Could I Be Smoking Poison?

[whitebb2727]

Ever hear "you are what you eat"? Plants are to. How can you flush it? The plant is what you fed it.

I have had some mighty fine synthetic pot and used to grow that way. I prefer organic.

My only worry with synthetics is some companies won't remove heavy metals.

 

[jsisko01]

Thank you everyone for your replies. I know I am sounding paranoid lol, but I have skimmed through articles that are claiming marijuana is just as dangerous as cigarettes, due to high amounts of nitrogen oxide and other various things. So I was under the impression my buds could be twice as potent with nitrogen due to the N tox. The sugar leaves literally turned dark black and basically dying, they were real easy to pull off. Normally I would say fuck it and just smoke it all, but I am having weird side affects such as cramps in my arms or legs like I'm having a heart attack lol (just exaggerating). I'm a heavy smoker, I smoke around 3-4 times a day and I just wanted make sure it's safe before I blow through the whole harvest in a short span

The clawing meant the soil was a bit too hot but that's about it. You do realize that there are nitrates in just about everything you consume. Nutrients are in your food; unless you consider hot dogs to be poison you are good.
Next time when you build a mix let it set for a month before using it and/or cut it down with some coco & perlite. Water only soil is great but you've got to wait until the ph is in a safe range before dropping young plants in it.

The guy claimed he lets his soil cook for 45 days. He makes this stuff in mass amounts and actually does it for a living now lol. He's popular around the Ann Arbor area and has his own website. It seems to be good, I have a grape ape thriving in it, as well as various tomato plants and peppers. You just put a thin layer at the bottom of your potting mix, depending on the size of the pot. But I know I screwed up and put too much for an autoflower strain. They say they are very sensitive to nutes so being a hot super soil.. yeah. He warned me about it, and also said this stuff would kill seedlings and young clones.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Ever hear "you are what you eat"? Plants are to. How can you flush it? The plant is what you fed it.

I have had some mighty fine synthetic pot and used to grow that way. I prefer organic.

My only worry with synthetics is some companies won't remove heavy metals.

There is actually a trend toward higher incidence of heavy metals in organically grown food, there was at least one study...can't find it now, damn it.
But this article is good.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/green_room/2008/09/rusted_roots.html

I am not saying 'organic' growing is bad, but it is not necessarily better than chemical ferilizers in this specific way. There is also no such thing as synthetic pot. Chemical nutrients are still organic chemicals, in the chemistry sense of the word, which we should really pay attention to. The conversation around organic agriculture is really frustrating to me, and I am running water-only organic soil right now. I am pro organic ag, but the misconceptions about it are plentiful.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Thank you everyone for your replies. I know I am sounding paranoid lol, but I have skimmed through articles that are claiming marijuana is just as dangerous as cigarettes, due to high amounts of nitrogen oxide and other various things. So I was under the impression my buds could be twice as potent with nitrogen due to the N tox. The sugar leaves literally turned dark black and basically dying, they were real easy to pull off. Normally I would say fuck it and just smoke it all, but I am having weird side affects such as cramps in my arms or legs like I'm having a heart attack lol (just exaggerating). I'm a heavy smoker, I smoke around 3-4 times a day and I just wanted make sure it's safe before I blow through the whole harvest in a short span


The guy claimed he lets his soil cook for 45 days. He makes this stuff in mass amounts and actually does it for a living now lol. He's popular around the Ann Arbor area and has his own website. It seems to be good, I have a grape ape thriving in it, as well as various tomato plants and peppers. You just put a thin layer at the bottom of your potting mix, depending on the size of the pot. But I know I screwed up and put too much for an autoflower strain. They say they are very sensitive to nutes so being a hot super soil.. yeah. He warned me about it, and also said this stuff would kill seedlings and young clones.

Consult a doctor, there is nothing helpful in those ridiculous articles you mentioned. Your symptoms have nothing to do with high nitrogen in your weed. As long as you did not do something to contaminate it otherwise, that's not your problem. Talk to a nurse at least, get your vitals checked

 

[Dr. Who]

I use to feed my plant grape kool aid, couldn't taste it in the bud. I did get diabetes though.

DUDE! It's Mt DEW!

