Defoliation the first few leafs

Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
No not me M8 I'm a fraud ask Wasteid
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Fraudulent imply you actually need to sell a product you know doesn't work. I think you do neither. I think we've all already come to the conclusion you're just blinded by your own self entitled ego.

Everyone else anecdotal evidence and numbers are just simply wrong. We're all lying fools by Harrys own standards and reasoning. He's the almighty with all the answers. Hail Harry!
 
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2com

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PJ Diaz said:
I almost never remove leaves in veg, but I have been known to do it in order to intentionally stunt the plants, if I've over-vegged and need to bide time before my current flowering cycle is done an I am able to throw the over-vegged plants into flower.. I've also heard of people removing the leaves on the dominant shoot in order to stunt that shoot, and get the less dominant shoots to catch up for a more even canopy. I'm not sure how well that actually works, but It seems to make a bit of sense in theory.
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It works in practice. It works fantastically. it's probably the one and only thing I picked tried from that gml character I really appreciate. Of course, he's called it "the gml topping technique". And I haven't bothered to think up something better.
It works incredibly well, honestly. I don't even remember how I used to even a plants tops/canopy prior to this technique.
It's not exactly how you put it, though. You, well let me just say how "I" do it, I might have modified it a tiny bit.

First, you don't just take all the leaves on the dominant shoot/shoots(s). You're supposed to take just the newest/youngest growth/leaf on said shoot. As long as it's big enough to have some actual stem (petiole) on it. Sometimes, I'll also take the next one or two down (for various reasons). You have to keep up on it, and apply it to any new "leaders" that try and take off past the rest, for best "even" results.
I can try and be more detailed if anybody wants. You might be able to find a video the guy did on it..I think.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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2com said:
It works in practice. It works fantastically. it's probably the one and only thing I picked tried from that gml character I really appreciate. Of course, he's called it "the gml topping technique". And I haven't bothered to think up something better.
It works incredibly well, honestly. I don't even remember how I used to even a plants tops/canopy prior to this technique.
It's not exactly how you put it, though. You, well let me just say how "I" do it, I might have modified it a tiny bit.

First, you don't just take all the leaves on the dominant shoot/shoots(s). You're supposed to take just the newest/youngest growth/leaf on said shoot. As long as it's big enough to have some actual stem (petiole) on it. Sometimes, I'll also take the next one or two down (for various reasons). You have to keep up on it, and apply it to any new "leaders" that try and take off past the rest, for best "even" results.
I can try and be more detailed if anybody wants. You might be able to find a video the guy did on it..I think.
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Yeah I heard it from GML too.
 
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GnarlyNuggs

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Wattzzup said:
OP I think you’re mixed up. Day 21 of flower not veg. :wall: It will look different and make more sense on day 21 of flower.
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I second that. Day 21 (third week) of flower is when you defoliate. Those plants look way too small to be defoliated. They need to be bushy and over flowing with leaves in order to be defoliated. Defoliation opens up areas for light and helps with air flow.
 
Chip Green

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I do a complete, 100% defoliation on every single plant that I flower. Typically that happens somewhere around day 63 after the flip, just prior to de-stemming the rootball.
Amazing results.
 
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harrythehat

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bk78 said:
Wonder how Harry is doing
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Harry's doing fine M8
Know I made a fuck up on this grow.
But coming on here has brought up some good findings.
Was agged into giving proper readings.
Got a P.H meter and a shock to find have been running a P.H of sub 4s for many years yet still with successful grows.
Bipolar just kept me on the same track. LOL brain says been tested, so doesn't need doing again.
How wrong.
Though I will say plants when looking closely did show some defects to leaves, though nothing much hence why I left it as was.
So kick in the bollox P.H running at 3.96
Oh says he though not to worried let's look at a change.
Got soft water nutes
P.H the left tank right tank no adjustment.
FUCK ME
48 hours later left tank had dropped to 4.41
Right tank 5.24
After 4 days right tank was 4.35 changed nutes
48 hours later P.H had dropped to 5.58
Right tank E.C had risen added some water to take it down P.H raised .7 yet next day was back to5.56
Couple ofdays later E.C raised again same thing added water knocked E.C down P.H rises slightly
But goes back down.
Now am letting E.C rise to see where P.H. goes.

