Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

[a mongo frog]

You put two plants from the same mother in a room, one in a DWC bucket, one in an organic soil that has been amended with neem seed meal and crab shell meal, and then introduce mites, I guarantee you that the mites will flock to the DWC plant. The SAR response for plants grown in an organic soil can't be matched.

Thats a scary test.....

 

[st0wandgrow]

Can't argue with that. Do what makes you happy!

I respect the hell out of organic growers....I think it's a cool way to grow and I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. I recognize that by and large, "organic" agriculture is ecologically more friendly and I can also see how an organically grown plant can better live up to its full genetic potential in the sense that it's growing how it would naturally without human intervention.

To say however, that a plant "living up to its full genetic potential" is somehow higher in quality, to me, makes the assumption that cannabis plants have evolved for thousands of years for the sole purpose of pleasing humans. Point being, it's possible for a synthetically grown plant to have a completely different terpene-cannabinoid profile but not necessarily an inferior one.

And the whole thing about synthetically grown pot burning your throat and this and that is just the lashing out of from a group of individuals too wrapped up in a particular ideology -- either that, or they just dried improperly -- one or the other.

Anyway, there's another opinion to throw on the pile.

100% agreed. Very well put

 

[Mr.Head]

My experience with pest resistance is good. My vegetables shelf life was insane last year, lasting 5x longer then store bought tomatoes.

edit: I'm just a small closet grower lol.

 

[Darth Vapour]

You put two plants from the same mother in a room, one in a DWC bucket, one in an organic soil that has been amended with neem seed meal and crab shell meal, and then introduce mites, I guarantee you that the mites will flock to the DWC plant. The SAR response for plants grown in an organic soil can't be matched.

Untrue mites will attack anything healthy or not with that said to boost any plant one must look at what would do it and potasium SIlicate is the key ingredient in healthy plants but it will also boost THC production

 

[st0wandgrow]

Untrue mites will attack anything healthy or not with that said to boost any plant one must look at what would do it and potasium SIlicate is the key ingredient in healthy plants but it will also boost THC production

Are you familiar with chitin, and how a plant responds to it?

 

[hydroMD]

You put two plants from the same mother in a room, one in a DWC bucket, one in an organic soil that has been amended with neem seed meal and crab shell meal, and then introduce mites, I guarantee you that the mites will flock to the DWC plant. The SAR response for plants grown in an organic soil can't be matched.

I agree with you on the pest issue, but the introduction of mites kind of alters results. Every plant has the same resistance if there are no bugs in the first place!

Like i said, its up to the grower to fill the void of microorganisms and defences in hydro. Its not a cake walk but absolutely doable with certain measures.

Hence the +1 for tlo on time

 

[hydroMD]

Untrue mites will attack anything healthy or not with that said to boost any plant one must look at what would do it and potasium SIlicate is the key ingredient in healthy plants but it will also boost THC production

Yes they will attack anything, but id have to agree that a living soil web does its part to slow down colonization whereas hydro lacks these natural deturrents.

Key is not getting bugs in the first place.

Im guessing there arent any organic heads here that would be ok with me scoping gheir garden right after a mite war

 

[hydroMD]

Some day I'll build a nice clean hydro setup. I really like https://www.rollitup.org/t/harvest-a-pound-every-three-weeks.116859/page-535#post-11580814 @StinkBud 's setup. clean, seems like easy maintenance. Dudes got shit dialed in.

Do it! Hydro & aero are a lot of fun.

Im not sure how he feeds at 3000ppm though... must have something to do with extreme oxygen levels...

That woukd be a death sentence for any strain ive ever run in dwc!

1.3 ec (~600ppm) is the sweet spot for most of my sativa dwc plants. Indicas seem to like 1.5


3000ppm!?!?! Dude is growing soup hounds!

 

[Darth Vapour]

1.3 - 1.5 appears to be the perfect zone for hybrid strains .. like everything else organics . chemicals have there plus n minuses..
When it comes to insects, either way your fucked. i have seen personally organic grows 200 plant 8+ week veg go for shit in less then a week from mite infestation in a natural organic setting outside you have predator insects that help

 

[Chester da Horse]

[blah blah]
If i wasn't then why the hell hasn't agriculture farmers done the flip to organics ??? I know why its not sustainable
yup even framers want max yields its money to keep them alive ..

baaaahhahahahahaaa. nearly shat my sandwich out at that. u are funny

 

[OGEvilgenius]

interesting. But one would need like 10 seeds from the exact same mother to compare 5 vs 5. Iv grown some seeds from the same mother that finished faster and more potent then the sisters right next to them in the exact same cab. Thats why i love seeds over clones. You always get surprises

You couldn't do it with seeds if you wanted a useful test.

