Not Locking down doesn't work

[potroastV2]

The forth of July will be over shadowed by a huge second wave of the virus caused by a combination of opening up too soon and all the idiots that will completely disregard any social distancing advice, the hoax morons.

You're absolutely correct, and we can use this to our advantage.

When the hoax morons start the second wave, and are hospitalized ...

we can go to their houses and take all of their assault rifles.

 

[Fogdog]

To reprise the CDC’s own expansively defined WITH Covid-death numbers (63,469) through May 2nd, the share of total deaths and the mortality rates for the three Nations of Covid were are follows:

• Kid Nation under 15 years: 60.9 million persons and 13 deaths (0.02% of total) or 0.02 per 100,000;
• Parents & Workers Nation 15-64: 214.5 million persons, 12,637 deaths (19.9% of total) and 5.9 per 100,000;
• Grandparents & Great Grandparents Nation 65 and older: 52.4 million persons, 50,819 deaths (80% of total) and 97.0 per 100,000.

In short, if you are thinking straight, you do not stop social congregation in the leisure, hospitality, personal services and retail sectors to protect the 276 million persons in the Kids Nation and Parent & Workers Nation, who comprise the overwhelming share of congregants there.


Their risk of death is tiny. Indeed, the Covid-mortality rate of 5.9 per 100,000 for the Parents & Workers Nation is barely above the mortality rate for suicide among that age group and less than 1% of the cohort’s total annual mortality rate of more than 600 per 100,000.

Excerpted from an article written by David Stockman.

Lulz,

Eyes closed wide open.

Stay home and keep safe.

because not locking down doesn't work.

 

[Budley Doright]

You're absolutely correct, and we can use this to our advantage.

When the hoax morons start the second wave, and are hospitalized ...

we can go to their houses and take all of their assault rifles.

Then can we shoot them? Asking for a friend. And feel free to quote me AC.

 

[Rob Roy]

Lulz,

Eyes closed wide open.

Stay home and keep safe.

because not locking down doesn't work.

Except your home ISN'T going to be safe for very long.

Below is info. Excerpted from an article by Gary Barnett, I added emphasis to the "government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. This will not sit well with some people who default to the idea that they own themselves.

See you at the prison camps!

H.R.6666 is the COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, and Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act now in Congress. This is a fascist public/private partnership to trace everyone by what is referred to as “contact-tracing,” something right out of the Gestapo. This is not only mass surveillance of the entire population, but allows for any member of any household to be forcibly removed based on government criteria including the number of bathrooms in the home. Draconian does not even begin to describe what is going on, as with implementation of these policies, government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. State governments are already prepared to implement these strategies, and New York has begun the largest “contact tracing” surveillance effort in the United States already. In addition, the Trump Whitehouse economic advisor, Kevin Hassett, stated that “there is no downside” to implementing those measures on a national level to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Except your home ISN'T going to be safe for very long.

Below is info. Excerpted from an article by Gary Barnett, I added emphasis to the "government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. This will not sit well with some people who default to the idea that they own themselves.

See you at the prison camps!

H.R.6666 is the COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, and Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act now in Congress. This is a fascist public/private partnership to trace everyone by what is referred to as “contact-tracing,” something right out of the Gestapo. This is not only mass surveillance of the entire population, but allows for any member of any household to be forcibly removed based on government criteria including the number of bathrooms in the home. Draconian does not even begin to describe what is going on, as with implementation of these policies, government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. State governments are already prepared to implement these strategies, and New York has begun the largest “contact tracing” surveillance effort in the United States already. In addition, the Trump Whitehouse economic advisor, Kevin Hassett, stated that “there is no downside” to implementing those measures on a national level to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

gary barnet seems to be lying

116th CONGRESS 2d Session

H. R. 6666

To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
May 1, 2020
Mr. Rush (for himself, Ms. Barragán, Ms. Bass, Mr. Beyer, Mr. Brown of Maryland, Mr. Butterfield, Mr. Cárdenas, Mr. Carson of Indiana, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Correa, Mr. Cuellar, Ms. DeGette, Mrs. Demings, Mr. Gonzalez of Texas, Mr. Grijalva, Mr. Hastings, Mrs. Hayes, Mr. Higgins of New York, Ms. Kaptur, Mr. Khanna, Ms. Kuster of New Hampshire, Mr. Larson of Connecticut, Mr. Lynch, Ms. McCollum, Ms. Moore, Ms. Norton, Mr. Payne, Mr. Raskin, Mr. Rouda, Mr. Ryan, Mr. Sarbanes, Ms. Sewell of Alabama, Mr. Sires, Mr. Soto, Ms. Tlaib, Mr. Thompson of Mississippi, Mr. Van Drew, Ms. Velázquez, Ms. Wasserman Schultz, and Mrs. Napolitano) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce
A BILL
To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “COVID–19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act”.
SEC. 2. COVID–19 TESTING AND CONTACT TRACING USING MOBILE HEALTH UNITS.

