pros and cons of either way? I know some people like to have runoff every watering, I do this as well but not until plants/roots are big enough to still dry out in 2 days

This is why your plant is 4 inches tall and looks like dogshit. Practice growing plants outside so you know when to water and when to not. Let your plants get dry. Your killin your shit with too much love like a typical beginner.

 

[TWS]

That is what I thought just wanted some assurance, have a buncha people on a different thread tellin me a buncha dumb shit like I overfed them after I keep saying for a month I hardly gave them anything, one thing I was worried about is ive never given my soil microbials before and this time I was givin them voodoo amd piranha and forgot light warrior soil already has microbes so didnt know if all that was overkill and thats what was affecting them?

look , Im not going to get into a pissing match with other opinions . All though OF is a bit hot those plants need food in which it will give it to them in a couple weeks. Flushing soil and checking run off is BS and will only make things worst at this point by over watering. The soil has everything those plants need right now so don't give them anything. just water as needed and don't over water. You should see them start to green up in a week or two. Part of the problem is light warrior has no food in it and holds a lot of water coupled with root bound is the position you are in right now. I would only give those plants a solo cup of water for now when completely dry as in when you but your finger in the soil the top couple of inches is dry.
use Happy frog for your seedlings next time.

 

[patrickkawi37]

look , Im not going to get into a pissing match with other opinions . All though OF is a bit hot those plants need food in which it will give it to them in a couple weeks. Flushing soil and checking run off is BS and will only make things worst at this point by over watering. The soil has everything those plants need right now so don't give them anything. just water as needed and don't over water. You should see them start to green up in a week or two. Part of the problem is light warrior has no food in it and holds a lot of water coupled with root bound is the position you are in right now. I would only give those plants a solo cup of water for now when completely dry as in when you but your finger in the soil the top couple of inches is dry.
use Happy frog for your seedlings next time.

Plants should be watered throughly and only when dry. How would you develop a nice root system if your only giving enough water to wet a solo cup.

 

[TWS]

cause right now there is not enough root ball to soak that whole pot and will only hinder those plants right now