For a speedy up style buzz it's MONSTER (green of course)

 

[Dr. Who]

There is actually a trend toward higher incidence of heavy metals in organically grown food, there was at least one study...can't find it now, damn it.
But this article is good.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/green_room/2008/09/rusted_roots.html

I am not saying 'organic' growing is bad, but it is not necessarily better than chemical fertilizers in this specific way. There is also no such thing as synthetic pot. Chemical nutrients are still organic chemicals, in the chemistry sense of the word, which we should really pay attention to. The conversation around organic agriculture is really frustrating to me, and I am running water-only organic soil right now. I am pro organic ag, but the misconceptions about it are plentiful.

The quality of what you get out is directly proportional to the quality of the material you use to build that soil!
This is what MANY of us "organic" folks dislike the most! Poor quality ingredients used/available for use. Many of us avoid the use of Blood meal, Bone meal and feather meals to name a few!
I use many things available on my farms for building soils. Being an organic farm co-op. I like to think we manage our farms to avoid this and other problems along that line!

Metal contents come from available metals in the soil or the fertilizer used. In soil content's, it's brought to the plant by natural chelation by the bio's in the soil. In synthetic's is from metals in the source used and then chelated by EDTA, HTPA or EDDHA. These are synthetic chelators and thay actually contain a mol of metal in them already. Each tend to attract different element by preference. EDTA likes Calcium based structures a lot and so forth.

Organic is great! Our products last longer on the table and in the fridge, taste better and appear better to the eye when grown right.

You ARE quite correct though. In the end, organic or synthetic, the molecules the plant uses (uptakes) for nutrients - ARE the same!

I have NO problem with synthetic AND the poster on "not listing heavy metal contents" in synthetics is wrong. While metal contents are not listed on the bottles - The makers have available those contents - It's up to you to go to their sites and find out how to view them!

 

[Michael Huntherz]

The quality of what you get out is directly proportional to the quality of the material you use to build that soil!
This is what MANY of us "organic" folks dislike the most! Poor quality ingredients used/available for use. Many of us avoid the use of Blood meal, Bone meal and feather meals to name a few!
I use many things available on my farms for building soils. Being an organic farm co-op. I like to think we manage our farms to avoid this and other problems along that line!

Metal contents come from available metals in the soil or the fertilizer used. In soil content's, it's brought to the plant by natural chelation by the bio's in the soil. In synthetic's is from metals in the source used and then chelated by EDTA, HTPA or EDDHA. These are synthetic chelators and thay actually contain a mol of metal in them already. Each tend to attract different element by preference. EDTA likes Calcium based structures a lot and so forth.

Organic is great! Our products last longer on the table and in the fridge, taste better and appear better to the eye when grown right.

You ARE quite correct though. In the end, organic or synthetic, the molecules the plant uses (uptakes) for nutrients - ARE the same!

I have NO problem with synthetic AND the poster on "not listing heavy metal contents" in synthetics is wrong. While metal contents are not listed on the bottles - The makers have available those contents - It's up to you to go to their sites and find out how to view them!

Great post, man! I tip my hat in your direction.

 

[Psyphish]

My Red Poison had some clawing even thought it didn't get much nutrients. And black leaves can happen, I've seen it often.

 

[whitebb2727]

The quality of what you get out is directly proportional to the quality of the material you use to build that soil!
This is what MANY of us "organic" folks dislike the most! Poor quality ingredients used/available for use. Many of us avoid the use of Blood meal, Bone meal and feather meals to name a few!
I use many things available on my farms for building soils. Being an organic farm co-op. I like to think we manage our farms to avoid this and other problems along that line!

Metal contents come from available metals in the soil or the fertilizer used. In soil content's, it's brought to the plant by natural chelation by the bio's in the soil. In synthetic's is from metals in the source used and then chelated by EDTA, HTPA or EDDHA. These are synthetic chelators and thay actually contain a mol of metal in them already. Each tend to attract different element by preference. EDTA likes Calcium based structures a lot and so forth.

Organic is great! Our products last longer on the table and in the fridge, taste better and appear better to the eye when grown right.

You ARE quite correct though. In the end, organic or synthetic, the molecules the plant uses (uptakes) for nutrients - ARE the same!

