My Amare & Hydroponics Hut O.C.GG#4 Grow

[Hybridway]

I let the tops get about 7"-8" from the Amare to see the plants reaction. I tend to grow close allot so I wanted to see how close I could get. The plant showed no negative effects & was still very happy. Liking the bare COB growing. Glad there's reflectors. Now I have them both at their max hieght which is 17"-18" off the canopy w/ my ceilings.
Both sides seem very happy with the Spectum they are provided. Hopefully this stretch is coming to an end soon.
Its trim week for my HPS room so I might not be around so much but I'll stay tuned in case anyone has any questions! Peace n Happy Growing!

 

[kmog33]

That solar spec....killing it.

Both look great


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[Hybridway]

Getting real tall!

 

[Hybridway]

It's to bad the HH didn't have a bigger footprint. Real happy with the Amare.

 

[kmog33]

Looking real good man. And from my perspective. Every post shows the different in how those lights perform. The solar spec is just destroying the hydro hut. From looking at it id say the only mono led panel needs to be closer to your canopy than it is. You can literally see on the am are side that you're using its full and brightest arc to cover the footprint of your plants where the hh looks like it's about six inches to a foot too high. It's crazy how well you can see their spread on your wall. Especially with the solar spec because it looks like there's a foot gap in between the light and it's useable footprint.


This pic is the one I'm talking about that you can very clearly see where the footprint is cast on the wall.

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[Hybridway]

Looking real good man. And from my perspective. Every post shows the different in how those lights perform. The solar spec is just destroying the hydro hut. From looking at it id say the only mono led panel needs to be closer to your canopy than it is. You can literally see on the am are side that you're using its full and brightest arc to cover the footprint of your plants where the hh looks like it's about six inches to a foot too high. It's crazy how well you can see their spread on your wall. Especially with the solar spec because it looks like there's a foot gap in between the light and it's useable footprint.


This pic is the one I'm talking about that you can very clearly see where the footprint is cast on the wall.

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Actually the HH is 9 COBs w/ 5 watt monochromes around it like the Amare Kind've.
That pink glow on the wall is not the actual footprint. I'll tilt the light tonight so you can see the actual footprint. Right now it only covers less then 3' with the canopy that tall. Notice how the edges of the HH side are dark?
If they both covered the 4'x4' then it would be a better competition, cuz the HH plants do seem to like the light.
Yes, I think the Amare is putting out more growth but the HH Is doing very well. Just in that 3'x3' area though. That's why I put the bigger plants on the Amare side. Didn't want to lose that much Yeild from the smaller footprint. The comp. did also say not to let it get closer then 18" too.
Working now, but I'll get back to you later. Thanks.

 

[kmog33]

Actually the HH is 9 COBs w/ 5 watt monochromes around it like the Amare Kind've.
That pink glow on the wall is not the actual footprint. I'll tilt the light tonight so you can see the actual footprint. Right now it only covers less then 3' with the canopy that tall. Notice how the edges of the HH side are dark?
If they both covered the 4'x4' then it would be a better competition, cuz the HH plants do seem to like the light.
Yes, I think the Amare is putting out more growth but the HH Is doing very well. Just in that 3'x3' area though. That's why I put the bigger plants on the Amare side. Didn't want to lose that much Yeild from the smaller footprint. The comp. did also say not to let it get closer then 18" too.
Working now, but I'll get back to you later. Thanks.

Got it. I was stating my perspective from the appearance in the pics. It just looks like it could be closer to me, by as you have the 18" rule and it's a comparison i think you probably know better from first hand experience with them. Looking real good anyway lol.


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[Hybridway]

Got it. I was stating my perspective from the appearance in the pics. It just looks like it could be closer to me, by as you have the 18" rule and it's a comparison i think you probably know better from first hand experience with them. Looking real good anyway lol.


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Believe me, I want the HH to cover the whole thing. When deciding on lights, I was very intrigued by it. Different/Cool technology, good pricing, & it's pretty much the exact spectrum I was looking for in a Burple light too.
If I lowered it anymore, it would only cover less area. I'll show you later, after work. But it does grow the plants good & they are happy. So far, w/o seeing the outcome, I would say it probobly does better then allot of Burple lights out. Really wouldn't know though cuz this is the extent of my experience with LED. when I bought it, I was a little torn between the HH & the Platinums. But the whole spectrum In one diode sold me on it. Personally, I don't think that Monochrome lights really mix the colors well enough & with hieght issues, I doubt any monochrome light would've worked for me.
The Amares recommended hieght is actually around 20" minimum so the Monos around the CXB-3070's would mix. But from what I see they are enhancing the white light fine @ 16-18". Prob. not like it's designed though. Really like the bare COB growing. Next time I'll be running them side by side with lenses on both. Thinking about a cage match.

