Ron Paul Revolution
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7xstall
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fine, Ron Paul is the only guy with a real shot who is against the war. damn, it feels good to be able to say that!
the demobot party is owned by the establishment, just like the republican party is.
we already heard ultra-elite insiders Clinton and Edwards discussing the triviality of their less popular counterparts at one of the debates in August, we know they don't have any shot - only the ordained, only 30 degrees or higher for the democrats.
anyone who says you are against the war and the failed foreign policy of the last 20 years, your choice is easy.
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the demobot party is owned by the establishment, just like the republican party is.
we already heard ultra-elite insiders Clinton and Edwards discussing the triviality of their less popular counterparts at one of the debates in August, we know they don't have any shot - only the ordained, only 30 degrees or higher for the democrats.
anyone who says you are against the war and the failed foreign policy of the last 20 years, your choice is easy.
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7xstall
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medicineman
New Member
Call me when he is the repuke nominee.
medicineman
New Member
I'm an independent which means I can vote for either one. If you ever see my name on the repuke rolls, you'll know I'm dead and some repukes are using dead people to vote.
ViRedd
New Member
Potpimp ...
Please keep visiting the Political Forum and posting your thoughts here. Hey, any friend of Tom Jefferson is a friend of mine.
You'll find that there are a few misinformed folks who post here that continually confuse Jeffersonian Liberals with NeoCons. ~lol~
Vi
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
Here's some of my favorite Jefferson quotes. Keep in mind that he had actually lived under tyranny and had begun to taste freedom. Also keep in mind that he, Washington, the Adams family, Thomas Paine, and many many other founding fathers were the most brilliant men of the day, not a bunch of power hungry, globalist agenda, neocons only interested in "what's in it for me". Washington personally financed the first Continental Army out of his private savings from his farm, Mt. Vernon. The country had no money and no treasury. He also did not want to be president, and only did it because the country needed him. And here are the quotes:
Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.
I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
It is part of the American character to consider nothing as desperate -- to surmount every difficulty by resolution and contrivance.
A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation.
If there be one principle more deeply rooted than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.
No occupation is so delightful to me as the culture of the earth, and no culture comparable to that of the garden.
It is the trade of lawyers to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour.
We may consider each generation as a distinct nation, with a right, by the will of its majority, to bind themselves, but none to bind the succeeding generation, more than the inhabitants of another country.
I have no ambition to govern men. It is a painful and thankless office
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave.
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
A little rebellion now and then... is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.
I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely happier for it.
The advertisements are the most truthful part of a newspaper.
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter.
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing, but newspapers.
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
eace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it.
We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.
Politics are such a torment that I would advise every one I love not to mix with them.
When a man assumes a public trust he should consider himself a public property.
I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.
I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Taste cannot be controlled by law.
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others.
The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
No man will ever bring out of the Presidency the reputation which carries him into it...To myself, personally, it brings nothing but increasing drudgery and daily loss of friends.
Were we to be directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
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Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.
I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
It is part of the American character to consider nothing as desperate -- to surmount every difficulty by resolution and contrivance.
A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation.
If there be one principle more deeply rooted than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.
No occupation is so delightful to me as the culture of the earth, and no culture comparable to that of the garden.
It is the trade of lawyers to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour.
We may consider each generation as a distinct nation, with a right, by the will of its majority, to bind themselves, but none to bind the succeeding generation, more than the inhabitants of another country.
I have no ambition to govern men. It is a painful and thankless office
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave.
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
A little rebellion now and then... is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.
I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely happier for it.
The advertisements are the most truthful part of a newspaper.
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter.
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing, but newspapers.
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
eace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it.
We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.
Politics are such a torment that I would advise every one I love not to mix with them.
When a man assumes a public trust he should consider himself a public property.
I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.
I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Taste cannot be controlled by law.
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others.
The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
No man will ever bring out of the Presidency the reputation which carries him into it...To myself, personally, it brings nothing but increasing drudgery and daily loss of friends.
Were we to be directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
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7xstall
Well-Known Member
if only we could get the public schools to allow discussion of Jefferson's words...
it would be hard for anyone who had laid eyes on it not to fall in love with classical liberalism. it's like a perpetual machine of ever improving thought, science and philosophy.
this is a great one:
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
that is so profound and it deeply underscores so much of what we see with the politically correct crowd and so many other socialist groups.
Vi is correct, many of the socialist and progressives have fooled themselves. they have confused "liberal" to mean constantly changing things in an effort to obfuscate coherent furtherance of society. they need to change things in such a compulsory manor that you would almost conclude that they have a societal Tourett's Syndrome!
