Confused rookie grower needing some help

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Tommystone

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Hi everyone ...Im new to growing and ive been wasting a lot of time doing things wrong buying the wrong products..confused by different information ive read and was given..lost money on seeds a few times with poor results. I wanted to know if i can start flushing my plant when 25%of pistils hairs are brown or 50% of them??im also getting small buds and i was using flora trio...doesnt seem.to be the best optio...which nutes should i buy to get huge buds?what kind of soil is the best to use?is promix ok?do i need to add products to the soil?how much quantity of water or nutes/water do i need to give connected to the size of the pott?is opening my jars in the 1st week twice a day for 10mins enough?

If anybody could answer any of my questions i would be very grateful...to do things right finally and to stop spending a fortune with my local dealer..it sucks when your growing weed and you gotta buy some lol....thanks
 
hotrodharley

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Tommystone said:
Hi everyone ...Im new to growing and ive been wasting a lot of time doing things wrong buying the wrong products..confused by different information ive read and was given..lost money on seeds a few times with poor results. I wanted to know if i can start flushing my plant when 25%of pistils hairs are brown or 50% of them??im also getting small buds and i was using flora trio...doesnt seem.to be the best optio...which nutes should i buy to get huge buds?what kind of soil is the best to use?is promix ok?do i need to add products to the soil?how much quantity of water or nutes/water do i need to give connected to the size of the pott?is opening my jars in the 1st week twice a day for 10mins enough?

If anybody could answer any of my questions i would be very grateful...to do things right finally and to stop spending a fortune with my local dealer..it sucks when your growing weed and you gotta buy some lol....thanks
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If you are still getting white hairs it’s not close to ready. If you are going by hairs they should all be red. Flora series works great. How about details such as strain, medium etc and some pics?
 
Renfro

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if you use pro mix it's a peat based potting mix that won't provide nutrients persay so you will have to use nutrients. Some people like the Jacks nutrients, cheap, I prefer GH three part, gives me excellent results, massive yields and excellent quality... whatever you choose if you are in pro mix you should run a pH of 6.5 - 6.8.

When you water/feed you should get about 20% runoff out the bottom of the pot to prevent salt buildups. An adult plant will take a feed of somewhere around 1000 - 1200 PPM. If using RO water you will need a calmag product. Calmag gets added first, then micro, grow and bloom if using the flora trio. The chart I put on here is for a 30 gallon mix, so you can divide by 30 to see how many ml/gal. Products are added in that order as well, the Armor Si goes first, then Calimagic...

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What kind of lights are you running? Tell us about your grow room setup.

I hope that answered a few questions for you.
 
hawse

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What do you think went wrong with the seeds that you lost money on, just curious? How much light do you have/what is your environment like? temps and humidity?
 
hotrodharley

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SheeshM said:
"which nutes should i buy to get huge buds?" The nutrient line you have is just fine. Lighting is the most important factor for bud size IMO. Answer the questions from Hawse. That is where you should focus.
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Agree with the light. Everything else is secondary.
 
pthobson

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Yeah your bud size will depend on a number of things not just nutrients. If everything else is in order, temps, humidity, lighting, ventilation, medium, pest control, etc you could use just about any nutrients (proper dosage obviously) and be rewarded
 
Renfro

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Bud size is also related to plant size and number of buds. So if you have two plants, same strain, age and size, but you cut all the small branches off one of them and flower them both, the plant with less buds should grow bigger buds. Lighting is a very important factor as others have mentioned. You can't just feed a plant more and force it to make big buds, in fact you are likely to end up with smaller buds if you overfeed. If your plant is growing well and not showing signs of nutrient deficiencies then the feed is fine. Bud size is also highly strain dependent. Some strains like GSC will make smallish buds no matter what.
 
pthobson

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Renfro said:
Bud size is also related to plant size and number of buds. So if you have two plants, same strain, age and size, but you cut all the small branches off one of them and flower them both, the plant with less buds should grow bigger buds. Lighting is a very important factor as others have mentioned. You can't just feed a plant more and force it to make big buds, in fact you are likely to end up with smaller buds if you overfeed. If your plant is growing well and not showing signs of nutrient deficiencies then the feed is fine. Bud size is also highly strain dependent. Some strains like GSC will make smallish buds no matter what.
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Agreed. Under feeding much more manageable than over feeding.
 
CanadianJim

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Renfro said:
if you use pro mix it's a peat based potting mix that won't provide nutrients persay so you will have to use nutrients. .
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That depends what type of promix you use. The flower potting mix is way too hot, nutrient wise, I use the "herb & vegetable" mix and it still has too much nitrogen for some sativas. It'll work well for indicas, though some might show some clawing of the bottom couple of leaves. If you're using that kind of promix you don't need to feed your plants for at least a month, usually for me a couple of months. After that you look to see any signs of deficiency and feed from there. There are a couple of types that, as Renfro says, are almost nute free. With those you'd need to feed from the first week.
I had a nitrogen excess with one grow and it caused small buds, the other plants of that strain were in different soil and buds were decent size.
Forgot to say, I don't flush. Cure is more important for taste/smooth smoke.
 
