DNC Email Leak

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Did it surprise anybody to see that the DNC and Hillary's campaign had great ties with the left-biased media outlets? Do you think that this was enough to explain the 3 million voter difference between Sanders and Clinton? I'm not surprised and I don't think this explains the better number of voters for Hillary.
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Between this, the media blackout and vote rigging you don't see potential for a ONE PERCENT DIFFERENCE in the US population's vote?

I used to think you had an open mind. I'm sorry to be so disappointed.

You've just told them that whatever they do with your vote is fine with you.
 
ttystikk

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rollitup said:
Confucius say: Write in Bernie's name, or your own name, or Mickey Mouse. Those votes will be equally ignored.

:mrgreen:
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Indeed, which makes me wonder why Americans aren't out in force, demanding their votes be properly counted and the tallies respected.

Since they aren't, we won't have a democracy. Not now and not ever, until we demand it.
 
ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
The DNC actively campaigned against Sanders, it was much more than "she was just more prepared", they cheated, they broke the rules;

"Democratic Party Charter and Bylaws, Article 5, Section 4

The Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process."

Sanders won 46% of the popular vote, if he ran an "unprepared and disorganized" campaign, what does that say about the Clinton campaign with DNC collusion?
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It says the voice of the American People was ignored by the party that says it stands for us.
 
Padawanbater2

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So the takeaway from this is that Clinton could do literally anything from and up to actually stealing the election, and people who claim they care about democracy will still vote for her to avoid a Trump administration

Pretty sure Franklin had something to say about people like that..
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense
Why would any campaign, no matter how unprincipled, fix a race that it’s been winning from the start?
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-clinton-campaign-stole-votes-makes-no-sense/
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Article published in April, direct evidence of DNC, media and Clinton camp collusion released late July..

They absolutely stole the primary, and if they didn't, why did DWS and the DNC bother with all the bullshit? They did it so she would win.
 
doublejj

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Padawanbater2 said:
So the takeaway from this is that Clinton could do literally anything from and up to actually stealing the election, and people who claim they care about democracy will still vote for her to avoid a Trump administration

Pretty sure Franklin had something to say about people like that..
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if it's Trump or Hillary, the choice is easy...ABT
 
Padawanbater2

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doublejj said:
if it's Trump or Hillary, the choice is easy...ABT
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I would rather have a legitimate Trump presidency than a stolen Clinton one


Here's an example of Clinton's SuperPAC at work;

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamwithHER2016#page=1

In 4 pages of comments, 'HRC' is posted 189 times. This is one of hundreds, if not thousands of people the Clinton camp has paid to go online and spread misinformation to ensure her victory

I don't support sleazy shit like that just so a candidate I support on social issues can win. You act like that, you lose my vote, and that's how every American who supports democracy should treat it.

I really have to question the mind of someone who will still vote for her after knowing all of this, regardless of who her opponent is. You vote for her and you send the message that this is OK.

I'll be leaving the democratic party for good July 29th, I encourage the rest of you to join me
 
doublejj

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Padawanbater2 said:
I would rather have a legitimate Trump presidency than a stolen Clinton one


Here's an example of Clinton's SuperPAC at work;

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamwithHER2016#page=1

In 4 pages of comments, 'HRC' is posted 189 times. This is one of hundreds, if not thousands of people the Clinton camp has paid to go online and spread misinformation to ensure her victory

I don't support sleazy shit like that just so a candidate I support on social issues can win. You act like that, you lose my vote, and that's how every American who supports democracy should treat it.

I really have to question the mind of someone who will still vote for her after knowing all of this, regardless of who her opponent is. You vote for her and you send the message that this is OK.

I'll be leaving the democratic party for good July 29th, I encourage the rest of you to join me
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I like pot......no thanks
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Article published in April, direct evidence of DNC, media and Clinton camp collusion released late July..

