Nashville Tennessee RV terrorist attack.

[DIY-HP-LED]

They refuse to call this nut job what he was, A SUICIDE BOMBER TERRORIST.

A terrorist has a political motive, they are still trying to determine what the motive is. He was a suicide bomber, but he appeared to have long term mental issues and there are reports of a cancer diagnoses. He could have blown himself up at a remote location though and not in the middle of downtown. They might discern he was nuts about 5G cellphone service and I suppose that would make it political and an act of terrorism. In any case blowing himself up with a bomb in the middle of a city, even with warning people, was a shitty idea to say the least.

I dunno if someone like this even registers to vote, much less votes, if he had a cancer diagnoses for the past few months he had larger concerns than politics. He barely had the psychological resources to maintain the semblance of a normal life and lived with his parents until they passed away. He could not form or maintain social relationships and was paranoid about home security and perhaps other issues. We will soon find out anything worth knowing about him and if he was a Trumper or some other rightwing nut job with an agenda.

 

[captainmorgan]

When you're white you get the benefit of doubt. When someone intentionally blows themselves up to destroy something they do not own, I would think that is the definition of Terrorist Suicide Bomber.

 

[Fogdog]

A terrorist has a political motive, they are still trying to determine what the motive is. He was a suicide bomber, but he appeared to have long term mental issues and there are reports of a cancer diagnoses. He could have blown himself up at a remote location though and not in the middle of downtown. They might discern he was nuts about 5G cellphone service and I suppose that would make it political and an act of terrorism. In any case blowing himself up with a bomb in the middle of a city, even with warning people, was a shitty idea to say the least.

I dunno if someone like this even registers to vote, much less votes, if he had a cancer diagnoses for the past few months he had larger concerns than politics. He barely had the psychological resources to maintain the semblance of a normal life and lived with his parents until they passed away. He could not form or maintain social relationships and was paranoid about home security and perhaps other issues. We will soon find out anything worth knowing about him and if he was a Trumper or some other rightwing nut job with an agenda.

it was a terrorist attack. I don't know what other kind of attack you can call it.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

it was a terrorist attack. I don't know what other kind of attack you can call it.

I was just explaining why LEO and the media is reluctant to call it that at this point, terrorism is defined by motive. They are still unclear as to the motive, if he left a manifesto or a rant on social media, it would be easier to pin it down. It was a deliberate act of mass destruction and suicide at this point, but I suppose this is just an exercise in semantics. The FBI will define and categorize it for us soon enough, an act of mental illness or one of terrorism.

 

[Fogdog]

I was just explaining why LEO and the media is reluctant to call it that at this point, terrorism is defined by motive. They are still unclear as to the motive, if he left a manifesto or a rant on social media, it would be easier to pin it down. It was a deliberate act of mass destruction and suicide at this point, but I suppose this is just an exercise in semantics. The FBI will define and categorize it for us soon enough, an act of mental illness or one of terrorism.

If the guy were Black or Hispanic or Asian or Muslim, they would call it a terrorist attack and call for closing the border and mass arrests, demanding any dark skinned person who knew him to be arrested too. It was an old white guy so they say we should withhold judgement and @PadawanWarrior gets all teary eyed about mental health and suicide.

The guy used his RV as a bomb in downtown Nashville on Christmas day.

It was an act of terrorism.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

If the guy were Black or Hispanic or Asian or Muslim, they would call it a terrorist attack and call for closing the border and mass arrests, demanding any dark skinned person who knew him to be arrested too. It was an old white guy so they say we should withhold judgement and @PadawanWarrior gets all teary eyed about mental health and suicide.

The guy used his RV as a bomb in downtown Nashville on Christmas day.

It was an act of terrorism.

And he totally fucked up a good Petula Clark song. Now all we have is Mrs. Miller's version.

 

[Fogdog]

And he totally fucked up a good Petula Clark song. Now all we have is Mrs. Miller's version.

uck. I can't unhear that. Damn you.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

uck. I can't unhear that. Damn you.

Seriously? She was, and is, far ahead of her time. Even this year, 23 years after her untimely death at 86 years old, interest in Alva Miller is so high (being high helps a lot) that an entire Christmas album was released.

 

[Boatguy]

The guy used his RV as a bomb in downtown Nashville on Christmas day.

I bet he is the patsy, dead before the explosion. Someone else wanted at&t down while businesses were closed for some sort of robbery or other shenanigans.

 

[Fogdog]

I bet he is the patsy, dead before the explosion. Someone else wanted at&t down while businesses were closed for some sort of robbery or other shenanigans.

