2020 MASSACHUSETTS outdoor grow Thread!

With honesty, I dont use either of those products so I could not tell you, however, if you are going to juice them, remember you want to flush for two to three weeks to purify as much of the plant as you can. Four weeks out will probably be close to my last juice. Also, fish emulsion is, I believe a high nitrogen, at this point of flowering, you really want a higher potassium feed. Im using a 10-52-10, which is pretty high, but thats just me. I would wait for some more advice from like moonman and dunphy, they will probably have some good advice as well. <I do see that the Dr Earth is a higher potassium, Id def recomend that at this stage>
I should have been more specific, I have a liquid fish emulsion called “Morbloom” which contains contains no nitrogen (0-10-10). So with that said, would you go with the top dressing knowing that it takes several weeks to break down or would you recommend going with the Morbloom for one last feed?
 

dunphy

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Hey guys, this is my first outdoor grow and it seems like it’s going well. The buds are starting to swell up pretty nicely but I’m starting to notice a lot dying and yellowing leaves all throughout the plants.

Is this to be expected or do you think it’s a deficiency? I was wondering if I should apply a top dressing later today? The last top dressing I did was 4 weeks ago with Dr. Earth flower girl and then I did a a morbloom/fish emulsion watering about 2 weeks ago. Would it be a good idea to do another top dress today if I’m planning to harvest in 4 weeks? Let me know what you guys think.
This could be genetics, its not uncommon for plants to yellow out at the end, this does seem a bit early, but I wouldnt say its a deficiency just yet, if you had just top dressed 4 weeks ago. What are your watering habits like? Are you getting a lot of run off? Everything else seems okay, and Im of the camp that is more hands off... If it were me, I would hit it with a general compost tea.. Im sure the dr earth would be fine for a tea, if you needed it, the ingredients seem okay, But I would probably just let it ride, and see if things get real bad you can hit it with a soluble tea, otherwise, I believe the top dress you did 4 weeks ago, should be enough in there to take to right to the end, That is as long as your not watering a bunch of run off and leeching out all the nutrients in your pots.

Sorry I cant help you further, I do all my feeding pre season then just one top dress beginning of august, and just a couple teas in between, (no brand names, all home made organic compost and earth worm castings teas--soil mix is made from compost and a bunch of ewc and DTE products though, some of which are in your dr. earth flower girl product.)
 

moonman33

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About how long do you think that takes, MM? For the chlorophyll smell to go away? A few days? Week? And what is your next steps, may I ask? Usually, after a week-ten days, i switch to the attic from the basement, which is cool and has outside vents, I put a fan up, then they go into paper bags. From paper bags they go into the jars for the daily burping stage.... I want to sharpen up my cure process this year. Ive had friends just hang it, then jar it, and it comes out pretty amazing, not sure how that worked.
It seems to depend on how long the smell lasts based on strain and how wet when pulled probably. Some do happen to dry more quickly than others. I will keep things in my basement just because I don't have an attic and I can keep the climate controlled down there. The next step is to trim and jar it. I have found that not putting a lid on the jar for a day or two, then starting the burping cycle, sometimes just leaving it off overnight on some jars if I find they weren't quite ready. After a few weeks of that they usually smell very nice and taste nice too.
 

moonman33

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Thanks for the response. So would you recommend a top feeding of Dr. Earth flower girl or a fish emulsion watering at this point with 4 weeks to go?
I would. Mine aren't yellow because I trimmed the lowest but also because I'm still feeding the hell out of the ladies. It can't hurt this far out at all, especially since your looking at organic solutions. EDIT: PVOG is on point saying don't need nitrogen at this point, but looks like your stuff will be good!
 

Hipster2U

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Leaf spot bad on the Satori's. Lost two of them. Sprayed this morning with liquid copper fungicide.

Jake's Romulan and the Purple Paro Valley bag seed are mostly unaffected.

A few spots of botyritis on the Purple Paro Valley bag seed. Nothing to care much about. Buds are thicker than expected, probably from the unknown dad. Mom gave long, narrow wispy buds, very green, with a strong lavender scent. That one is said to be the green pheno. It was very relaxing and lightly euphoric.001 Leaf Spot.JPG002 Leaf Spot on Satori.JPG003 Satori.JPG004 Purple Paro Valley.JPG005 Purple Paro Valley.JPG
 

moonman33

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Leaf spot bad on the Satori's. Lost two of them. Sprayed this morning with liquid copper fungicide.

Jake's Romulan and the Purple Paro Valley bag seed are mostly unaffected.