(a) In General.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services, acting through the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, may award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, to trace and monitor the contacts of infected individuals, and to support the quarantine of such contacts, through—
(1) mobile health units; and
(2) as necessary, testing individuals and providing individuals with services related to testing and quarantine at their residences.
(b) Permissible Uses Of Funds.—A grant recipient under this section may use the grant funds, in support of the activities described in subsection (a)—
(1) to hire, train, compensate, and pay the expenses of individuals; and
(2) to purchase personal protective equipment and other supplies.
(c) Priority.—In selecting grant recipients under this section, the Secretary shall give priority to—
(1) applicants proposing to conduct activities funded under this section in hot spots and medically underserved communities; and
(2) applicants that agree, in hiring individuals to carry out activities funded under this section, to hire residents of the area or community where the activities will primarily occur, with higher priority among applicants described in this paragraph given based on the percentage of individuals to be hired from such area or community.
(d) Distribution.—In selecting grant recipients under this section, the Secretary shall ensure that grants are distributed across urban and rural areas.
(e) Federal Privacy Requirements.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede any Federal privacy or confidentiality requirement, including the regulations promulgated under section 264(c) of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (Public Law 104–191; 110 Stat. 2033) and section 543 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 290dd–2).
(f) Definitions.—In this section:
(1) The term “eligible entity” means—
(A) a Federally qualified health center (as defined in section 1861(aa) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x(aa)));
(B) a school-based health clinic;
(C) a disproportionate share hospital (as defined under the applicable State plan under title XIX of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396 et seq.) pursuant to section 1923(a)(1)(A) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1396r–4));
(D) an academic medical center;
(E) a nonprofit organization (including any such faith-based organization);
(F) an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001));
(G) a high school (as defined in section 8101 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 7801)); or
(H) any other type of entity that is determined by the Secretary to be an eligible entity for purposes of this section.
(2) The term “emergency period” has the meaning given to that term in section 1135(g)(1)(B) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320b–5(g)(1)(B)).
(3) The term “hot spot” means a geographic area where the rate of infection with the virus that causes COVID–19 exceeds the national average.
(4) The term “medically underserved community” has the meaning given to that term in section 799B of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 295p).
(5) The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
(g) Authorization Of Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there are authorized to be appropriated—
(1) $100,000,000,000 for fiscal year 2020; and
(2) such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues.
/quote]

 

[Rob Roy]

gary barnet seems to be lying

To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes.


So, you believe if a person is selected for testing, they will be able to decline their "offer" ?

 

[ginjawarrior]

To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes.


So, you believe if a person is selected for testing, they will be able to decline their "offer" ?

that act mentions nothing whatsoever about it being forceful

try again

 

[Fogdog]

Except your home ISN'T going to be safe for very long.

Below is info. Excerpted from an article by Gary Barnett, I added emphasis to the "government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. This will not sit well with some people who default to the idea that they own themselves.

See you at the prison camps!

H.R.6666 is the COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, and Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act now in Congress. This is a fascist public/private partnership to trace everyone by what is referred to as “contact-tracing,” something right out of the Gestapo. This is not only mass surveillance of the entire population, but allows for any member of any household to be forcibly removed based on government criteria including the number of bathrooms in the home. Draconian does not even begin to describe what is going on, as with implementation of these policies, government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary. State governments are already prepared to implement these strategies, and New York has begun the largest “contact tracing” surveillance effort in the United States already. In addition, the Trump Whitehouse economic advisor, Kevin Hassett, stated that “there is no downside” to implementing those measures on a national level to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

This is your phobia and you've been imagining that scenario for years.

I'm not trying to reason with you. I'm just saying, keep your old ass home for a while longer. Widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols are necessary to enable your old ass to safely come back out. Not just your old ass but to keep your old ass from infecting people who are close to you. Just follow health guidelines.

 

[Rob Roy]

that act mentions nothing whatsoever about it being forceful

try again

So you believe it will be completely voluntary and you will be able to decline it?

