PadawanWarrior
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What do you mean top dressing brings bugs? What are you top dressing with? I top dress all the time.
Understanding why Ph is irrelevant with organics
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Chunky Stool
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Usually a blend like down-to-earth 'bio fish'.
It will bring the bugs.
Been there, done that.
PadawanWarrior
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What kinda bugs?Usually a blend like down-to-earth 'bio fish'.
It will bring the bugs.
Been there, done that.
ganga gurl420
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Just my two cents but
The thing is you can grow organically in many mediums but that doesnt mean that you dont have to worry about ph. For instance you can have an organic coco grow but ph is going to matter for sure.
However compost does work as a ph buffer. The more you use the better (for lots of reasons beyond just ph) I dont use dirt but grow in 100%compost and I've never once checked ph of anything and have had zero problems.
If I was however growing in something different and still using organic ferts then yes I would. I just never had any issues so why try to fix something that is not broke.
Point being is not all organic grows are close to the same.
The thing is you can grow organically in many mediums but that doesnt mean that you dont have to worry about ph. For instance you can have an organic coco grow but ph is going to matter for sure.
However compost does work as a ph buffer. The more you use the better (for lots of reasons beyond just ph) I dont use dirt but grow in 100%compost and I've never once checked ph of anything and have had zero problems.
If I was however growing in something different and still using organic ferts then yes I would. I just never had any issues so why try to fix something that is not broke.
Point being is not all organic grows are close to the same.
ganga gurl420
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MEE TOO! top dressing is sooo important and done often on mine. It never brought any bugs to mine either.
TreeFarmerCharlie
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Sounds like you need filters on your intakes and exhaust. Compost attracts bugs so it's important to have fine enough mesh on all intake and exhaust ports to keep them out of the tent. The only time I've found bugs in my tent, has been when a couple of stink bugs found there way in, when I left it open unattended for a long period of time.Usually a blend like down-to-earth 'bio fish'.
It will bring the bugs.
Been there, done that.
Bignutes
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I agree its the difference between mediocre and good results
The most important thing to know before you plant is to ensure your soil's PH is between 6.0 and 7.0 (some say 6.3 - 6.
. When folks say that PH does not matter with soil, they are talking about the water PH. Many argue not to worry about the water PH when growing in soil. And there are others that would say if your water PH is less than 6.0 and more than 7.3, then use PH up/down to keep it in proper range.
But, if you are using non-organic nutrients and growing in soil, you must ensure your water PH is adjusted where the nutrients can be absorbed by the plant. If you are using non-organic nutrients you also have to worry about acidification and salt build up in your soil.
Knowing this little bit of information can save you some troubles.
. When folks say that PH does not matter with soil, they are talking about the water PH. Many argue not to worry about the water PH when growing in soil. And there are others that would say if your water PH is less than 6.0 and more than 7.3, then use PH up/down to keep it in proper range. But, if you are using non-organic nutrients and growing in soil, you must ensure your water PH is adjusted where the nutrients can be absorbed by the plant. If you are using non-organic nutrients you also have to worry about acidification and salt build up in your soil.
Knowing this little bit of information can save you some troubles.
doug mirabelli
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Bought a probe ph/moisture meter to test the soil in my organic pot; the pH was around 7.5. I use hose water with a filter designed for plants. I’m thinking of getting pine bark to help make it slightly more acidic even though they’re growing fine
PadawanWarrior
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Is it the cheap green probe?
doug mirabelli
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Yes. It seems to measure light and moisture well anyway. I also bought cheap ph strips to test the hose water. They’re shipping... I’m just curious. Still think I’m going to get the pine bark bc everyone else cool here has something on their topsoil like hay or bark so I wanna be cool too
PadawanWarrior
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I bought one of those cheap green ones off Amazon and it always read like 7.5. I sent it back right away. I heard they're OK for moisture though.
ComfortCreator
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The only thing that goes through my mind when the organic growers puff out the chest with PH doesnt matter is how many have tried watering their organic grows with a ph of 1 or 14?
Cause im thinking that would be a problem. Which means its a lazy shortcut to saying the soil helps regulate ph. If your grows have not required phing your inputs good for you, but its beyond ignorant to then say it doesnt matter.
Cause im thinking that would be a problem. Which means its a lazy shortcut to saying the soil helps regulate ph. If your grows have not required phing your inputs good for you, but its beyond ignorant to then say it doesnt matter.
ganga gurl420
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How in the world would you get a ph that high or low? If you are just using plain water your not going to get readings like that. Most fluctuations I've seen goes from 5 to 8.... then yes if your using a lot of compost it should buffer it out.
We are almost at an 8 here with most of our well water and I've had zero issues and have never tried to adjust it. Being lazy? No... I just don't believe in fixing something that is not broken.
ComfortCreator
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True. The point isnt to suggest watering at 1 or 14. Its to say ph does matter. If you find it works in your range then yup its cool but what if is doesnt? When you planted those big huge girls did you ever test the soil? Amend it with anything? Ever feed it anything but water? You manipulated the environment to be what you needed. If your native soil was really poor with an out of whack ph, would anything grow? And why not? Thats my point.
The theory of never needing to watch ph works WITHIN the confines of a controlled grow environment. It does not work in any and all situations is my point. And the universal declaration that it doesnt matter is patently false.
ganga gurl420
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Yes ph matters. Of course it does.... and like I said before "organic" is a loose term used by too many.
My native soil has poor drainage so that is the only reason I dont grow directly inground but there is a lot of lime stone here so our water and soil is naturally higher. I only grow in manure and yes I amend it with just premixed bagged nutes. I know my situation isn't everyone's tho. No I've not tested anything because I just read the plants. If I had had problems then yes the ph would have been the first place I looked and adjusted.
However... mine do thrive so like I said I'm not going to fix anything... but I've seen a lot of organic growers have issues for sure.
ComfortCreator
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I am organic, not really for any reason except simplicity. Being green isnt key for me, but I do support the idea in general.
Your girls are amazing. Some of the nicest ive seen. Just so darn big its really annoying to this indoor grower, lol. You make it look easy which Im sure it is not. Your skills are strong, I would go to you for advice in a heartbeat. Keep up the good work.
Curious how you dry and cure the monsters?
Your girls are amazing. Some of the nicest ive seen. Just so darn big its really annoying to this indoor grower, lol. You make it look easy which Im sure it is not. Your skills are strong, I would go to you for advice in a heartbeat. Keep up the good work.
Curious how you dry and cure the monsters?
ganga gurl420
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Thanks that's a huge compliment and trust me
.. I do grow indoors myself and my outdoor pisses me off too lol! Like for real!
I'm a firm believer in the old school method. I run lots of wires...the take off the branches and trim the fan leaves and then hang a few on hangers the place on the wire. So nothing is touching and gets good air flow.
I try to aim for a 10 day to 2 week hang. I find leaving more stem on helps that. For me it's all about the slooowwww dry
DarkWeb
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LOL every time I see yours I think "thank God I don't have to trim that!"Thanks that's a huge compliment and trust me
.. I do grow indoors myself and my outdoor pisses me off too lol! Like for real!
I'm a firm believer in the old school method. I run lots of wires...the take off the branches and trim the fan leaves and then hang a few on hangers the place on the wire. So nothing is touching and gets good air flow.
I try to aim for a 10 day to 2 week hang. I find leaving more stem on helps that. For me it's all about the slooowwww dry
ganga gurl420
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The buds are on the floor because I'm waiting for another bucket of peroxide water. I swish them around in it to get all the pollen and dirt off before I hang. This is the second harvest off the plants. The main colas were already down
