Defoliation the first few leafs

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harrythehat

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Welcome to any newcomers.
To let you know where we are there's two sides in snipers alley the bitchin side or the side that thinks the plants don't look do bad considering.
Join whichever side you like all are welcome or just kick back an chill you can always take bets on who's going to have to bite there words.

Anyway did a Nutrient change to a soft water formula and just one part far easier for numb nutz and intelligencia too boot.
Base water PH 7.5
Left tank pH 6.33 E.C 1.6/1.8
Right tank pH 7.38 E.C 1.8
PH could change overnite on left tank as pH down was only added a few hours ago
Left tank won't be PHd

Happy growing all
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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Something doesn't tally?
I'm using soft water ionic with a water ph of 7.2, my mixed nutrient of 1.2ec measures 6.4/5 ph, iirc at 1.8ec it was 6.2ph

I can't understand how ionic lowers my ph so significantly and your ph so little???
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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harrythehat said:
Which shows (yawn) I can run @ 4.0 PH without a problem
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yawn. run one at pH of 9 was what I said. cannabis loves acidic nutes, not basic.

and you still haven't shown a seedling running at 2+EC (actually you did; those are the ones with the tip burn that you removed so nobody would see that). who cares if a full grown vegging plant can run that high. yawn.

keep moving those goalposts, Hairy.
 
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harrythehat

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rkymtnman said:
yawn. run one at pH of 9 was what I said. cannabis loves acidic nutes, not basic.

and you still haven't shown a seedling running at 2+EC (actually you did; those are the ones with the tip burn that you removed so nobody would see that). who cares if a full grown vegging plant can run that high. yawn.

keep moving those goalposts, Hairy.
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M8 they started of @2.0 for 26 days in the beginning when the roots got broiled. Read the journal. And none were taken out
And if you think I am going to buy and use PH up just to show you a point
You have another thing coming
The reason it was allowed to go so low is that I have not used meters for years EC or PH
So when it went to 3.96 it would have done it in the past so I was not worried
Would like to thank the guys who talked me into getting one.
Which by mistake has proven it can run PH 4 .
To which I have no doubts it can handle going the other way.
Why would I think that?
Because it has previously been written PH has a range of 4./9.0
. Simples.
THANKS GUYS!!
 
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harrythehat

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Star Dog said:
Something doesn't tally?
I'm using soft water ionic with a water ph of 7.2, my mixed nutrient of 1.2ec measures 6.4/5 ph, iirc at 1.8ec it was 6.2ph

I can't understand how ionic lowers my ph so significantly and your ph so little???
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My water base was 7.5
EC 1.6/1.8
pH 6.35
My working out give it 0.15 difference between us
So it's not that much difference in PH
There's no acid in soft water formula the .3 difference at the start is probably why our .15 difference in the end

Mind there was still a litre or so of the old nutrient in the tank
That could make a point or so
 
yummy fur

yummy fur

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harrythehat said:
Welcome to any newcomers.
To let you know where we are there's two sides in snipers alley the bitchin side or the side that thinks the plants don't look do bad considering.
Join whichever side you like all are welcome or just kick back an chill you can always take bets on who's going to have to bite there words.
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I haven't read the thread just the first page, but I pretty well know what it's going to say. From what I have read, generally you are correct but there is room for nuance. I grow auto these days and for me it's horses for course, I'm growing a blackberry kush auto (not the one in the photos below) whose first leaves were so broad and strong that I could tuck them completely away and they could not force their was back up, which usually happens. I try to not cut those types of leaves off if I can help it. Letting more light in, in my experience does tend to allow the lower branches to grow. I tend to wonder not about the photosynthesis the the leaves are now not doing but I wonder how it affects the plant regarding it's hormones and other signalling chemicals, this is something that I have no idea about.

I think the bottom line in this case is 'suck it and see'. However it appears you are cloning photoperiods so that changes stuff. You should do what ever makes you happy, if you make a mistake it will not be a disaster. The two blackberry kush in the same pot were topped at different stages, one at the 3rd node and one at the 2nd node. I wanted 10 main branches but I didn't want them on one plant. In the meantime I saw the difference in growth rate between the two. The third node is obviously better. But then I'd still top at the second node if I wanted to say put three plants in the same pot.
 