They absolutely stole the primary, and if they didn't, why did DWS and the DNC bother with all the bullshit? They did it so she would win.
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What you've stated is an opinion and not a fact.
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
What you've stated is an opinion and not a fact.
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My opinion is that he would have won, your opinion is that it wouldn't have made a difference

The fact is we have evidence of collusion between the DNC, the media and the Clinton campaign

Your opinion that she would have won regardless is irrelevant to the fact they cheated. If we're playing Monopoly and I start out with all the money, buy all the property, then claim victory, did I win?
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Between this, the media blackout and vote rigging you don't see potential for a ONE PERCENT DIFFERENCE in the US population's vote?

I used to think you had an open mind. I'm sorry to be so disappointed.

You've just told them that whatever they do with your vote is fine with you.
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Where are the numbers to justify your conclusion as a fact? Nobody has them. And so we aren't dealing with facts, just opinions. In my opinion, there isn't enough evidence to support the conclusion that more than 3 million voters were duped and shifted their vote toward Hillary.

You have been extremely down on Hillary for as long as we've talked this subject. So, who is the one with the closed mind here? Especially when there is no way to factually state how many voters were flipped by her campaign shenanigans.

Does this make Hillary look bad? Most certainly does. Do I think anything illegal happened? Nope, do you? Should I look into voting for Trump now? Umm no and I won't contemplate him and his fascist party in power either.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
My opinion is that he would have won, your opinion is that it wouldn't have made a difference

The fact is we have evidence of collusion between the DNC, the media and the Clinton campaign

Your opinion that she would have won regardless is irrelevant to the fact they cheated. If we're playing Monopoly and I start out with all the money, buy all the property, then claim victory, did I win?
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Thank you. I respect your opinion too.

Do you think a crime was committed? Did Hillary break any laws?

If no laws were broken then maybe we should talk about making some new ones so this doesn't happen again.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Where are the numbers to justify your conclusion as a fact? Nobody has them. And so we aren't dealing with facts, just opinions. In my opinion, there isn't enough evidence to support the conclusion that more than 3 million voters were duped and shifted their vote toward Hillary.

You have been extremely down on Hillary for as long as we've talked this subject. So, who is the one with the closed mind here? Especially when there is no way to factually state how many voters were flipped by her campaign shenanigans.

Does this make Hillary look bad? Most certainly does. Do I think anything illegal happened? Nope, do you? Should I look into voting for Trump now? Umm no and I won't contemplate him and his fascist party in power either.
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If you don't think anything illegal happened, you're as benighted as a Chump supporter.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
I would rather have a legitimate Trump presidency than a stolen Clinton one


Here's an example of Clinton's SuperPAC at work;

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamwithHER2016#page=1

In 4 pages of comments, 'HRC' is posted 189 times. This is one of hundreds, if not thousands of people the Clinton camp has paid to go online and spread misinformation to ensure her victory

I don't support sleazy shit like that just so a candidate I support on social issues can win. You act like that, you lose my vote, and that's how every American who supports democracy should treat it.

I really have to question the mind of someone who will still vote for her after knowing all of this, regardless of who her opponent is. You vote for her and you send the message that this is OK.

I'll be leaving the democratic party for good July 29th, I encourage the rest of you to join me
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I don't support sleazy shit like this either. But you know what? It didn't make any difference to me. I voted for Bernie. What? Do you think only the black, hispanic and women voters are affected? Bernie won the young white male vote by a large margin and lost in every one of the other groups. How many people are swayed by this? In my opinion, it is more like shaving points than massive shifts in voting.

My mind is not closed to the subject and I'll poke around to see if there is any research in this area to show how much different it makes.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
If you don't think anything illegal happened, you're as benighted as a Chump supporter.
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So, what crimes were committed? Name them. I'm not aware of any charges. Or even anybody naming the laws that were broken. Its not that I don't think anything illegal happened, what I'm saying is that I'm not aware of any laws being broken. I'm no lawyer either. Maybe there should be a law.

Why are you so hot about the difference in our opinion? I don't get it.
 
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