 

[hydroMD]

@hyroot "Hydro growers need directions and bottles and dont know how to read a plant."

Im assuming you know a little about hydro?

So considering hydro moves about twice as fast as TLO, and the grower is fine tuning every single aspect of the plants environment; your consensus is that hydro growers do not grasp the concepts of reading a plant?

Bold statement coming from a guy who practices TLO only... considering all you do is fallow a soil recipe you found and ammend/inoculate... then add water.


It would seem that when your not relying on a soil web of microorganisms to do all the work, perhaps one might even need a 'better' handle on reading a plant.

You can load up the ppms in hydro and force feed or you can fine tune your mixh and get the same results from 500-600ppm in yield with a taste that rivals any tlo

Now heres my question to you hyroot-

Of Living organics and hydro, which method do you think really needs a better handle to excell in?


QUOTE="hyroot, post: 11577648, member: 319672"]wonder why you never see organic heads in the hydro section telling people hydro is for people who dont know how to grow. Hydro growers need directions and bottles and dont know how to read a plant. That's because were not stuck in a high school mentality having to prove our way is better. Why do you hydro / Chem guys feel so threatened that you have to cone to the organic section and spit your nonsensical used car salesman bullshit. We dont care who you are or what you do...

fact of the matter is. Hydro grown or using chems / synths anything is unhealthy and down the line can and will cause disease. Hydro grown ot chems synths is force feeding a plant. Not letting the plant grow to the full potential of its genetics, losing out on teprene oils, trichomes, even color.

veggies even have a world of difference in flavor with chems vs organic. I grow all my veggies. I grow all my pot. Fish comes from the ocean and lakes. Not the store. Chicken and turkey comes from co op farmers markets. Every meal is made from scratch. We make our own flour and everything too. So no GMO, chems, synths in my diet. I'll bet ill live a lot longer than these pro Chem growers[/QUOTE]

 

[Darth Vapour]

Hydro MD read my signature enough said lol

 

[Pattahabi]

Untrue mites will attack anything healthy or not with that said to boost any plant one must look at what would do it and potasium SIlicate is the key ingredient in healthy plants but it will also boost THC production

So you are saying having crab meal and neem meal in a soil grow does not deter pests?

P-

 

[a mongo frog]

So you are saying having crab meal and neem meal in a soil grow does not deter pests?

P-

Do the spider mite test as mentioned in this thread. You tell us.

 

[foreverflyhi]

20 day veg? McDonald's? Leds?
Hahahahahahhahaha


Letting this girl veg over the summer. Is it normas that my girls are always "praying "? I'm worried

 

[hyroot]

Douchey dam were not only do organic growers tend to be circle jerkers they also have there own language

i am saying with all your bull shit aside post them 20 - 30 day clone or seed organic pictures

Hydro MD read my signature enough said lol

aaawweee how cute looking for approval from the bigger troll

 

[woody333333]

aaawweee how cute looking for approval from the bigger troll

You suck

 

[Darth Vapour]

So you are saying having crab meal and neem meal in a soil grow does not deter pests?

P-

No any meals will attract good and bad pests ,, manures, blood meal, bone meal shrimp meal , etc. will attract all
But how can we mask these smells and avoid the dreaded problem ,, simple insect repelling companion plants
Lavender, Basil, even lemon grass, Mint, Rosemary,,, Are a few examples of getting rid of unwanted insects , But what about Rodents those fuckers can destroy your plants in a matter of minutes ,,
Simple ceder mulch placed over soils a good 4- 5" this will stop a rodent from digging for that precious gold hahaha. and not only that will help keep moisture levels up its a win win cause them microbes will thrive in a good warm, moist environment

 

[st0wandgrow]

No any meals will attract good and bad pests ,, manures, blood meal, bone meal , etc will attract all
But how can we mask these smells and avoid the dreaded problem ,, simple insect repelling companion plants
Lavender, Basil, even lemon grass, Mint, Rosemary,,, Are a few examples of getting rid of unwanted insects , But what about Rodents those fuckers can destroy your plants in a matter of minutes ,,
Simple ceder mulch placed over soils a good 4- 5" this will stop a rodent from digging for that precious gold hahaha. and not only that will help keep moisture levels up its a win win cause them microbes will thrive in a good warm, moist environment

I encourage you to look in to this a bit more. Crab shell meal contains chitin. Most crustacean and bugs contain this in their exoskeleton. When you add crab shell meal to your medium the plant thinks that it is under attack by pests, and it triggers it's auto immune response.

Look it up