Are the various unconstitutional Governor lockdowns completely voluntary?
Are they just "recommendations" or will people who continue to keep open a "nonessential business" be harmed if they continuously disobey. all the way up to being killed if they continue to disobey and attempt to defend their property?

 

[Fogdog]

To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes.


So, you believe if a person is selected for testing, they will be able to decline their "offer" ?

That's how it went during a survey in Corvallis, Oregon. 80% agreed to the test. 455 people tested and results compiled into a report with privacy protections in place. Do you see ghosts too?

 

[Rob Roy]

This is your phobia and you've been imagining that scenario for years.

I'm not trying to reason with you. I'm just saying, keep your old ass home for a while longer. Widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols are necessary to enable your old ass to safely come back out. Not just your old ass but to keep your old ass from infecting people who are close to you. Just follow health guidelines.

Phobia? So some people aren't "locked down" ? That hasn't happened ?

I KNOW you're NOT trying to reason, you're trying to obfuscate and act as an apologist, using euphemisms for what is happening. Anytime you try to use reason, I easily defeat you by pointing out the contradictions and rationalizations in your sorry arguments.

Do you think widespread testing will be completely voluntary? Tracing, completely voluntary ? Isolation protocols, completely voluntary?

If my old ass, isn't going to voluntarily comply, will they shrug and leave me alone ?

I am following health guidelines, MY health guidelines.

 

[Rob Roy]

That's how it went during a survey in Corvallis, Oregon. 80% agreed to the test. 455 people tested and results compiled into a report with privacy protections in place. Do you see ghosts too?

So when people take a test and don't get the results back for two weeks, would it be safe to say those results aren't as useful as getting an instantaneous result? In two weeks, couldn't a person whose test was negative, somehow contract the virus ?

Also, if privacy protections are put into place, does that exempt the government from knowing the results ?

 

[Fogdog]

Phobia? So some people aren't "locked down" ? That hasn't happened ?

I KNOW you're NOT trying to reason, you're trying to obfuscate and act as an apologist, using euphemisms for what is happening. Anytime you try to use reason, I easily defeat you by pointing out the contradictions and rationalizations in your sorry arguments.

Do you think widespread testing will be completely voluntary? Tracing, completely voluntary ? Isolation protocols, completely voluntary?

If my old ass, isn't going to voluntarily comply, will they shrug and leave me alone ?

I am following health guidelines, MY health guidelines.

Yeah, yeah you've been obsessed about this subject for years, your post isn't even a new wrinkle.

I'm not trying to reason with you. I'm just saying, stay home and let people do their jobs so that the economy can safely open back up.

You aren't complying now. So, let's get specific. What's happened to you when you broke with guidelines? Did cops snatch your old ass from the park where you were getting too close to kids? Yeah, that's not because of the virus.

 

[Rob Roy]

Yeah, yeah you've been obsessed about this subject for years, your post isn't even a new wrinkle.

I'm not trying to reason with you. I'm just saying, stay home and let people do their jobs so that the economy can safely open back up.

You aren't complying now. So, let's get specific. What's happened to you when you broke with guidelines? Did cops snatch your old ass from the park where you were getting too close to kids? Yeah, that's not because of the virus.

I know that using reason isn't a strong suit of yours. If it was, you'd be wondering where all that "new money" that's been created came from and wonder what's really behind it.

Also, "the economy" isn't going to safely open back up, if it remains subject to being shut down again by governmental fiat. That is a dangerous precedent, which sheep like you seem to accept.

I have kids in my freezer to see me through a lockdown. Yum, baby goats!

 

[Fogdog]

I know that using reason isn't a strong suit of yours. If it was, you'd be wondering where all that "new money" that's been created came from and wonder what's really behind it.

Also, "the economy" isn't going to safely open back up, if it remains subject to being shut down again by governmental fiat. That is a dangerous precedent, which sheep like you seem to accept.

I have kids in my freezer to see me through a lockdown. Yum, baby goats!
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I'm not even going to try to reason with you Roy. You lost the ability to do so a long time ago.

So, just stay home and keep your nasty hands clean. That's all. It's a clear message. If you don't follow that guideline and get sick or get others sick, it's all on you.

Clearly, you have no intention of following guidelines. Again, I ask has some black ops car driven up and snatched you? Tell us, what happened?

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not even going to try to reason with you Roy. You lost the ability to do so a long time ago.

So, just stay home and keep your nasty hands clean. That's all. It's a clear message. If you don't follow that guideline and get sick or get others sick, it's all on you.

