You be the judge!!

[HappelWood]

aha, right, definetly missunderstood.

I don't see why almost any nutrient wouldn't work. The difference is just squeezing that extra bit out anyways. As long as the plant isn't showing signs of deficiency, sounds like it's working to me.

except with CO2. I see numbers like "25%" more with CO2 and it makes me wonder what i can do in my 2'x2's with CO2 pumping in it...

 

[gogrow]

Wow, i didn't realize how behind my plant was comparatively. I'm a terrible guesstamator, i seriously thought your plant was more along lovetotokes plant which i think he said yesturday or the day before that it was 15".

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it was real close to his when we started... but i have still been feeding veg nutes... that is what i attribute the dramatic growth to... it has doubled in height in only a week... not feeding them lightly either... pushing it almost up to the point of burning it...... i've learned alot from some of the more experienced growers here.....

 

[gogrow]

aha, right, definetly missunderstood.

I don't see why almost any nutrient wouldn't work. The difference is just squeezing that extra bit out anyways. As long as the plant isn't showing signs of deficiency, sounds like it's working to me.

except with CO2. I see numbers like "25%" more with CO2 and it makes me wonder what i can do in my 2'x2's with CO2 pumping in it...

it will... the only reasoning behind all of the expensive nutes and accessories are the marketing, advertising, and hype.... but you hydro guys have to get a little picky... cant just use anything... but us soil people can use hydro nutes; i proved that on my first grow... started in a bubbleponics setup, hated it, and transplanted them to dirt.. still used the nutes i had though...
CO2... that is still way beyond me... as long as they get fresh air from outside, i doubt i will ever use supplemental co2... like hydro, its too much extra stuff for me to worry about...

 

[HappelWood]

That is crazy. Your rate of growth is about the same as mine and i'm in hydro.

mine went through it's first 12 hours of dark at 10pm october 27th and was 6.5" tall. Today: 12". I'm going to be pushing the ppm's back up since my big plant doesn't really seem to be showing anymore new damage. Plus, on the top of my entire garden the leaves are more yellow than the bottom so i'm thinking i need to crank up the nutes anways.

 

[gogrow]

That is crazy. Your rate of growth is about the same as mine and i'm in hydro.

thats cause im pushin the nutes... doin it the fdd way... he trys to teach people, but most want to do it their own way....

mine went through it's first 12 hours of dark at 10pm october 27th and was 6.5" tall. Today: 12". I'm going to be pushing the ppm's back up since my big plant doesn't really seem to be showing anymore new damage. Plus, on the top of my entire garden the leaves are more yellow than the bottom so i'm thinking i need to crank up the nutes anways.

just be carefull about pushin all of the nutes up... look up "immobile nutrients"...

 

[HappelWood]

Thats pretty interesting actually. Does everyone know this? Seems like it should be talked about more, especialy since P and K are immobile (i found two sources that say they are, and wiki says they are mobile, but i like my other two sources better).

I don't think hydro cares about immobile or mobile nutrients though. It's all water soluble. An advantage even.

http://www.alaskafb.org/~akaitc/alaskaAITC/pdf/9_12/chemistry_soil.pdf
Handbook of Soil Science - Google Book Search

 

[gogrow]

Thats pretty interesting actually. Does everyone know this? Seems like it should be talked about more, especialy since P and K are immobile (i found two sources that say they are, and wiki says they are mobile, but i like my other two sources better).

I don't think hydro cares about immobile or mobile nutrients though. It's all water soluble. An advantage even.

http://www.alaskafb.org/~akaitc/alaskaAITC/pdf/9_12/chemistry_soil.pdf
Handbook of Soil Science - Google Book Search

it cares.... hydro doesnt change the plants biology, just the medium in which the roots get their nourishment.... mobile nutrients, such as N... the plant can pull from other parts of the plant as needed if not present in enough quantities in (your case) the solution.... immobile nutrients stay where they are in the plant and must be derived from the nute solution to get any to new growth areas.... hope that helps you out.... hydro isnt THAT much different than soil; as i said, you cant change the plants biology...

 

[HappelWood]

I'm seeing two definitions of mobile/immobile nutrients. The wiki article i looked at talks about the nutrients moving around inside plant. Those two links i sent talk about nutrients moving from the soil to the roots to the plant.

I didn't like the wiki source as much as the other two, so i went by the other two.

Those two articles say the issue is the fact that immobile nutriets bind to soil and don't move around as easily. This means for the plant to get nutrients like P and K you would have to make sure P and K elements were near the roots because watering the soil won't move P and K around.. Mobile nutrients don't bind to soil, so when you water the plant nutrients like N mix around in the pot.

In hydro, it's all just one big swimming pool of mixing around crap. The immobile nutrients don't bind to anything, and freefloat everywhere, just like mobile nutrients, makign immobile nutrients just as mobile as mobile nutrients.

