Pandemic 2020

[hanimmal]

It's over a 10 fold increase in protection against death. That's not a small benefit. It's just that Covid has a low death rate to begin with.

You didn't mention the 2700% decrease in hospitalization for fully vaccinated people who catch the virus.

I don't care if people I don't know online believe me. I also don't care if people have different beliefs than I do. On top of that I'm not giddy at the idea of forcing people to do something against their will for "the greater good".

Of course you don't. You are the new Death Cult troll.

And you just admitted in the other thread that nobody is being forced to get the vaccine. Because this is America, and nobody can force that, outside of maybe parents.

 

[Hiddengems]

You didn't mention the 2700% decrease in hospitalization for fully vaccinated people who catch the virus.


Of course you don't. You are the new Death Cult troll.

And you just admitted in the other thread that nobody is being forced to get the vaccine. Because this is America, and nobody can force that, outside of maybe parents.

Death cult? I firmly believe at risk people should get protected from death.
I believe in choice, not force.

 

[hanimmal]

Yes, for the rest of their lives, every 4-5 months. That or their previous 37 shots don't count, and they're "unvaxxed".

Because you said so?

Death cult? I firmly believe at risk people should get protected from death.
I believe in choice, not force.

You are pushing a fake narrative designed to keep people unsafe.

So yeah, death cult trolling.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Yes, for the rest of their lives, every 4-5 months. That or their previous 37 shots don't count, and they're "unvaxxed".

Stop being so dramatic about it. Just get a shot and shut up.

 

[CatHedral]

It's over a 10 fold increase in protection against death. That's not a small benefit. It's just that Covid has a low death rate to begin with.

We don’t know that. Bet the numbers double (for time currently behind us) after a few years of data analysis.

 

[Hiddengems]

Because you said so?

Just keep getting shots because it eases your mind. They aren't that bad for you. But it won't keep you from getting Covid, and the protection against serious illness and death will disappear as newer variants hit the scene.

Then you'll be where I'm at. My position is we need better vaccines. But you guys will ride these not very good vaccines until the wheels fall off because politics.

 

[Hiddengems]

Stop being so dramatic about it. Just get a shot and shut up.

I never will get a first gen Covid vaccines. You are powerless over my choices. I know that hurts, but you don't run the world.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I never will get a first gen Covid vaccines. You are powerless over my choices. I know that hurts, but you don't run the world.

No pain here you moron. You are so uncool.

 

[hanimmal]

Just keep getting shots because it eases your mind. They aren't that bad for you. But it won't keep you from getting Covid, and the protection against serious illness and death will disappear as newer variants hit the scene.

Then you'll be where I'm at. My position is we need better vaccines. But you guys will ride these not very good vaccines until the wheels fall off because politics.

Because you said so?

I call bullshit on your absolutism troll about 'not keeping you from getting Covid'. Are you saying that there is no increased protection from catching it, or are you cleverly wording it to not say that like a dick head Death Cult troll?

 

[CatHedral]

Just keep getting shots because it eases your mind. They aren't that bad for you. But it won't keep you from getting Covid, and the protection against serious illness and death will disappear as newer variants hit the scene.

Then you'll be where I'm at. My position is we need better vaccines. But you guys will ride these not very good vaccines until the wheels fall off because politics.

No. We are trying to arrive at safest practices until the updated vaccines arrive, and after. The only politics are those of community, which you reject.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Scientists are already testing the new Covid variant

Vaccine scientists are already testing the new coronavirus variant
From CNN’s Michael Nedelman and Frederik Pleitgen

Scientists at BioNTech have already started investigating the impact of a new coronavirus variant on its Covid-19 vaccine, with data expected within the next couple of weeks.

“We understand the concern of experts and have immediately initiated investigations on variant B.1.1.529,” BioNTech, the German company that partnered with Pfizer to make its Covid-19 vaccine, said in a statement Friday. “We expect more data from the laboratory tests in two weeks at the latest.”
The new variant appears to be spreading rapidly in parts of South Africa and scientists are concerned that its unusually high number of mutations could make it more transmissible and result in immune evasion.

BioNTech said the upcoming data would shed light on ”whether B.1.1.529 could be an escape variant that may require an adjustment of our vaccine if the variant spreads globally.”

For months, the heads of both Pfizer and BioNTech have said that the companies can adapt their vaccine, which uses mRNA technology, within six weeks and begin shipping first batches within 100 days, if needed.

 

[Sunbiz1]

The stock market fell like 900 points.

Except for Big Pharma, who is making a killing today.
In fact, billionaires across the globe have added 2 TRILLION to their respective portfolios since this pLandemic began.

 

[Fogdog]

We've hit herd immunity several times. Most people don't know what it is.

You are in herd immunity anytime the average infected person infects less than one person.

knows nothing, has high confidence.