A few spots of botyritis on the Purple Paro Valley bag seed. Nothing to care much about. Buds are thicker than expected, probably from the unknown dad. Mom gave long, narrow wispy buds, very green, with a strong lavender scent. That one is said to be the green pheno. It was very relaxing and lightly euphoric.View attachment 4685678View attachment 4685680View attachment 4685683View attachment 4685684View attachment 4685685
Monsters! hopefully your spray works and you can keep the rest of those colas. Gotta be hard to check way up there!
 

dunphy

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Leaf spot bad on the Satori's. Lost two of them. Sprayed this morning with liquid copper fungicide.

Jake's Romulan and the Purple Paro Valley bag seed are mostly unaffected.

A few spots of botyritis on the Purple Paro Valley bag seed. Nothing to care much about. Buds are thicker than expected, probably from the unknown dad. Mom gave long, narrow wispy buds, very green, with a strong lavender scent. That one is said to be the green pheno. It was very relaxing and lightly euphoric.View attachment 4685678View attachment 4685680View attachment 4685683View attachment 4685684View attachment 4685685
Damn, bad hit, Sorry to hear.
 
This could be genetics, its not uncommon for plants to yellow out at the end, this does seem a bit early, but I wouldnt say its a deficiency just yet, if you had just top dressed 4 weeks ago. What are your watering habits like? Are you getting a lot of run off? Everything else seems okay, and Im of the camp that is more hands off... If it were me, I would hit it with a general compost tea.. Im sure the dr earth would be fine for a tea, if you needed it, the ingredients seem okay, But I would probably just let it ride, and see if things get real bad you can hit it with a soluble tea, otherwise, I believe the top dress you did 4 weeks ago, should be enough in there to take to right to the end, That is as long as your not watering a bunch of run off and leeching out all the nutrients in your pots.

Sorry I cant help you further, I do all my feeding pre season then just one top dress beginning of august, and just a couple teas in between, (no brand names, all home made organic compost and earth worm castings teas--soil mix is made from compost and a bunch of ewc and DTE products though, some of which are in your dr. earth flower girl product.)
These plants are all in 5 and 7 gallon fabric pots so they tend to dry out faster. During heat waves, I would water them everyday. I still water them everyday after work just to make sure the soil doesn’t dry out.

When I water, I tend to water generously till I get a good amount of runoff. It seems like the water soaks the soil and it absorbs pretty quickly without flooding over the sides of the the pot. I usually count to 30 seconds when I’m watering, so I’m thinking they get around 1-1.5 gallons each time I water them.

For the most part, the plants in the fabric pot feel pretty light when I get home from work so I’m pretty sure that their roots aren’t drowning. I will check tonight and see how dry the soil feels when I get home tonight and report back.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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I should have been more specific, I have a liquid fish emulsion called “Morbloom” which contains contains no nitrogen (0-10-10). So with that said, would you go with the top dressing knowing that it takes several weeks to break down or would you recommend going with the Morbloom for one last feed?
This could be genetics, its not uncommon for plants to yellow out at the end, this does seem a bit early, but I wouldnt say its a deficiency just yet, if you had just top dressed 4 weeks ago. What are your watering habits like? Are you getting a lot of run off? Everything else seems okay, and Im of the camp that is more hands off... If it were me, I would hit it with a general compost tea.. Im sure the dr earth would be fine for a tea, if you needed it, the ingredients seem okay, But I would probably just let it ride, and see if things get real bad you can hit it with a soluble tea, otherwise, I believe the top dress you did 4 weeks ago, should be enough in there to take to right to the end, That is as long as your not watering a bunch of run off and leeching out all the nutrients in your pots.

Sorry I cant help you further, I do all my feeding pre season then just one top dress beginning of august, and just a couple teas in between, (no brand names, all home made organic compost and earth worm castings teas--soil mix is made from compost and a bunch of ewc and DTE products though, some of which are in your dr. earth flower girl product.)
I find this interesting, we shall have to discuss this further as I am interested, always interested in organic nutes, as I always have a plan when it comes to having to or by choice, living 'off the grid' so to speak. Am very interested, perhaps you'll have to start a MA organic compost thread. Especially interested in local plants that may be used for composting/nutrients.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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I should have been more specific, I have a liquid fish emulsion called “Morbloom” which contains contains no nitrogen (0-10-10). So with that said, would you go with the top dressing knowing that it takes several weeks to break down or would you recommend going with the Morbloom for one last feed?
Looks like a coin toss with the top dressing, Yeti. If you feel you've weeks to go and are able to flush effectively in time, then do so. However , perhaps the answer is to use the mother Earth, and not worry about overdoing it, that could be the answer. Remember, we have a stage coming up where the flowers are going to swell like crazy and maybe even double reaching out for that male pollen in one last desperate attempt. So that should give you something to look forward to, hope you got a plan to keep your branches from breaking and to support them..
You're gonna do great.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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TOO LATE TO BEND MY PLANTS OVER A LITTLE.BIT?
Anyone have any advice about tieing my plants down at this stage? Am worried about stalk breakage, is it worth the effort?
 