 

[HappelWood]

"Effect of Nutrient Mobility on Symptom Development

The interaction between nutrient mobility in the plant, and plant growth rate can be a major factor influencing the type and location of deficiency symptoms that develop. For very mobile nutrients such as nitrogen and potassium, deficiency symptoms develop predominantly in the older and mature leaves. This is a result of these nutrients being preferentially mobilized during times of nutrient stress from the older leaves to the newer leaves near the growing regions of the plant. Additionally, mobile nutrients newly acquired by the roots are also preferentially translocated to new leaves and the growing regions. Thus old and mature leaves are depleted of mobile nutrients during times of stress while the new leaves are maintained at a more favorable nutrient status.
The typical localization of deficiency symptoms of very weakly mobile nutrients such as calcium, boron, and iron is the opposite to that of the mobile nutrients; these deficiency symptoms are first displayed in the growing regions and new leaves while the old leaves remain in a favorable nutrient status. (This assumes that these plants started with sufficient nutrient, but ran out of nutrient as they developed). In plants growing very slowly for reasons other than nutrition (such as low light) a normally limiting supply of a nutrient could, under these conditions, be sufficient for the plant to slowly develop, maybe even without symptoms. This type of development is likely to occur in the case of weakly mobile nutrients because excess nutrients in the older leaves will eventually be mobilized to supply newly developing tissues. In contrast, a plant with a similar supply that is growing rapidly will develop severe deficiencies in the actively growing tissue such as leaf edges and the growing region of the plant. A classic example of this is calcium deficiency in vegetables such as lettuce where symptoms develop on the leaf margins (tip burn) and the growing region near the meristems. The maximal growth rate of lettuce is often limited by the internal translocation rate of calcium to the growing tissue rather than from a limited nutrient supply in the soil.
When moderately mobile nutrients such as sulfur and magnesium are the limiting nutrients of the system, deficiency symptoms are normally seen over the entire plant. However the growth rate and rate of nutrient availability can make a considerable difference on the locations at which the symptoms develop. If the nutrient supply is marginal compared to the growth rate, symptoms will appear on the older tissue, but if the nutrient supply is very low compared to the growth rate, or the nutrient is totally depleted, the younger tissue will become deficient first. "

I guess there are two different uses for mobile and immobile. And yea, hydro won't help the above type of mobility issues, but sounds like it will help the other.

Plant Physiology Online: Symptoms of Deficiency In Essential Minerals

 

[fdd2blk]

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[gogrow]

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was that your way of saying "subscribed"??? or were you guessing someone's weight?? i confused

 

[lovetotoke]

son of a , i want whitewidow/jack herer cros......i used to know a guy who grew jack herer, thats where i developed my love for sativas.

its funny that you say that cause while on my trip to vancouver one of my buddies who grows had some jack herer white widow cross. so chronic. i loved it

 

[HappelWood]

just thought i share this pic today cause i'm all newbie and like seeing teh hairs grow. Off my bigger plant which has taken damage very very slowly, but stll slowly being hurt. The leaves are very soft and healthy feeling, just not looking. I went to bed early last night and forgot to fill the tank up with water and the ppm's got to 854. Somewhere just above 800 they start taking nute burn i think...sooooo, woops.


This is a branch coming from the very bottom of the plant. Like, first node. I'd easily say this is my best branch, surpassing the main cola, which is even behind another one of my side branches. A total of 3 side branches look farher along than my stem...wtf is up with that?


last night the damage jumped, this is the worst of it.

Nothing to report on my clone. It has the tiniest sign of damage. Hard to notice unless you look very very close. Trimmed the very bottom 2ndary growth, so the bottom 1/4 of my plant is bare. Characteristic of singe cola builds. Growth has seemed to be slow yesturday and so far today. Started using big bloom today too. Hoping that will clean up the differences in color i'm seeing amongst foliage.

 

[HappelWood]

damage got worse, spread to my clone. I'm being told that it's been a magnesium deficiency all along. I'm working on fixing it now, hopefully tomorrow will be a better day...

 

[gogrow]

heres some pics from today... i think most of the stretching is done... she is at 21 1/2 inches... so a 10in stretch from when i induced flowering.... starting to look like buds a little.... cant wait; i am highly pleased with my cross... enjoy my lack of camera skills

 

[HappelWood]

looking good. Budding nice and sexy.

Been a little rough these few days. All of my plants have frozen around 12-12.5" since thursday. They are upset...and i guess that damage i had a long time ago with one of my other plants was a mag deficiency, which has been kicking all the way till now, which is pretty cool...

 

[gogrow]

looking good. Budding nice and sexy.

Been a little rough these few days. All of my plants have frozen around 12-12.5" since thursday. They are upset...and i guess that damage i had a long time ago with one of my other plants was a mag deficiency, which has been kicking all the way till now, which is pretty cool...

not ready to go soil yet

 

[HappelWood]

lol, nah man, this is called learning. And nutrient companies should really put the shit their nutrients lack on the side somewhere, so people know what they need to make up. I sure hate learning the hard way though... You wait, next week is gonna be a different story.

 

[gogrow]

lol, nah man, this is called learning. And nutrient companies should really put the shit their nutrients lack on the side somewhere, so people know what they need to make up. I sure hate learning the hard way though... You wait, next week is gonna be a different story.

i agree with you about the learning.... i just didnt want to have to ruin my first grow learning how that damn hydro works... so i backed out... but just be known... even if you get pro with it, im still gonna mess with ya
all in jest though.... i hope you get it all worked out though... look up "filthyfletch" on here, he's a hydro guy i trust... im sure he can help you out when you hit speedbumps..

 

[HappelWood]

some people are hydro, some are soil. It's just preference. The idea if transplanting from pot to pot terrifies me...

hopefully this is gonna be the smallest grow i do. Next time i'm gonna move up to 16 plants. Then i'm gonna keep adding till i get 64. Thats when i'll be pro at producing the dro! But until then, i hope my little aerogarden works...i'll have to pm filthyfletch next time shit hits the fan.

good news though, 5 out of 5 of my clones in my other aerogarden have rooted, two of them being my cronic seed from a friend thats been flowering for a while with my other plants. I had topped it awhile ago, so i got to steal 2 clones at once and threw them into my other garden. It's showing female flowers. pretty happy about that shit. I've yet to plant a male...thats survived.