Clearly, you have no intention of following guidelines. Again, I ask has some black ops car driven up and snatched you? Tell us, what happened?

Oh look, another excerpt from a 6666 type article! Bold emphasis added for you...


Dr. Robert Levin, the director of Ventura County Public Health, said the county would be hiring large numbers of contact tracers and isolating every one of the people who test positive for COVID, and find every one of their contacts and make sure they were quarantined and check on them every day. Dr. Levin also noted that the program would likely be nation-wide with thousands brought on to be contact investigators.


Perhaps most controversially, Dr. Levin spoke of removing people from their homes. His words: “We also realize that as we find more contacts some of the people we find are going to have trouble being isolated for instance if they live in a home where there's only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there and those people don't have COVID infection we're not going to be able to keep the person in that home. Every person who we're isolating for instance needs to have their own bathroom and so we'll be moving people like this into other kinds of housing.”

 

[ginjawarrior]

So you believe it will be completely voluntary and you will be able to decline it?

Are the various unconstitutional Governor lockdowns completely voluntary?
Are they just "recommendations" or will people who continue to keep open a "nonessential business" be harmed if they continuously disobey. all the way up to being killed if they continue to disobey and attempt to defend their property?

rob roy: heres a the government act saying (with added emphasis) "government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary"

me: doesnt say that anywhere..

rob roy: yeah but just imagine if it did.

me: cool story bro



society is opening up that means at somepoint some people are definitely going to get sick and need to be tested to see if they have corona or not.

now these people can be sensible and quarantine themselves at home and wait for someone to bring them a test

or they could not be sensible and go out infecting more people and go wait at doctors to get tested



how do you propose getting tests to those people who are being sensible and staying at home?

 

[Rob Roy]

rob roy: heres a the government act saying (with added emphasis) "government agents can come into any home and remove and imprison any they deem necessary"

me: doesnt say that anywhere..

rob roy: yeah but just imagine if it did.

me: cool story bro



society is opening up that means at somepoint some people are definitely going to get sick and need to be tested to see if they have corona or not.

now these people can be sensible and quarantine themselves at home and wait for someone to bring them a test

or they could not be sensible and go out infecting more people and go wait at doctors to get tested



how do you propose getting tests to those people who are being sensible and staying at home?

Nothing to see in this excerpt either?

Despite the apologies and the claim of misspeaking, another Ventura county health official let slip the non-voluntary side of the program in another newscast. Chris Ornelas, a contact tracing nurse in Ventura county, said that should someone refuse isolation a health officer would be consulted for “next steps.”


“If it’s someone that is refusing, we will definitely consult with our health officer to look into the next steps,” he remarked.


I called the Ventura County health department Saturday to ask what Ornelas meant by “next steps” but have not yet had a response.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Nothing to see in this excerpt either?

Despite the apologies and the claim of misspeaking, another Ventura county health official let slip the non-voluntary side of the program in another newscast. Chris Ornelas, a contact tracing nurse in Ventura county, said that should someone refuse isolation a health officer would be consulted for “next steps.”


“If it’s someone that is refusing, we will definitely consult with our health officer to look into the next steps,” he remarked.


I called the Ventura County health department Saturday to ask what Ornelas meant by “next steps” but have not yet had a response.

that still does not change what the act says what ever you are imagining.

now as to whether someone who is refusing to "isolate"

that means that person knows they caught corona, they know they are infectious and they know that giving it to someone else might kill them

knowing that if the person deliberately goes out in public then i see it akin to firing a gun into a crowd of people

 

[Fogdog]

Oh look, another excerpt from a 6666 type article! Bold emphasis added for you...


Dr. Robert Levin, the director of Ventura County Public Health, said the county would be hiring large numbers of contact tracers and isolating every one of the people who test positive for COVID, and find every one of their contacts and make sure they were quarantined and check on them every day. Dr. Levin also noted that the program would likely be nation-wide with thousands brought on to be contact investigators.


Perhaps most controversially, Dr. Levin spoke of removing people from their homes. His words: “We also realize that as we find more contacts some of the people we find are going to have trouble being isolated for instance if they live in a home where there's only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there and those people don't have COVID infection we're not going to be able to keep the person in that home. Every person who we're isolating for instance needs to have their own bathroom and so we'll be moving people like this into other kinds of housing.”

I'm just asking Rob,

You've obsessed over this for years.

Tell us, when did you experience this? I'm not talking about the times you were caught diddling children, I'm asking when it happened as you were breaking virus social distancing guidelines.