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Tried autos but find there an unruly bunch
Do what they want when they want and don't really suit having a lot of plants on the same system because of this.
Caused a messed up harvest with 40 on the system all same variety but because of there traits it gave a 5/6 week harvesting period could not add pk13/14 to finish
Had some 6 foot others 12 inches
Defo a no no on multiple system.
Great for having a lot of different types going at the same time
Other downside is too many light hours and leccy wastage.
That is the main taboo to me Leccy.
Oh yes and they do alright on 12/12 as well, which is good to kick stubborn ones into flower

Current grow
Yes they've had a bashing and all self induced to which fully admit but with mitigating circumstances
Being bipolar can be a bitch As an attack caused missing a trick of changeover from winter to summer get big temp fluctuations here.
Causing a massive increase on veg time
Unfortunately the Hyenas on here won't allow anybody to make mistakes.
They like to slaughter there lambs. Oh and quickly if they can with cackles of laughter.

But to an old git like me. Who has withstood far worse abuse it's like water of a ducks back.

What you will see over the next few weeks is a quelling (what a wonderful word) quelling of the verbal diorreaha (spelling sometimes is rubbish btw)
What it will be is the hyenas will be making a meal of those words they spouted with so much venom.
Hope they don't choke too much as I am a very forgiving guy and able to forget what has been and move forward. Bipolar is great for that as well but get on my wrong side can be an obstinate bitch nah I don't go away.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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hey sweetie, i'm just using the words you used. you made the claims and aren't able to back them up.

not surprising from a guy that thinks NTT is not NFT>
 
Billy the Mountain

Billy the Mountain

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harrythehat said:
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So when it went to 3.96 it would have done it in the past so I was not worried
Would like to thank the guys who talked me into getting one.
Which by mistake has proven it can run PH 4 .
To which I have no doubts it can handle going the other way.
Why would I think that?
Because it has previously been written PH has a range of 4./9.0
. Simples.
THANKS GUYS!!
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That's completely wrong and contradictory to established horticultural science.
pH should always be in the 5.5-6.5 range with hydro

Science is real
 
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harrythehat

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rkymtnman said:
hey sweetie, i'm just using the words you used. you made the claims and aren't able to back them up.

not surprising from a guy that thinks NTT is not NFT>
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Honey if your still on about PH 9 it probably could.
But am not going to add PH up for any fucker even if it was to prove a point, Love.
The low pH came up because I was talked into giving proper readings which I am doing.
It's proven it can run at 4.0 and now it's being rectified wasn't worried as used that nutrient before and would have been low then
Now soft water nutrient seems to be doing the trick
And will post a record in a week as still building nute strength on left tank but right is running 1.8/2.0
No NTT is not NFT as it will show sweetheart.
 
Billy the Mountain

Billy the Mountain

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harrythehat said:
Honey if your still on about PH 9 it probably could.
But am not going to add PH up for any fucker even if it was to prove a point, Love.
The low pH came up because I was talked into giving proper readings which I am doing.
It's proven it can run at 4.0 and now it's being rectified wasn't worried as used that nutrient before and would have been low then
Now soft water nutrient seems to be doing the trick
And will post a record in a week as still building nute strength on left tank but right is running 1.8/2.0
No NTT is not NFT as it will show sweetheart.
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Again, the pH range for nutrient uptake in hydro is ~5.5-6.5
You've proved nothing and have contributed misinformation.
A pH of 4 will cause major issues, as will a pH of 9
 
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harrythehat

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Billy the Mountain said:
Again, the pH range for nutrient uptake in hydro is ~5.5-6.5
You've proved nothing and have contributed misinformation.
A pH of 4 will cause major issues, as will a pH of 9
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Yes it may do on what you are using but has not on mine
The PH of 4 was found because of suddenly using meters again
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
Honey if your still on about PH 9 it probably could.
But am not going to add PH up for any fucker even if it was to prove a point, Love.
The low pH came up because I was talked into giving proper readings which I am doing.
It's proven it can run at 4.0 and now it's being rectified wasn't worried as used that nutrient before and would have been low then
Now soft water nutrient seems to be doing the trick
And will post a record in a week as still building nute strength on left tank but right is running 1.8/2.0
No NTT is not NFT as it will show sweetheart.
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Billy the Mountain said:
A pH of 4 is detrimental to any plant, including yours.
Perhaps your meter needs calibration?
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Sure you can, but how does your plants actually grow?

I think there's nothing wrong with that pen. Harry seems to be living on another planet where chemistry doesn't apply. He's a lost case I'm afraid, fun to read along to though.

He has such a big ego and strong will it's like arguing to a 4 year old.
 
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harrythehat

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Billy the Mountain said:
A pH of 4 is detrimental to any plant, including yours.
Perhaps your meter needs calibration?
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I thought that it could be out as it is only a cheap pen it is only a couple of weeks old it's been calibrated and checked when I was getting low readings and it is a ok checked it against my base water someone else came in possibly UK only 0.3 difference
So don't think there's any problems
The changeover to soft water formula seems to have done the trick
Will post some readings in a week
 
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