 

[kmog33]

Believe me, I want the HH to cover the whole thing. When deciding on lights, I was very intrigued by it. Different/Cool technology, good pricing, & it's pretty much the exact spectrum I was looking for in a Burple light too.
If I lowered it anymore, it would only cover less area. I'll show you later, after work. But it does grow the plants good & they are happy. So far, w/o seeing the outcome, I would say it probobly does better then allot of Burple lights out. Really wouldn't know though cuz this is the extent of my experience with LED. when I bought it, I was a little torn between the HH & the Platinums. But the whole spectrum In one diode sold me on it. Personally, I don't think that Monochrome lights really mix the colors well enough & with hieght issues, I doubt any monochrome light would've worked for me.
The Amares recommended hieght is actually around 20" minimum so the Monos around the CXB-3070's would mix. But from what I see they are enhancing the white light fine @ 16-18". Prob. not like it's designed though. Really like the bare COB growing. Next time I'll be running them side by side with lenses on both. Thinking about a cage match.

I definitely agree with the spectrum mixing on mono panels. My pink panel takes about 18"-20" just to get to the point where the spectrum is visually mixing. The lux intensity jumps by about 10x when you hit the point that they're all mixing though. The burn is when my plants get taller than the space allows so they grow up above where I think the spectrum is actually blending. And the plants will show deficiencies at the top in this range first if I have any issues.


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[Hybridway]

Terrible news. I noticed the broken plant on the HH side is hurting. A I forgot to check the damage & unwrap it a week ago & now the damage set in. That is why it appears the HH is so much smaller. The back left plant has been stunted. I explained what happened in the beginning of this thread. Now unwrapped. As you can see, I neglected this. Not pretty. All I can do now is hope for the best.
Below is the back left plant on the Amare side which a branch split off prior to flower. Now unwrapped. So everyone should please take into account that the back left plant on the HH side make not make it. : (

 

[Hybridway]

Plant down. I feel like the worst grower ever. Even know that plant should never have lived a day past break. If I would've tended the bandage a week ago, that plant would be at least flowering something. It will die & that will be the first plant I ever lost. Go figure it would happen to me on a public forum.
Now for the BS excuses. I've been building a few rooms at once & overwhelmed myself spreading myself to thin. Haven't been fully attending any one thing the way I usually do, with mad pride.
So, I lost the back left plant on the HH side. It has been growing slow which is one reason that side seems to be getting smashed. But keep in mind, I knew going on that I'd be lucky to keep that plant. Never had one break dead center before & try to keep it. Now I know I could've but would've had to stay on top of it. I neglected it & lost it. Lesson hard learned. WTF!
I'll be judging these lights off a 2 plant comparison now.
Next time I do this test, it will be as even as possible with a better veg & plants.
The show will continue.

 

[Hybridway]

Looking real good man. And from my perspective. Every post shows the different in how those lights perform. The solar spec is just destroying the hydro hut. From looking at it id say the only mono led panel needs to be closer to your canopy than it is. You can literally see on the am are side that you're using its full and brightest arc to cover the footprint of your plants where the hh looks like it's about six inches to a foot too high. It's crazy how well you can see their spread on your wall. Especially with the solar spec because it looks like there's a foot gap in between the light and it's useable footprint.


This pic is the one I'm talking about that you can very clearly see where the footprint is cast on the wall.

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Tilted the HH to show the actual footprint. Although the glow is growing the edges, really wish this intensity was over the whole canopy. Next time I'll make short bushes. Both sides are stacking well. On The white side, the nodes/buds are slightly closer together, IMO.
Both sides drink at almost the same rate from what I can see this far. Probobly still rooting into their pots though.
As far as the hurt plant goes, I'll be cutting it at the break tomorrow & growing out the rest. Get something outta her.

 

[Psyphish]

Shit happens, once growing becomes a routine it's easy to miss things below the canopy. Either way those plants look huge and the lights seem powerful.

 

[Hybridway]

Finally cut the 1/2 of dead plant out today. Left it for like 3 days (busy) but secretly was hoping it would pop back to life. Lol! Seen these plants come back from some tough hits. Anyways, here's a quick update.