Yeah, just like I saw on The Blacklist.

 

[Fogdog]

Seriously? She was, and is, far ahead of her time. Even this year, 23 years after her untimely death at 86 years old, interest in Alva Miller is so high (being high helps a lot) that an entire Christmas album was released.

never been that high. don't want to.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

If the guy were Black or Hispanic or Asian or Muslim, they would call it a terrorist attack and call for closing the border and mass arrests, demanding any dark skinned person who knew him to be arrested too. It was an old white guy so they say we should withhold judgement and @PadawanWarrior gets all teary eyed about mental health and suicide.

The guy used his RV as a bomb in downtown Nashville on Christmas day.

It was an act of terrorism.

I'll be the last guy to argue with ya that's there's no bias in such matters, if the guy's name was Mohamad it might be different! Calling something a terrorist act is a technical issue for the FBI though and they have a fairly tight definition of it. It has to be political or social in motivation, if he was a 5G cellphone nut, it would be terrorism. Everybody who sets off a bomb is not necessarily a terrorist and the same thing goes for a mass shooter who is just pissed off at the world in general. The motive determines the definition, intention is everything in these matters, though the lines are blurry IMHO.

It's more about where they end up in the FBI database, what pigeon hole, terrorism indicates a larger problem with multiple actors sharing an ideology, even with lone wolves radicalized online. Dylan Roof was without a doubt a terrorist, but Kylie Rittenhouse was perhaps a common murder? Both were radicalized online, backed up by the domestic disinformation network, both were on a mission of some kind.

 

[captainmorgan]

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Yeah, just like I saw on The Blacklist.

Ocean's Fifteen.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

never been that high. don't want to.

It takes a certain type. I suffer from it with great joy. The same kind of joy that makes me love Shatner albums.

 

[mysunnyboy]

@Unclebaldrick

 

[Fogdog]

I'll be the last guy to argue with ya that's there's no bias in such matters, if the guy's name was Mohamad it might be different! Calling something a terrorist act is a technical issue for the FBI though and they have a fairly tight definition of it. It has to be political or social in motivation, if he was a 5G cellphone nut, it would be terrorism. Everybody who sets off a bomb is not necessarily a terrorist and the same thing goes for a mass shooter who is just pissed off at the world in general. The motive determines the definition, intention is everything in these matters, though the lines are blurry IMHO.

It's more about where they end up in the FBI database, what pigeon hole, terrorism indicates a larger problem with multiple actors sharing an ideology, even with lone wolves radicalized online. Dylan Roof was without a doubt a terrorist, but Kylie Rittenhouse was perhaps a common murder? Both were radicalized online, backed up by the domestic disinformation network, both were on a mission of some kind.

There are many more vulnerable and accessible targets than the street-facing front of an ATT building. The public display, in an area that is economically and socially important to the people of TN, to makes it an act of terrorism.

It wasn't the only place he could have set off his bomb to give ATT the difficulties that it did. It was in a public space where other buildings were damaged and people were very nearly killed or injured by the blast. My opinion on this doesn't really matter, the FBI will do what it does. But, nope, to me it was an act of terror. It would be acclaimed as such by those on the right if the perp had been Black.

I never said Kyle was a terrorist. The people who recruited, trained, drove Kyle to the scene and set him loose are terrorists. They knew what he was planning to do.

 

[Fogdog]

It takes a certain type. I suffer from it with great joy. The same kind of joy that makes me love Shatner albums.

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee:

fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

There are many more vulnerable and accessible targets than the street-facing front of an ATT building. The public display, in an area that is economically and socially important to the people of TN, to makes it an act of terrorism.

It wasn't the only place he could have set off his bomb to give ATT the difficulties that it did. It was in a public space where other buildings were damaged and people were very nearly killed or injured by the blast. My opinion on this doesn't really matter, the FBI will do what it does. But, nope, to me it was an act of terror. It would be acclaimed as such by those on the right if the perp had been Black.

I never said Kyle was a terrorist. The people who recruited, trained, drove Kyle to the scene and set him loose are terrorists. They knew what he was planning to do.

The captain posted the FBI definition, they seem to employ some politically motivated pretzel logic to avoid calling racist terrorist acts, antiabortion violence etc acts of terrorism, they appear to call it extremist violence. I think the document needs a rewrite and some simplification myself. This document has republican political finger prints all over it.

 

[mysunnyboy]

Technicality Scmality, he terrorized knowingly, he’s a terrorist.