Doonbeg- stealing taxpayers money

[Fogdog]

A fat person gets fat because they have some combination of genetic factors, caloric imbalances, mobility issues (maybe others, but those are the big ones I can think to get a person investing too many calories for the amount they burn off in a typical span of time.

Being gay in the 90's and earlier was not the healthiest lifestyle.

And I know I have heard 'nobody wants to be gay' before.

I am not saying we live in a world for fat people. If someone is really struggling and wants to make it easier on their bodies, they should just get a gastric sleeve put in. There are medical procedures that can 'fix' fat people. But it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. It is like telling a person who makes a livelihood in a physical job that they need to do a couple hours of rigorous math everyday because society would be better off.

I don't know if the medical procedures actually fix anything. They probably avoid chronic issues for the patient but the ongoing side effects aren't all that great. The solution is problematic in today's world.

The change in the US diet to reduce obesity, a diet of fresh fruits, vegetables and whole grains with very little animal protein and vegetable oils take time and knowledge to cook that people don't seem to have anymore. Also more walking, cycling and less economic stress play roles. Not as much money can be made from this compared to fast food restaurants and frozen foods. It's just not an attractive package to sell to billionaires who expect double digit profit margins and double digit profit growth. The obesity epidemic is as much an outcome of our economic system as it is our own weaknesses.

 

[hanimmal]

I don't know if the medical procedures actually fix anything. They probably avoid chronic issues for the patient but the ongoing side effects aren't all that great. The solution is problematic in today's world.

The change in the US diet to reduce obesity, a diet of fresh fruits, vegetables and whole grains with very little animal protein and vegetable oils take time and knowledge to cook that people don't seem to have anymore. Also more walking, cycling and less economic stress play roles. Not as much money can be made from this compared to fast food restaurants and frozen foods. It's just not an attractive package to sell to billionaires who expect double digit profit margins and double digit profit growth. The obesity epidemic is as much an outcome of our economic system as it is our own weaknesses.

Fat will help when we are living in water world due to climate change. These guys used to be land animals too. Who knows where humanity ends up. Fat people exists, maybe it is just a product of society, humanity evolves, doesn't mean it's a problem to fix.

 

[Fogdog]

Fat will help when we are living in water world due to climate change. These guys used to be land animals too. Who knows where humanity ends up. Fat people exists, maybe it is just a product of society, humanity evolves, doesn't mean it's a problem to fix.

I get your point, I'm just not sold on the idea that people want to be unhealthy and unhappy.

 

[hanimmal]

I get your point, I'm just not sold on the idea that people want to be unhealthy and unhappy.

I wonder what the correlation between someone 'talking' to a fat person about 'losing weight to be healthy' and unhappiness.

 

[Grandpapy]

A fat person gets fat because they have some combination of genetic factors, caloric imbalances, mobility issues (maybe others, but those are the big ones I can think to get a person investing too many calories for the amount they burn off in a typical span of time.

Being gay in the 90's and earlier was not the healthiest lifestyle.

And I know I have heard 'nobody wants to be gay' before.

I am not saying we live in a world for fat people. If someone is really struggling and wants to make it easier on their bodies, they should just get a gastric sleeve put in. There are medical procedures that can 'fix' fat people. But it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. It is like telling a person who makes a livelihood in a physical job that they need to do a couple hours of rigorous math everyday because society would be better off.

Well, they would be closer to having the knowledge of knowing that since our lifespan is now 5 years shorter, our retirement should start earlier too!

Teaching people that Carbs and Sugars are habit forming isn't profitable.

If you can stand the struggle to get off them for 5 days it becomes easier.


“Together with other recent analyses of sugar industry documents, our findings suggest the industry sponsored a research program in the 1960s and 1970s that successfully cast doubt about the hazards of sucrose while promoting fat as the dietary culprit in CHD [coronary heart disease].”
https://paleoleap.com/sugar-cover-up-what-you-need-to-know/

Sugar, That's Jeb Bush's Industry that's enables the Medical industry to flourish at the cost of American security.


Education, is too expensive for America's Industrial Leaders.

ps. don't forget about Exxon covering up Climate Change. Distractions are coming.

http://climatecasechart.com/case/people-v-exxon-mobil-corporation/

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I wonder what the correlation between someone 'talking' to a fat person about 'losing weight to be healthy' and unhappiness.

The Carter Foundation has certified that that is shitty American cheese and beer.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The Carter Foundation has certified that that is shitty American cheese and beer.

It is, real men drink Canadian beer, then he'd be more drunk than fat, American beer is for pussies.

 

[Fogdog]

I wonder what the correlation between someone 'talking' to a fat person about 'losing weight to be healthy' and unhappiness.

Other 1st world countries don't have the same rates of obesity why is the US different? Why is it that people focus on the fat person and not the industries who make that food? You have talked a lot about how Russia and GOP are behind the propaganda that is the impetus behind Trump. Maybe the food industry's campaign of misleading ads and biased science studies is the major component behind America's epidemic of obesity?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

It is, real men drink Canadian beer, then he'd be more drunk than fat, American beer is for pussies.

I'm drinking a 9% right now. How about you?

 

[ttystikk]

I would like to see a study that looks at the lifelong costs of being a 'healthy' person vs a 'fat' person. I doubt it would be any different.