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Everyone has been in your predicament and the first thing we do is reach for the nutrient bottle.unless I’m doing Dwc I don’t use bottled nutrients.you’d be better learning organic soil it’s cheap and you can reuse it again and again and you will have huge buds but only with good genetics and a decent light.Mars Hydro sp250 but that a whole other topic
 
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Tommystone

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Hi,,thanks for your reply,,,oh really?cause I was reading on other threads that your supposed to start flushing when it's 10%brown hairs...so I have to wait until all the hairs are red to start flushing?do leafs become yellow when its time to do the 2 weeks flush,,or it's not related?i have multiple plants right now of Bruce banner ,durban,,skunk and Girl Scout cookies ,,but I just need to know signs on the plant when it's time to do the last 2week flush.?i don't have a magnificent glass atm,,the plants I was enquiring about are all red hair but on some the buds look small,,there's not really any yellow on leafs jut a few spots,,should I flush it now?i was about to do that tomorrow and to stop giving nutes///yea some said flora trio is ok,,but when I see te results of the ones using advanced nutrients it's like day and night ,I mean their buds are so huge lol someone showed me plants he used with fox farm and sensi bloom and it's was huge ,,,can I add nutes or any stuff with the flora trio?it seems the buds don't get too big with it,,I only bought it cause it was cheap to start but now I'm thinking of buying more expensive nutes for better results ,,and what is the best soil to grow with?,let me know what you think,,,thanks!

hotrodharley said:
If you are still getting white hairs it’s not close to ready. If you are going by hairs they should all be red. Flora series works great. How about details such as strain, medium etc and some pics?
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Hi,,thanks for your reply,,,I have 1000hps light and 3 x LEDs 300w in a large closet with around 40 potts,,///ok so calmagic and armor si I can add with the flora trio//I saw results of sensi 2part grow and bloom and te buds looked like monsters lol do you think it's worth buying those nutes?i just want to buy the best nutes and soil at this point just to get the best results, ,,,,and the Ro water stands for ?is there anything worth adding to the soil besides nutes?when do I start flushing if I look at the red hairs ,,,at what percentage of red hairs do I start doing the last 2 week flush?some told me all red hairs ,,,some said to start flushing when it's 25% red hairs ?if I buy huge Potts to grow in ,,,will it help the bud size ?and also I wanted to know if I use all the leafs collected can I make brownies or hash with it ?or it won't get you high enough cause it's leafs?im tryin to figure out what to do with them next ,,,,let me know what you think ,,thanks again!


Renfro said:
if you use pro mix it's a peat based potting mix that won't provide nutrients persay so you will have to use nutrients. Some people like the Jacks nutrients, cheap, I prefer GH three part, gives me excellent results, massive yields and excellent quality... whatever you choose if you are in pro mix you should run a pH of 6.5 - 6.8.

When you water/feed you should get about 20% runoff out the bottom of the pot to prevent salt buildups. An adult plant will take a feed of somewhere around 1000 - 1200 PPM. If using RO water you will need a calmag product. Calmag gets added first, then micro, grow and bloom if using the flora trio. The chart I put on here is for a 30 gallon mix, so you can divide by 30 to see how many ml/gal. Products are added in that order as well, the Armor Si goes first, then Calimagic...

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What kind of lights are you running? Tell us about your grow room setup.

I hope that answered a few questions for you.
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Tommystone

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nitoker said:
Everyone has been in your predicament and the first thing we do is reach for the nutrient bottle.unless I’m doing Dwc I don’t use bottled nutrients.you’d be better learning organic soil it’s cheap and you can reuse it again and again and you will have huge buds but only with good genetics and a decent light.Mars Hydro sp250 but that a whole other topic
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So you can grow with organic soil and no use of nutes?is that soil way more expensive compared to promix?
 
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CanadianJim said:
That depends what type of promix you use. The flower potting mix is way too hot, nutrient wise, I use the "herb & vegetable" mix and it still has too much nitrogen for some sativas. It'll work well for indicas, though some might show some clawing of the bottom couple of leaves. If you're using that kind of promix you don't need to feed your plants for at least a month, usually for me a couple of months. After that you look to see any signs of deficiency and feed from there. There are a couple of types that, as Renfro says, are almost nute free. With those you'd need to feed from the first week.
I had a nitrogen excess with one grow and it caused small buds, the other plants of that strain were in different soil and buds were decent size.
Forgot to say, I don't flush. Cure is more important for taste/smooth smoke.
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You don't flush??first time I hear that,,,,yea I use the vegetables one ,,,so I don't give nutes for the first month with this one?also ,,the website who sold me the seeds Idk what to think cause some of the same Strains plants looks different ,,some flowered without me doing the 12/12,,,why?do I need to put those in flowering when that happens?thanks
 
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Tommystone

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Renfro said:
Bud size is also related to plant size and number of buds. So if you have two plants, same strain, age and size, but you cut all the small branches off one of them and flower them both, the plant with less buds should grow bigger buds. Lighting is a very important factor as others have mentioned. You can't just feed a plant more and force it to make big buds, in fact you are likely to end up with smaller buds if you overfeed. If your plant is growing well and not showing signs of nutrient deficiencies then the feed is fine. Bud size is also highly strain dependent. Some strains like GSC will make smallish buds no matter what.
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Ok thanks,,,,yea that gsc is so small I'm never buying that again ,,but I like the Bruce banners I got those ones worked well,,,if the plants flowers before the 12/12 ,,what do I do?i leave in veg or put in flowering?im
Using. 1000hps light
 
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