Official Lolbertarian thread. Discuss the benefits of No goverment

[Padawanbater2]

Do you think the ability to consent is 100% consistent in that ALL people develop the same way at the same time chronologically?

I think there is a distinction to be made between the specific kind of consent you're referring to - which is legal consent in the case of an adult having sex witha minor - when it comes to the legal consequences, it would stand to reason consent comes from the legal definition, which is granted to adults when they reach the age of 18 (in the US). Now you can argue with the arbitrary nature of assigning what age all day long, but you can't argue there should be no age because then you're left with unanswered questions conserning the legal status of people's actions in society, like the question I posed to you in the last post.

Concerning your statement about the government, it is factually incorrect. Governments, for the most part, are involuntary and do not permit individuals to not be encompassed. If you'd like to argue that one, go for it.

 

[Rob Roy]

I think there is a distinction to be made between the specific kind of consent you're referring to - which is legal consent in the case of an adult having sex witha minor - when it comes to the legal consequences, it would stand to reason consent comes from the legal definition, which is granted to adults when they reach the age of 18 (in the US). Now you can argue with the arbitrary nature of assigning what age all day long, but you can't argue there should be no age because then you're left with unanswered questions conserning the legal status of people's actions in society, like the question I posed to you in the last post.

If consent is something that other people decide for you, it's not consent, it's "permission".

Consent isn't something others can provide for you, unless there is a unanimous agreement in a given group and all people were in that group by their individual and affirmative consent to begin with.


I'm much larger than the guy in the picture have a long and flowing beard, but do frequently wear green while traipsing in the forest. I do grow my own blueberries though.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If consent is something that other people decide for you, it's not consent, it's "permission".

Consent isn't something others can provide for you, unless there is a unanimous agreement in a given group and all people were in that group by their individual and affirmative consent to begin with.


I'm much larger than the guy in the picture have a long and flowing beard, but do frequently wear green while traipsing in the forest. I do grow my own blueberries though.

Nobody is "deciding anything for you" when you reach the age of 18 and can legally give consent in accordance with US law

That's the nature of a representative republic and the very point of political elections

Dick Proenneke did exactly what you say cannot be done. Can you answer the question I posed to you in the previous post since I answered your question?

 

[ChesusRice]

I think there is a distinction to be made between the specific kind of consent you're referring to - which is legal consent in the case of an adult having sex witha minor - when it comes to the legal consequences, it would stand to reason consent comes from the legal definition, which is granted to adults when they reach the age of 18 (in the US). Now you can argue with the arbitrary nature of assigning what age all day long, but you can't argue there should be no age because then you're left with unanswered questions conserning the legal status of people's actions in society, like the question I posed to you in the last post.

He isn't arguing hypothetical.
He stated if you intervene on an adult having sex with a child. If the child gave consent you would be the molester.

He has also stated that a child having sex with an adult can be a good thing

 

[Padawanbater2]

He isn't arguing hypothetical.
He stated if you intervene on an adult having sex with a child. If the child gave consent you would be the molester.

He has also stated that a child having sex with an adult can be a good thing

What does calling him a child molester and pedophile get you?

 

[UncleBuck]

Nah, I know hypothetically they could verbally consent but that don't mean shit cos they're still kids.

Mischaracterising RR's statement doesn't do any good tho.

Why do you keep supporting pedophiles and racists?

 

[Glaucoma]

Sure. I'm happy to have a serious conversation where each of us answers the others questions.

If that were true, this would be where you actually answer a question instead of more tap dancing.

 

[Harrekin]

So it's the rabbi jerking off?
You are no better than Rob treating children as sex objects

Can a baby consent to a Rabbi sucking their penis?

 

[Fogdog]

You sure like to talk about these kinds of scenarios. I wish it were more reassuring when you say you have no fantasies, but I'm afraid the repeated scenarios you suggest are very troubling to me. I'd rather talk about consent in a more generic way than entertain your fantastic and illicit stories. You're scaring me a little bit.

I recognize one issue you have is you haven't answered when you believe you reached an age where you could provide consent. So, how old were you, when you became self aware enough to control your own body?

At which age did you develop the wherewithal to knowingly consent to things that affect you?

It seems that you are getting into the scenario thing yourself. But really, you are just being a jerk about this. Are you afraid to answer a direct question with a direct answer?

