Yodaweed
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awww yea, gotta love that chem 4, it's got the flavors, the yield, and super potent high, one of the best strains ever.4 man, because its the best, anyone says different they're a frikken liar !
Greenpoint seeds!!
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chemphlegm
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its that frikken moth ball floor cleaner chemical astringent thing for me, first hit scores me in the center of my eyes, second hit is stars for me, chinese eyes, sore jaw, ..
CannaBruh
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Call me a liar 'cause I think the potency of the D kicks the shit out of 44 man, because its the best, anyone says different they're a frikken liar !
plus 4 has this look like it never wants to finish.D all day
higher self
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With the GMO craze going strong I know im not the only one who would rather just have the Chem minus the cookies. I think I remember seeing Connoisseur Genetics have that out 1st with OG Chem Cookies and their gear has always been stupid dank for me. For now Cookies can stay out of my Chem haha!!
morgwar
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I "hear" a lot about cookies having issues from any breeder. Not much for sweets.
My cannabis has to pair well with my liquor cabinet selections which are mainly scotch, rum, and gin.
Cookies and scotch? Maybe!
Chem 91 and gin martinis hell yeah. Has me wandering around the sagebrush at night having heated arguments with coyotes.
Can't wait for a blackgold and scotch binge this fall after the rattles go to sleep.
morgwar
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If you can get your hands on some tomahawk. I think you'll be happy
the gnome
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thanx for the heads up morgwar, Ive got a whole pak of copper in cups getting ready for uppotting.
I usually veg 5+wks so topping em sounds like the thing ta do.
i picked up 2 paks and now I'm eyeballing the 1 in auction which would cot me a $40 w/points lol!
btw Gu, whats up or not with sky pilot?
just waiting for beans to ripen or.......?
all 3 sky ladies will put your azz in orbit!
a real heavy hi, and worth having more back up beanz
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higher self
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I like my indicas to lean more on the pugnant oheeew side lol but I don't mind the sweet tasting ones either, especially grape terps like from Grape Stomper. Sativa's on the other hand must be fruity, hazy or those other erotic smells.
Yeah waiting to score a pack of those as well could fetch them from that other site but I like to support the GPS website than them, I can wait.
chemphlegm
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I got me some jellies, black gold too!!
I'm awaiting a solid chem 4 expression from Gu. I have confidence in Black Gold, Copper too but cant verify yet.
Nobody to this date has offered a more pronounced #4 than RD CommerceCityKush imo. I aint prejudice though and will
fire every (keeper of the 3 remaining) that Raindance hasnt already done. That will make my entire year round indoor pro grow
a 100% Gu Greenpoint gear. Then maybe I post a picture quarterly, even.
I'm awaiting a solid chem 4 expression from Gu. I have confidence in Black Gold, Copper too but cant verify yet.
Nobody to this date has offered a more pronounced #4 than RD CommerceCityKush imo. I aint prejudice though and will
fire every (keeper of the 3 remaining) that Raindance hasnt already done. That will make my entire year round indoor pro grow
a 100% Gu Greenpoint gear. Then maybe I post a picture quarterly, even.
chemphlegm
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there you have it, yours are never finished so D wins every timeCall me a liar 'cause I think the potency of the D kicks the shit out of 4
D all day
I hear ya, I love D too big time, real big time. but the moth ball thing is a must in my daily diet, it couldnt be topped imo, until some geek hybridizes them using healthy quality parents...hey wait a minute.......
I thought I was going pure with Chemdawgs, then someone turned me on to Greenpoint, been a game changer for handful of patients already. With limited plant count spots I've culled even flowering favorites to make room for dozens of Raindances and even an unknown Copper Chem line for real=confidence now
chemphlegm
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theres no GMO weed in breeder selections yet
. these would be patented & protected fiercely if they existed, they will, just not now
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blu3bird
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I believe GMO is garlic mushroom onion, I think I've read somewhere its a GSC x Chem cross I'm not 100% sure though. Garlic breath from thugpug is GMO x studly
CannaBruh
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Did somebody mislabel your cuts or you didn't run them side by side? I ditched the 4 as it was like a better yielding zero calorie chem D with tad longer flower time. Still fantastic but not my cup o tea, chemdog D hits harder & is much more in your face stank but this is just my opinion.there you have it, yours are never finished so D wins every time
whytewidow
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I haven't grown tomahawk but I have smoked the finished product. It's pretty good. Based on what my buddy grew in soil, I give it between an A- and B+ it was a little harsh. But that can also be from not getting a proper flush, dry, and or cure. But overall it bakes your ass.
morgwar
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If I top it's usually a week before flower, a quick snip about 3 nodes down and boom Scrog with no screen even canopy and all. No lolly pop no defoliate. Unused leaves fall off and it trims itself. Worked for every strain I've grown. But that's just me every setup requires a different approach.
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chemphlegm
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never bought cuts. I have 72 plants full time, with all but one is a chemdog, some pure, some hybrids. I'm very familiar with each of these cuts. I've singled out 4 and d have had them side by side for much of my gardening life. like I said I love both.
I never cared about yield but when nose, effects, potency, are in question I'm left not wanting with either, however, the 4 is my cup of tea for that moth ball smell that D doesnt have. both are the most pleasant marijuanas I've had in my life, why I keep rooms full
CannaBruh
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Dude I dunno I don't get it how @chemphlegm can say the 4 is an equal to the D, it's not close imo. The potency is on another level and the stank is too. All good to each their own.
chemphlegm
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maybe your cuts are mislabeled? maybe neither of us have real chemdogs, maybe they both hybrids already who knows. maybe we have differing chemotypes, maybe health, rx use, alcohol, mental health, many factors prolly..
or likely room to room variations, water, air, light, love, c02, nutrients, substrate, climate controls, etc....all play huge parts in expressions right. I use c02, never spray, never had mites, dont use molasses, use only organic chicken shit crumbles with calcium for nutrients, new pro mix, spring water (spigot in room) hid lights in flower, t5 in veg. my flowers are solid milky the week my breeders suggest almost every time, my plants amber if left to do so past those dates. --if any of that helps figure
CannaBruh
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I dunno it's fairly undisputed which is the outright winner in potency, I've never met a single person who said they liked the 4 better or that it was a better more potent cut than D. Everyone I smoked the D with was toast, the 4 was ok, it'll compete but the D will cut right through it. Your mileage may vary, but yours is an outlier ime
morgwar
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Coming from the same bag at the great full dead blah blah blah lol and same mother you can get a "pure" chem 91 that presents as a chem 3 or d or 4.
The genes rarely go away they just get flipped on or off. (Not saying everybody doesn't already know this)
So I'm not suprised to hear conflicting descriptions after years of seeing occasional cherry tomatoes on beefsteak plants. Ibl is the grail but hard to maintain generational vigor.
F2 a polyhybrid and plant a 1000 seeds and you'll see its entire lineage.
The genes rarely go away they just get flipped on or off. (Not saying everybody doesn't already know this)
So I'm not suprised to hear conflicting descriptions after years of seeing occasional cherry tomatoes on beefsteak plants. Ibl is the grail but hard to maintain generational vigor.
F2 a polyhybrid and plant a 1000 seeds and you'll see its entire lineage.