We've not even gotten close to it, idiot.

 

[CunningCanuk]

World Health Organization declares new variant of concern named Omicron

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/world-health-organization-b-1-1-529-variant-south-africa-1.6263826

 

[Fogdog]

It's over a 10 fold increase in protection against death. That's not a small benefit. It's just that Covid has a low death rate to begin with.

2% death rate is pretty bad, especially when a third who survive are severely ill for a long time afterward.

"get Covid so you can become immune". You guys are a death cult.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Scientists are already testing the new Covid variant

Vaccine scientists are already testing the new coronavirus variant
From CNN’s Michael Nedelman and Frederik Pleitgen

Scientists at BioNTech have already started investigating the impact of a new coronavirus variant on its Covid-19 vaccine, with data expected within the next couple of weeks.

“We understand the concern of experts and have immediately initiated investigations on variant B.1.1.529,” BioNTech, the German company that partnered with Pfizer to make its Covid-19 vaccine, said in a statement Friday. “We expect more data from the laboratory tests in two weeks at the latest.”
The new variant appears to be spreading rapidly in parts of South Africa and scientists are concerned that its unusually high number of mutations could make it more transmissible and result in immune evasion.

BioNTech said the upcoming data would shed light on ”whether B.1.1.529 could be an escape variant that may require an adjustment of our vaccine if the variant spreads globally.”

For months, the heads of both Pfizer and BioNTech have said that the companies can adapt their vaccine, which uses mRNA technology, within six weeks and begin shipping first batches within 100 days, if needed.

That’s awesome that they are prepared like that. Now that everyone knows the rules and how to behave we can get this new variant wrapped up and under control
Faster than ever before. I am on vacation and headed down to a popular island resort for 2 weeks. I hope I don’t get the new variant . This really sucks.

 

[Sativied]

Nicely put together. Gave me a better outlook on this. It's fitting right in with our "common" flu. You will get it.

We Accidentally Solved the Flu. Now What?

America has a choice to make.

www.theatlantic.com

"Whatever happens, there can be no more illusions of inevitability. The flu, it turns out, has always been a choice. Now we have the opportunity to do something about it—and the burden of knowing we can."

Maybe some day we'll find a way for corona too. Vaccination alone won't do it, lockdowns neither. What could work, short of an eternal lockdown, is constant testing. Everyone test themselves in the morning, test before entering buildings and transportation. I don't think mankind is willing to go far enough, and maybe they shouldn't.

Our pm is currently giving a speech, re-introducing new measures. "We the government, the medical experts, nationally and internationally, assumed a high vax rate would be a way out of the pandemic and lockdowns. The reality now is very very different. Get vaxxed to protect yourself."

 

[Sativied]

It's over a 10 fold increase in protection against death. That's not a small benefit. It's just that Covid has a low death rate to begin with.

Low in relative numbers, aka a percentage. Very high in absolute number. That's where you go wrong.

 

[C. Nesbitt]

It’s a fucking mad house out there today with crowds out shopping . If it’s already here it’s we are doomed . People are acting like the Pandemic is over.

Yeah, it’s pandemic fatigue. Seeing a lot of that, including previously cautious people like my in-laws being a lot less vigilant about masking, social distancing and staying in. Crowds always have made me feel vaguely icky, but Black Friday shopping coverage on TV looks pretty much like most folks are saying “what pandemic” this year. Thank god for online shopping.

 

[CunningCanuk]

"Under the simplest model, the herd immunity threshold depends on a single parameter known as R0, or the basic reproduction number (Figure 2 A). R0 refers to the average number of secondary infections caused by a single infectious individual introduced into a completely susceptible population (Anderson and May, 1985). If we consider a hypothetical pathogen with an R0 of 4, this means that, on average, one infected host will infect four others during the infectious period, assuming no immunity exists in the population. Mathematically, the herd immunity threshold is defined by 1 – 1/R0 (e.g., if R0 = 4, the corresponding herd immunity threshold is 0.75) (Anderson and May, 1985). Therefore, the more communicable a pathogen, the greater its associated R0 and the greater the proportion of the population that must be immune to block sustained transmission (Figure 2B). A similar parameter important for understanding population-level immunity is the effective reproduction number (Re or Rt). Re is defined as the average number of secondary cases generated by a single index case over an infectious period in a partially immune population (Delamater et al., 2019). Unlike R0, Re does not assume a completely susceptible population and, consequently, will vary depending on a population’s current immune state, which will change dynamically as an outbreak event or vaccination campaign unfolds. Ultimately, the goal of vaccination programs is to bring the value of Re below 1. This occurs when the proportion of the population with immunity exceeds the herd immunity threshold. At this point, pathogen spread cannot be maintained, so there is a decline in the number of infected individuals within the population."