You've already discussed the generic idea of consent and I believe that you are wholly wrong about your philosophy regarding this and just about everything else. I think you are wrong about consent so I've picked one specific scenario and just one to clarify my objection. It is very simple. You say that some 13 year old children may be able to consent to sex with an adult. I think you are completely wrong but am willing to discuss it. I'm asking how would you discern the difference between a child -- a 13 year old child -- that can consent and one that cannot? To prevent you from going off into some harebrained discussion, I refined the question to apply to you personally and asked -- hypothetically -- what if it were your daughter that were having sex with a 21 year old male. How would you decide if she were able to consent. Does this question scare you? I think not.

I've answered your questions directly before and you've never directly answered one of mine, nor of anybody else as far as I can tell. If you ever answer this question, then I'll honor your question regarding when or how the age of consent is derived -- its a good one. If you don't answer my question then I'll just keep asking.

 

[Fogdog]

Nah, I know hypothetically they could verbally consent but that don't mean shit cos they're still kids.

Mischaracterising RR's statement doesn't do any good tho.

Thanks for your answer. I think we are in agreement. If I understand you correctly, you say that a child can say they agreed to sex with an adult but that agreement wouldn't carry any meaning of consent in a legal situation. Nor would it have any meaning between the parents and the adult perpetrator.

I haven't mischaracterized RR's statement, however. He has very clearly stated that children can consent in a meaningful way. He jumbles it up by saying some might be able to ... and so forth. I'd like to know how one could differentiate.

I haven't called him a pedophile. His jumbled argument about consent would be welcomed by pedophiles.

 

[Harrekin]

Thanks for your answer. I think we are in agreement. If I understand you correctly, you say that a child can say they agreed to sex with an adult but that agreement wouldn't carry any meaning of consent in a legal situation. Nor would it have any meaning between the parents and the adult perpetrator.

I haven't mischaracterized RR's statement, however. He has very clearly stated that children can consent in a meaningful way. He jumbles it up by saying some might be able to ... and so forth. I'd like to know how one could differentiate.

I haven't called him a pedophile. His jumbled argument about consent would be welcomed by pedophiles.

Personally, if someone touched my kids Id cut them from naval to chin...

I don't agree with capital punishment, but in a situation like that I'd gladly break the law.

 

[ChesusRice]

Thanks for your answer. I think we are in agreement. If I understand you correctly, you say that a child can say they agreed to sex with an adult but that agreement wouldn't carry any meaning of consent in a legal situation. Nor would it have any meaning between the parents and the adult perpetrator.

I haven't mischaracterized RR's statement, however. He has very clearly stated that children can consent in a meaningful way. He jumbles it up by saying some might be able to ... and so forth. I'd like to know how one could differentiate.

I haven't called him a pedophile. His jumbled argument about consent would be welcomed by pedophiles.

I'm calling him a pedophile.
Because only a pedophile would rationalize having sex with children the way he does.

 

[UncleBuck]

Can a baby consent to a Rabbi sucking their penis?

parents consent to metzitzah b'peh for their children, because it is not a sex act you fucking pedo.

 

[ChesusRice]

parents consent to metzitzah b'peh for their children, because it is not a sex act you fucking pedo.

It is disgusting though

 

[Harrekin]

It is disgusting though

I assume you're replying to Buck, does he even know how the ignore function works?

 

[ChesusRice]

I assume you're replying to Buck, does he even know how the ignore function works?

Correct.
I don't advocate for Rabbis sucking in baby dick
But there it's nothing sexual about it, it's a religious tradition going back 1000s of years practiced by very few

And it its what the babies parents want

And your wrong. Rob Roy is actually advocating for adults to have the right to fuck children

As long as the child consents

 

[Fogdog]

I'm calling him a pedophile.
Because only a pedophile would rationalize having sex with children the way he does.

I understand your viewpoint. I can say that you are right about his vile advocacy for a predator's right to take children and do whatever, as long at the child agrees to it. Yuck.

 

[UncleBuck]

I assume you're replying to Buck, does he even know how the ignore function works?

yep.

you spew retarded crap, i call it out for the retarded crap that it is, you look like a douche, and like an infant, you pretend it does not make you look like a racist douche because you can't see it.

infants have a better concept of object permanency, ya fucking tard.

 

[ChesusRice]

Why does RR NEVER start any threads, but rapes everyone else's with his stupidity?

 

[Harrekin]

Rob Roy,

Seems some people disagree with your views...

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...er-12yearold-girl-made-pregnant-31589470.html