I have NO problem with synthetic AND the poster on "not listing heavy metal contents" in synthetics is wrong. While metal contents are not listed on the bottles - The makers have available those contents - It's up to you to go to their sites and find out how to view them!

That's ridiculous. It should be on the bottle not some website. You know what I meant.

 

[whitebb2727]

There is actually a trend toward higher incidence of heavy metals in organically grown food, there was at least one study...can't find it now, damn it.
But this article is good.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/green_room/2008/09/rusted_roots.html

I am not saying 'organic' growing is bad, but it is not necessarily better than chemical ferilizers in this specific way. There is also no such thing as synthetic pot. Chemical nutrients are still organic chemicals, in the chemistry sense of the word, which we should really pay attention to. The conversation around organic agriculture is really frustrating to me, and I am running water-only organic soil right now. I am pro organic ag, but the misconceptions about it are plentiful.

Synthetic grown pot is what I meant.

This is from your own article, read it.

 

[Dr. Who]

That's ridiculous. It should be on the bottle not some website. You know what I meant.

I agree! Even with organic materials! Sure as HELL won't use "Milorganite" on ANYTHING! Talk about metal content - wowser!

You need to take that up with the FDA! A branch of the federal government. As soon as "Federal Government" is involved = Good Fucking LUCK!
Till that time - check the makers web sites for how to find metal content out!

 

[Yodaweed]

Your plant is full of dihydrogen peroxide , which can be fatal.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Synthetic grown pot is what I meant.

This is from your own article, read it.
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Sorry I upset you. It is a good article, I didn't say it supported exactly what I posted, I posted it as an alternative. As I said, I couldn't find the study I was referring to this morning. I'm definitely completely over it now, and I'm not going to look it up. Go ahead and ignore everything else I said, too. Thanks.

 

[whitebb2727]

Sorry I upset you. It is a good article, I didn't say it supported exactly what I posted, I posted it as an alternative. As I said, I couldn't find the study I was referring to this morning. I'm definitely completely over it now, and I'm not going to look it up. Go ahead and ignore everything else I said, too. Thanks.

You didn't upset me.

Not a whole lot of studies on it.

I can tell you that this year has been bad. 100+ all season and very little rain. My no till organic vegetable garden faired better than most non organic gardens in the area.

That's not really proof either.

I don't doubt that composting large amounts of manure can cause buildup of heavy metals.

I think that there are a lot of variables to make it a blanket statement.

I also wouldn't expect lower levels of metals in organic soil. I would expect them to be about the same.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

You didn't upset me.

Not a whole lot of studies on it.

I can tell you that this year has been bad. 100+ all season and very little rain. My no till organic vegetable garden faired better than most non organic gardens in the area.

That's not really proof either.

I don't doubt that composting large amounts of manure can cause buildup of heavy metals.

I think that there are a lot of variables to make it a blanket statement.

I also wouldn't expect lower levels of metals in organic soil. I would expect them to be about the same.

They, from the mystery study, are at almost imperceptibly different levels, that's true. I didn't mean to misrepresent it.

 

[buzzardbreath]

..Dude. Not trying to insult you, but you sound really silly. If you grew organically and didn't directly add poison to it, just because your plant is nitrogen toxic doesn't mean it can poison you. It can't.

Why you lying to him ODG? Remember that one dude OD'd with nitrogen toxicity and his eyes melted into the back of his sinus cavity. He looked like this after his first couple bowls.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Why you lying to him ODG? Remember that one dude OD'd with nitrogen toxicity and his eyes melted into the back of his sinus cavity. He looked like this after his first couple bowls.

Oh, my bad. I forgot all about that. :0

 

[Stinky Buds]

Never mind what anybody says, it's definitely poison, don't smoke it.
Send it to me and I can guarantee I will provide analysis.
Promise.

 

[Colo MMJ]

Buy high quality Colorado bud. Do not buy Mexican cartel weed sprayed with insecticide.

Always do a really good flush before harvest.

 

[Budley Doright]

I use to feed my plant grape kool aid, couldn't taste it in the bud. I did get diabetes though.

Ya I got the sugar too, massive amounts of pot cookies I think.