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it would be hard for anyone who had laid eyes on it not to fall in love with classical liberalism. it's like a perpetual machine of ever improving thought, science and philosophy.
this is a great one:
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
that is so profound and it deeply underscores so much of what we see with the politically correct crowd and so many other socialist groups.
Vi is correct, many of the socialist and progressives have fooled themselves. they have confused "liberal" to mean constantly changing things in an effort to obfuscate coherent furtherance of society. they need to change things in such a compulsory manor that you would almost conclude that they have a societal Tourett's Syndrome!
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ViRedd
New Member
I like this one from Potpimps post:
I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
And today, the national debt stands at over nine trillion dollars. The unfunded debt, according to some estimates is 59.7 trillion.
NCPA - Policy Report 263 - How Large Is the Federal Government’s Debt?
That's some load for our children, grand children and great grandchildren to pay off.
Vi
I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
And today, the national debt stands at over nine trillion dollars. The unfunded debt, according to some estimates is 59.7 trillion.
NCPA - Policy Report 263 - How Large Is the Federal Government’s Debt?
That's some load for our children, grand children and great grandchildren to pay off.
Vi
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
And do you know how the "national debt" is created? You need to do some research on how money is created and by whom. The "Fed" (Federal Reserve) gets the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to print their money. The money is paid for at a set price per note; it was $2.35/per note last time I heard; the "face value" doesn't matter. The bank notes are put into circulation thru the Federal Reserve Banks, distributed as loans. Money is created out of thin air by the banks and the difference between the cost to print the note and the face value of it is added to the national debt. Lincoln was assassinated for trying to undo the Federal Reserve system; JFK was assassinated for the same reason. Regan was almost killed by John Hinkley for the exact same reason. The Federal Reserve is no more "Federal" than Federal Express; it's a private bank, owned mostly by foreigners.
Another little tid-bit of info you might be interested in knowing... the Internal Revenue Service is nothing but the collection arm for the "Fed". The 16th amendment, making income taxes legal, has never been ratified and there is no law in title 26 of the IRC that says that the average American citizen has to pay taxes. It is unapportioned and illegal and everyone that does it does it out of ignorance or fear.
Another little tid-bit of info you might be interested in knowing... the Internal Revenue Service is nothing but the collection arm for the "Fed". The 16th amendment, making income taxes legal, has never been ratified and there is no law in title 26 of the IRC that says that the average American citizen has to pay taxes. It is unapportioned and illegal and everyone that does it does it out of ignorance or fear.
medicineman
New Member
So, quit bitching and stop paying your taxes. If it is not legal then how could they come and take everything you own and throw you in prison. I say quit paying. There, I solved one of your problems.
ViRedd
New Member
potpimp ...
I agree with all of the above. I've been researching this stuff for many years now and even stopped filing income tax returns for a long time.
The problem is, if you want to live "off the books" in this country, you have to be completly off the books. No bank account, no 1099s, no employee status, no social security taxes, no property ownership, no checking or savings accounts ... and everything you do must be in cash. Believe me, I've tried and failed. We live in a monetary/taxation system that relys on fear and intimidation to get the citizens to comply. For example, if your local bank recieves a "Notice of Levy" from the IRS with your Social Security number on it, the bank must set aside, from your account, the amount on the Notice of Levy for 21 days. If you don't resolve the situation with the IRS within that 21 days, the bank must send the money to the IRS. If you protest to the bank manager that all he has is a NOTICE of levy and not an actual court judgement (which would be an actual levy), the response, if your bank manager is honest with you, would be: "Well, we HAVE to comply or we will lose our relationship with the Federal Reserve. In other words, the FED would put the bank out of business! Like you said ... screw with the collection arm of the Federal Reserve, you are dead meat.
Vi
I agree with all of the above. I've been researching this stuff for many years now and even stopped filing income tax returns for a long time.
The problem is, if you want to live "off the books" in this country, you have to be completly off the books. No bank account, no 1099s, no employee status, no social security taxes, no property ownership, no checking or savings accounts ... and everything you do must be in cash. Believe me, I've tried and failed. We live in a monetary/taxation system that relys on fear and intimidation to get the citizens to comply. For example, if your local bank recieves a "Notice of Levy" from the IRS with your Social Security number on it, the bank must set aside, from your account, the amount on the Notice of Levy for 21 days. If you don't resolve the situation with the IRS within that 21 days, the bank must send the money to the IRS. If you protest to the bank manager that all he has is a NOTICE of levy and not an actual court judgement (which would be an actual levy), the response, if your bank manager is honest with you, would be: "Well, we HAVE to comply or we will lose our relationship with the Federal Reserve. In other words, the FED would put the bank out of business! Like you said ... screw with the collection arm of the Federal Reserve, you are dead meat.
Vi
Im voting for Ron Paul. What are the chances of him winning anyways 
I was arrested a couple weeks ago for possession and driving while under the influence of marijuana. Went to court and all i got was 125 community services hours.