mattypacks

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Everything looks to be coming in OK in the garden. A few plants really yellowing early which happened really fast over the course of a week or 2. I'm almost sure that my soil mix was a little too light for the long season but it could also be due to the widespread stalk damage. Been feeding nute tea every other watering which slowed it down a bit.
Strawberry Cough on the right yellowing top down but she was always doing weird things from the jump, and the plant on the left bottom up, so generally I'm assuming being underfed is the issue. I should have fed more aggressively towards and through transition, all a learning experience!
Its funny, the OG in the middle got absolutely ravaged by borers early in the season and is probably the healthiest in the garden.
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Besides the yellowing I've seen very little PM which was removed and havent seen anymore since. I've only seen one budworm in the leaves of a plant that didnt get hit with the BT like the rest of the girls. Those every 3 day BT sprays, dynatrap, and parasitic wasps must be doing their job :). Havent found anymore seeds in the last week which im very thankful for. I did notice a little spider mite infestation showing up on a few of them. Pretty weird timing for that, but ill go ahead and squish what I can and let the predators take care of the rest.
White Widows the most behind in the garden. Its going to be a fight trying to get her to finish if its even possible.
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dunphy

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These plants are all in 5 and 7 gallon fabric pots so they tend to dry out faster. During heat waves, I would water them everyday. I still water them everyday after work just to make sure the soil doesn’t dry out.

When I water, I tend to water generously till I get a good amount of runoff. It seems like the water soaks the soil and it absorbs pretty quickly without flooding over the sides of the the pot. I usually count to 30 seconds when I’m watering, so I’m thinking they get around 1-1.5 gallons each time I water them.

For the most part, the plants in the fabric pot feel pretty light when I get home from work so I’m pretty sure that their roots aren’t drowning. I will check tonight and see how dry the soil feels when I get home tonight and report back.
Hmm Yeah I thought those were bigger than 5 to 7 gal. pots, and if you are getting any run off, your basically leeching out nutrients from the soil, Those plants are big for those pots it looks like (from what I remember, theyre on a different page in this thread now.. but iirc) so they very well could be hungry for something.

I dont think either way would cause much damage, you doing nothing or feeding them one more time before they get chopped. Sorry brother wish I could help.
 

matty-berk

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Correct.

The reason you see me and others post this picture along with others is to show you how much actual size which equals weight and surface area for more trichomes. Any time you leave those white hairs... every 2 of them is giving up another bit of weight, multiply that over tens of thousands and its very significant. Also, your sacrificing everything from potency, to smell and taste when those calyces are not developed fully.

The key to harvesting is taking the buds that have had almost all the calyx swell up... That way you know your maximizing weight/active compounds/terpenes, flavonoids(smell/taste), etc. .... Now theres a point when they will deteriorate and very rarely some strains will throw out new hairs but you dont want to sacrifice 99% of your plant waiting for a couple (literally... like a couple/2... on a whole cola) of white hairs/calyces to swell up, and let the rest of the cola get ruined... Then its finding a balance over the whole plant if you're chopping all at once if you're not harvesting only whats ripe.

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This size difference really adds up... Ive had these go from the size of a sesame seed then swell up to be bigger than an m&m... and thats just for 2 hairs... Imagine the size, density and weight that adds up to when you figure you have tens of thousands of trichome covered m&m's everywhere...

and again the smells tastes and psychoactive compounds will not have been developed, at least no where near their potential.




Also, take a look at the comparison between these...
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Check out the overall size difference between these... you can tell once cut and dry, one would be nice normal dense nuggets, and one would fall apart in your hands and be airy grass smelling shit that doesnt get you high...

Learn to find that balance and you'll know when to harvest, the only way I describe it is just an overall swollen, "plump" look to her.
Good luck my friend. :peace:

hey thanks again for taking the time out to explain it better. i think i get it better now. lol one of my biggest fears is messing all this hard work up in the very end.
 