 

[Hybridway]

It official. The Amare plants drink faster. Both sides can be feed on the same day, it's not like that but 3 times in a row, they were lighter, not by much though.
Been slacking this week & need to clean the room. Last week the new AC was acting up. Noticed it didn't have weep holes in the back, got stupid n drilled a whole right into the compressor. Freeon shot everywhere & that was real fuckin stupid. Anyways, been running the stand-up since so the CO2 levels are Kind've on the fritz. Been keeping it between 500-1000 on a 15 min. Timer.
The broken plant is doing fine & enjoying the light that's getting in now.
I just looked at my last 3 GG's to take down in my HPS room & it's scary. Because those 3 are all laying on the trellis with the exception of a few buds, & it has a canopy spread of about 6'x7' with absolutely no light getting through it to the floor. They crisscross all the other plants while they grow. But it seams I've got myself in a bit of a pickle here having 3 plants shoved under a 4'x4'. Lol! But not that funny! Hope everyone's still interested in the show when we're watching a huge pile-o-bud grow on top of itself! Ha! The light spread is great on the Amare w/ the lenses off!
Getting plenty of good light outside the rail of the space.

 

[Hybridway]

Here is the link I read to begin learning about the difference between RQE + PAS lighting for my plants. I highly encourage everyone to check it out.
http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2015/09/lighting-requirments-of-planted.html?m=1
Prior to learning about this I was half way sold on all the crap LED companies wanted us to believe about R+B being all my plants need & the other colors were not necessary. Well that's true to an extent. If you want just enough for your plant then RQE is the way to go. Many have yielded good #'s from using RQE lighting. But this test is opening my eyes to the importance of the full spectrum.
Once I learned this I began to consider Amare even more. There are many reasons I picked this light, mostly it being one of the highest photon delivering lights I could find for the money. The other was the PAS it gave out. I noticed the Action spectrum was much more full then any straight Kelvin Temp. Alone. They took it a step further & shot for recreating the sun at the Equetirial line as well as the color of the sun in spring for veggetive mode.
I picked the Hydroponics Hut light because of its all in one spectra delivery & they were smart enough to add green making it an actual RQE light instead of those that are w/o green & only red n blue. To me that's not even RQE because all colors are Relevent.

 

[Hybridway]

Ok, it's like it happened overnight. The Amare is killing it. Nodes closer together everywhere. 3-4x as much bud sites per branch. Footprint exceeds the 4'x4' area compared to a 2.5'x2,5' on the HH side now that the stretch is about over. They drink faster. Appear to maybe even get colas out of them whereas even in the HPS room the GG only got spear-tops & balls. The HH is only shaping up to be spears at the tops & is struggling to keep up outside the small footprint. The Amares forming long buds everywhere.
All I can say is the benefits & downfalls when comparing these two lights & their spectrums is becoming very apparent.

 

[Airwalker16]

Your screen was so incredibly useless. The stretching your girls did after you flowered makes them look so grown out of it. I dont know why you used one if you werent gonna do it right. You gotta be bending and training those branches through it until 2 weeks in to flower. Then let them start growing back to straight upwards to fill the spots in correctly.

 

[Hybridway]

Your screen was so incredibly useless. The stretching your girls did after you flowered makes them look so grown out of it. I dont know why you used one if you werent gonna do it right. You gotta be bending and training those branches through it until 2 weeks in to flower. Then let them start growing back to straight upwards to fill the spots in correctly.

I agree. Didn't have the time, plants were to big & OC as well. Also should've had a double trellis if I didn't have the time for bending & weaving. That's a little to much plant for that space as well.
Lol! You think that's bad, you should see the 4'x4' SunCloak w/ 6 plants in it that size. Ha!
The trellis's purpose is more to catch the buds when it flops over now. It's lazy, I know, but it gets the job done in a pinch. So, Yeh, it has a purpose & a use. Just not the right one.
For anyone who's new to this, this is not a Scrog. It's a Trellis grow, it's a bit different in that instead of holding branches up it stops them from breaking & hitting the floor later.
When there's that much, there's really no room for manipulation anyways. I don't see any space for anything. Honestly just feeling lucky they didn't stretch into the light.

 

[kmog33]

Ok, it's like it happened overnight. The Amare is killing it. Nodes closer together everywhere. 3-4x as much bud sites per branch. Footprint exceeds the 4'x4' area compared to a 2.5'x2,5' on the HH side now that the stretch is about over. They drink faster. Appear to maybe even get colas out of them whereas even in the HPS room the GG only got spear-tops & balls. The HH is only shaping up to be spears at the tops & is struggling to keep up outside the small footprint. The Amares forming long buds everywhere.
All I can say is the benefits & downfalls when comparing these two lights & their spectrums is becoming very apparent.

From my opinion/perspective the amare has been killing the hh visually/perceptively the entire time. As I've stated in my posts. Maybe seeing them in person you have a different idea of what they look like, but every post the amare just pulled more and more ahead of the hh from what I can see. Literally looks like twice as much plant at this point.

Looks great,the more blurple hh may also take a few extra days to finish so it may also be falling behind on the schedule a bit, but I don't know lol,just speculation.