I do wish that marijuana could be legalized but the same laws apply like alcohol. Even though I drive better when high, I was also drunk when I was pulled over. Good thing weed was the overwhelming smell
I was arrested a couple weeks ago for possession and driving while under the influence of marijuana. Went to court and all i got was 125 community services hours.
I do wish that marijuana could be legalized but the same laws apply like alcohol. Even though I drive better when high, I was also drunk when I was pulled over. Good thing weed was the overwhelming smell
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
Medicine man, read the post. I didn't say I pay income taxes - I don't. I've gone over 10 years without paying them. As far as it needing to be legal for them to throw you into jail, that's a whole other story. One of the first legal moves the colonies instituted was "contracts", a binding legal obligation, under Common Law. When a person signs a 1040 form, they are signing "under penalty of perjury" that all the foregoing is true. The IRS tells you plainly that "our system is based on self-assessment and voluntary compliance". I don't understand how otherwise intelligent people stumble over the meaning of "self-assessment" and "voluntary". If you sign the 1040, send it in but you secretly "forgot" to mention that extra $20,000 you made on the side, you are now liable under the UCC and the IRC for any discrepancies.
medicineman
New Member
Well good luck mi Amigo, but odds are they'll eventually catch up to you and then you'll have a few lawyer bills and probably some quality time in the big house. If you totally get away with it, write a book detailing your ingenious solutions, I'm sure more than one of us (including IRS agents) would find that a good read.
7xstall
Well-Known Member
there really is no law that allows income tax, med. that can't happen in a free country... you can't tax people's wages and labor because it comes from inside them and the government didn't "give" anyone the desire to perform work or provide for their family. i'm seriously considering going off the books myself - i don't throw the money we get to keep away so why should i let the feds throw it away for me????
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Ron Paul is still bringing in the $$ as regular citizens continue to support his SPECIAL INTEREST FREE campaign of hope for America. while all the top media picks are wallowing in huge donations from corporate America there is one man who's choosing the people over the dollars.
also, the media is not reporting it but huge numbers of democrats are changing sides so they can vote for the ONLY candidate who is not an establishment puppet. go dems, show the elites they don't own you!
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Ron Paul is still bringing in the $$ as regular citizens continue to support his SPECIAL INTEREST FREE campaign of hope for America. while all the top media picks are wallowing in huge donations from corporate America there is one man who's choosing the people over the dollars.
also, the media is not reporting it but huge numbers of democrats are changing sides so they can vote for the ONLY candidate who is not an establishment puppet. go dems, show the elites they don't own you!
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medicineman
New Member
Sounds like propaganda to me, but if paul gets the nomination 90-10 against, I'll have to look long and hard at his agenda. His privatization agenda scares the be-Jesus out of me, if we were anymore run by corporations, we'd all be slaves. I'm afraid that one thing might preclude me voting for him. I like his stopping the war and his civil liberties things and he has a few other good news items, but total privatization would not fly for me. In fact that is the major roadblock in his agenda. We've seen what runaway privatization could be like, Enron, Global crossing, Etc. I can't even Imagine a country with no government controls on Business, 3.00 an hour, take it or leave it. running their toxic effluents straight into our drinking water, Importing labor from Bangladesh,Millions of unemployed starving homeless ex-middle class citizens seeing foriegners marching to their old jobs. We know corporations have no soul, No thanks. unless I can be assured that that scenario is not possible under Paul, count me out.
7xstall
Well-Known Member
yeah, i agree that corporations shouldn't run things - even if the corporation is called Federal Government it's very dangerous when huge, inhuman bureau-structures manage so many aspects of our lives.
you never have convinced me that your vision of a free America consisting of millions of starving ex-middle class citizens is anything more than a big government inspired nightmare... every time you paint this picture it makes me think of actual photographs from the soviet union, china, DPRK and other places where socialism has devastated the people. when i think of liberty it give me hope... i guess you're conditioned to have the opposite reaction.
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you never have convinced me that your vision of a free America consisting of millions of starving ex-middle class citizens is anything more than a big government inspired nightmare... every time you paint this picture it makes me think of actual photographs from the soviet union, china, DPRK and other places where socialism has devastated the people. when i think of liberty it give me hope... i guess you're conditioned to have the opposite reaction.
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7xstall
Well-Known Member
and, why are you cynical that dems would register rep in large numbers to support the only pro-peace, pro-sovereignty, pro-borders, pro-people candidate running???
i wasn't surprised at all, i know many dems who still abide by the JFK philosophy instead of the socialist new world order, they want a voice too!
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i wasn't surprised at all, i know many dems who still abide by the JFK philosophy instead of the socialist new world order, they want a voice too!
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