You'd be wrong, too. People live longer, healthier lives and are far more productive bring at healthy weight and getting regular exercise. America has the world's leading rate of diabetes, for example.

Downplaying the consequences of unhealthy lifestyles makes you part of the problem.

 

[Fogdog]

You'd be wrong, too. People live longer, healthier lives and are far more productive bring at healthy weight and getting regular exercise. America has the world's leading rate of diabetes, for example.

Downplaying the consequences of unhealthy lifestyles makes you part of the problem.

goddam tty,

You are so fat your face has eaten your chin and neck. You are so fat you have to grow face hair just so people don't mistake your mouth for an anus between two bloated cheeks and freak out when they see the eyes.

His comment centered on fat shaming, which, yes, I just indulged in. Do you think fat shaming is a healthy way to encourage people to lose weight?

I don't think it is, I think the causes go way beyond a moral failure on the part of fat people. I'm guessing you, me and hannibal can agree on this.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I'm drinking a 9% right now. How about you?

Holyshit! ya better watch out when ya smoke a joint, ya don't catch afire!
I didn't say real men didn't exist in America, it's just that if ya drink the regular beer, it's sure sign ya ain't one!

Or so I've heard around these parts, people are saying...

 

[ttystikk]

goddam tty,

You are so fat your face has eaten your chin and neck. You are so fat you have to grow face hair just so people don't mistake your mouth for an anus between two bloated cheeks and freak out when they see the eyes.

His comment centered on fat shaming, which, yes, I just indulged in. Do you think fat shaming is a healthy way to encourage people to lose weight?

I don't think it is, I think the causes go way beyond a moral failure on the part of fat people. I'm guessing you, me and hannibal can agree on this.

I find myself in agreement with you on less and less anymore.

You lack both a sense of ethics and credibility.

No one should take you seriously.

 

[Fogdog]

I find myself in agreement with you on less and less anymore.

So you are saying we agree.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

So you are saying we agree.

I'm staying out of this shit but I'm watching human nature in action and I'm a keen observer with a kinda unique perspective on it too, at least around here.

I will note the personal integrity of the participants is important and the obvious disadvantages of one of the participants and negates what they say for those who value character and self consistency. For some, association with a position can be used to harm a larger cause.

It takes 5 positive social interactions to negate the effects of one negative one and it's the same for cats, bats and dogs. Once a reputation has been harmed or destroyed it is difficult to recover, trust only returns after a long time, contrition and change must come before forgiveness.

 

[hanimmal]

Other 1st world countries don't have the same rates of obesity why is the US different? Why is it that people focus on the fat person and not the industries who make that food? You have talked a lot about how Russia and GOP are behind the propaganda that is the impetus behind Trump. Maybe the food industry's campaign of misleading ads and biased science studies is the major component behind America's epidemic of obesity?

Our civilization here in America spread out after ww2 and the freeway system, at the same time MacDonalds and other companies started bringing high caloric food for dirt cheap without having to get out of your car before you get home from work. Add to it all of the gas station food, too much to list, with pop and other sugar products that are subsidized and packed into our food. Every single commercial break on tv is a reminder of all the delicious food that can be on your plate in a moments notice. It is crazy how people can easily consume 5k+ calories in a meal at some of these places for a hours worth of minimum wage labor.

Im completely in agreement w the food companies role in this.

Edit: And I blame them for a lot of the plastic littering.

You'd be wrong, too. People live longer, healthier lives and are far more productive bring at healthy weight and getting regular exercise. America has the world's leading rate of diabetes, for example.

Downplaying the consequences of unhealthy lifestyles makes you part of the problem.

But does that mean fat people are anyway more costly than non-fat people? They live longer by a few years, so those costs are just backloaded for healthier people. Productive? How many crane operators/tattoo artists/programmers literally are most productive when they are sitting in one spot for hours on end focusing their entire attention to what they are doing.

I would guess too America has the worlds leading rate of shin splints too.

I would guess the only people that really care are those insurance companies that would rather have all the health issues hit during social security/government insurance years so they can get off without being used much. Which you said you hate those companies so much right?

 

[Fogdog]

I'm staying out of this shit but I'm watching human nature in action and I'm a keen observer with a kinda unique perspective on it too, at least around here.

I will note the personal integrity of the participants is important and the obvious disadvantages of one of the participants and negates what they say for those who value character and self consistency. For some, association with a position can be used to harm a larger cause.

It takes 5 positive social interactions to negate the effects of one negative one and it's the same for cats, bats and dogs. Once a reputation has been harmed or destroyed it is difficult to recover, trust only returns after a long time, contrition and change must come before forgiveness.

So you are saying we agree.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

So you are saying we agree.

I'd rather say nothing than I already have, but I will note it is normal and socially healthy for people to reject and eject people from groups for miss behavior and moral failings. And to use whatever means are at hand to do so.

 

[Fogdog]

I'd rather say nothing than I've already have, but I will note it is normal and socially healthy for people to reject and eject people from groups for miss behavior and moral failings. And to use whatever means are at hand to do so.

I happen to think that fascists can't be negotiated with.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I happen to think that fascists can't be negotiated with.

I've made my views on that one clear! Baseball bats can be part of normal human social interaction too and not just for games either!