No doubt the boys on here will have a ravage at my words
The sheet is here the figures don't lie
P.H is not a problem.
Looks pretty much like it's regulating itself in the sweet spot sufficiently enough not to have to adjust
More testing will tell
 

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PJ Diaz

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harrythehat said:
Is that all you can do? Cant put in a sensible word
Just have to take the piss
Shows the mentality
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Bro, you don't like Krazy George? That dude is a fucking legend! Heck I still remember him cheering on Joe Montana to multiple Super Bowl victories back in the 80's. You watch your mouth about the way you speak of Krazy George. What are you gonna do next, make fun of this guy?..

 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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harrythehat said:
Harry's doing fine M8
Know I made a fuck up on this grow.
But coming on here has brought up some good findings.
Was agged into giving proper readings.
Got a P.H meter and a shock to find have been running a P.H of sub 4s for many years yet still with successful grows.
Bipolar just kept me on the same track. LOL brain says been tested, so doesn't need doing again.
How wrong.
Though I will say plants when looking closely did show some defects to leaves, though nothing much hence why I left it as was.
So kick in the bollox P.H running at 3.96
Oh says he though not to worried let's look at a change.
Got soft water nutes
P.H the left tank right tank no adjustment.
FUCK ME
48 hours later left tank had dropped to 4.41
Right tank 5.24
After 4 days right tank was 4.35 changed nutes
48 hours later P.H had dropped to 5.58
Right tank E.C had risen added some water to take it down P.H raised .7 yet next day was back to5.56
Couple ofdays later E.C raised again same thing added water knocked E.C down P.H rises slightly
But goes back down.
Now am letting E.C rise to see where P.H. goes.

No doubt the boys on here will have a ravage at my words
The sheet is here the figures don't lie
P.H is not a problem.
Looks pretty much like it's regulating itself in the sweet spot sufficiently enough not to have to adjust
More testing will tell
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Since pH doesn't matter why are you bothering checking it and changing it?
 
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harrythehat

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Was asked to show P.Hd
twentyeight.threefive said:
Since pH doesn't matter why are you bothering checking it and changing it?
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Was asked to give a written record
With that will thank Tvanmunhen for agging me into doing it.
With that found I was and have been running around 4.0 and below with an E.C of 2.0
For many years like 20 because I threw the meters away.
That's the reckless side of Bipolar for you.
Don't get me wrong had no problems with growing in this range with good harvests, though close inspection of leaf did show a little problem, but I didn't worry about it.
Getting meters showed was time for a change
Wouldn't you when you are sitting at the lower end?

Changing to soft water formula
Is showing P.H after its settled pretty much around the sweet spot. To which am happy to leave it there.
Currently looking @ what a higher E.C does to P.H see if it goes lower
 
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harrythehat

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PJ Diaz said:
Bro, you don't like Krazy George? That dude is a fucking legend! Heck I still remember him cheering on Joe Montana to multiple Super Bowl victories back in the 80's. You watch your mouth about the way you speak of Krazy George. What are you gonna do next, make fun of this guy?..

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M8 where did I mention Crazy George.? Don't know the guy. As am UK. No would never insult a leg end.
Was aimed at you if you have questions more than willing to talk them through. O k if you don't like the answer I can't help that
What it will be is a true answer.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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harrythehat said:
M8 where did I mention Crazy George.? Don't know the guy. As am UK. No would never insult a leg end.
Was aimed at you if you have questions more than willing to talk them through. O k if you don't like the answer I can't help that
What it will be is a true answer.
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I don't know what a "leg end" is, but it sounds like you just insulted Wavy Gravy to me. smh
 
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