Boatguy

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my biggest ones are in the ground and theyre buds are a little bigger than thummb nail size. my indicas are looking amazing with buds right now though. im just confused as well with does the whole cola have to have red hairs? i have one plant that the top is all red hairs bit like a inch down the hairs are still white, so that means its not ready?
Short answer is yes, they are not ready.
If you are planning on chopping the whole plant at once, not done. If you are planning on doing a staged harvest, you could take them as they ripen and dry each individually.... Kind of a pain in the ass.
I take mine when the majority are red, but the lower larf is still white. Im on the coast of MA and consider myself lucky any time one of my outdoor plants doesnt get cut early due to crap weather, pm, pests or anything else. My outdoor fails have been far more numerous than the successes
 

PioneerValleyOG

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Everything looks to be coming in OK in the garden. A few plants really yellowing early which happened really fast over the course of a week or 2. I'm almost sure that my soil mix was a little too light for the long season but it could also be due to the widespread stalk damage. Been feeding nute tea every other watering which slowed it down a bit.
Strawberry Cough on the right yellowing top down but she was always doing weird things from the jump, and the plant on the left bottom up, so generally I'm assuming being underfed is the issue. I should have fed more aggressively towards and through transition, all a learning experience!
Its funny, the OG in the middle got absolutely ravaged by borers early in the season and is probably the healthiest in the garden.
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Besides the yellowing I've seen very little PM which was removed and havent seen anymore since. I've only seen one budworm in the leaves of a plant that didnt get hit with the BT like the rest of the girls. Those every 3 day BT sprays, dynatrap, and parasitic wasps must be doing their job :). Havent found anymore seeds in the last week which im very thankful for. I did notice a little spider mite infestation showing up on a few of them. Pretty weird timing for that, but ill go ahead and squish what I can and let the predators take care of the rest.
White Widows the most behind in the garden. Its going to be a fight trying to get her to finish if its even possible.
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Ya, I remember fighting those borers last year on one of my consultant grows. We had to take a piece of copper wire, thick, and go in the holes to kill them, then injected with a syringe, type fat, By into the holes, and we battled them 3 days straight until we got every one. The sawdust at the entry point was the giveaway, and they would have decimated the crop if we weren't right on top of it .glad you were able to get it under control. Just when we were sure we had them all, a few more popped up. Turned out the eggs were in the soil. Sprayed the top of the soil and problem solved.
 

doug mirabelli

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Came home from work today to see that someone had a fattening organic meal last night because she’s put on some weight over night. Pic doesn’t really show but she was the leaning tower of cannabis when I got home. I fastenten three lines of 40 pound test fishing line to reduce the strain on her. What a job that was..trying to manipulate fishin line when it feels like my hands are covered in an Elmer’s glue stick. Hoping they aren’t too closely stacked together now. Can’t wait for this to be over.
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Warfox

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Correct.

The reason you see me and others post this picture along with others is to show you how much actual size which equals weight and surface area for more trichomes. Any time you leave those white hairs... every 2 of them is giving up another bit of weight, multiply that over tens of thousands and its very significant. Also, your sacrificing everything from potency, to smell and taste when those calyces are not developed fully.

The key to harvesting is taking the buds that have had almost all the calyx swell up... That way you know your maximizing weight/active compounds/terpenes, flavonoids(smell/taste), etc. .... Now theres a point when they will deteriorate and very rarely some strains will throw out new hairs but you dont want to sacrifice 99% of your plant waiting for a couple (literally... like a couple/2... on a whole cola) of white hairs/calyces to swell up, and let the rest of the cola get ruined... Then its finding a balance over the whole plant if you're chopping all at once if you're not harvesting only whats ripe.

View attachment 4685624

This size difference really adds up... Ive had these go from the size of a sesame seed then swell up to be bigger than an m&m... and thats just for 2 hairs... Imagine the size, density and weight that adds up to when you figure you have tens of thousands of trichome covered m&m's everywhere...

and again the smells tastes and psychoactive compounds will not have been developed, at least no where near their potential.




Also, take a look at the comparison between these...
View attachment 4685629
Check out the overall size difference between these... you can tell once cut and dry, one would be nice normal dense nuggets, and one would fall apart in your hands and be airy grass smelling shit that doesnt get you high...

Learn to find that balance and you'll know when to harvest, the only way I describe it is just an overall swollen, "plump" look to her.
Good luck my friend. :peace: :joint:
Damn good post man!
 

Warfox

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Chopped half of my early SFV at 9 weeks to the day believe it or not; obviously she could go another 2 weeks, and I will try to let her lower half do just that, but the bud-rot was getting too bad up top.

Because of the rot I ended up doing a rough wet-trim, and will dry in brown paper grocery bags. Not ideal, but it works pretty well. Obviously not as ideal as slow-drying on the branch, which is what I plan to do for rest of my plants.

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A quick-dry sample I took two weeks ago of this got me higher than giraffes pussy, so curious to see how she does now.
 
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