ancap
Active Member
Not that you were speaking directly to me, but I'll try to take your thoughts point by point Rick...
"Has anyone considered that when we change people's attitudes toward marriage, we change people's attitude toward the traditional family."
You would have to do a better job examining why this would be such a bad thing. Throughout our recent history, there has been some very prevalent physical and mental abuse in the "traditional family". However, it has become less intense and obvious nowadays.
"Despite being far and away the largest producer of health and wealth known in the history of man, we have been chipping away at the traditional family for the last 4 decades."
Agreed on our country producing vast amounts of wealth and amazing advances in healthcare. However, I'm not sure how you developed this causal link between wealth and the traditional family. I was pretty sure these things were a very well documented result in the explosion of free enterprise.
"Well, it has produced more social decay than anything we have ever seen. Every major social indicator shows that society decays in direct proportion to the decline of the traditional family."
Please give this social decay a name. Bring it out of the darkness for us. Please don't tell me marijuana use is among these social decays! You've also again made the causal leap from this unnamed social decay to the decline in the embrace of your "traditional values."
"Regardless, we all need to understand that marriage is not a right. You need a license to get married."
This doesn't work with me. I don't believe the government gives us our rights.
"If we apply some of the logic posted above, don't we also have to allow brothers and sisters to wed? What if a man wants to take 7 wives? What if a girl wants to marry her father or her cat?"
I say go for it! I'm all for voluntary social contracts. My personal preferences have no weight here because I choose not to enforce my personal preferences on others through the power of the state.
"We restrict the use of alcohol and other things by people who are under 21. Placing restrictions on who can marry is no different."
Restricting a child from drinking a poison is different from restricting an adult from exercising their free will and choice.
"Besides, civil unions do give Gays all the same rights, they just do it without asking others to change the definition of marriage."
So, if gay people have civil unions, the social fabric isn't harmed, but if they call it a different name (marriage), BOY that's a completely different story!
"The law does in fact apply equally to everyone with regard to marriage. Neither gay nor straight people can marry someone of the same sex, or a sibling, or a parent, or a dog, or more than one person."
Prohibition of marijuana applies equally to all people. It's still wrong.
"Has anyone considered that when we change people's attitudes toward marriage, we change people's attitude toward the traditional family."
You would have to do a better job examining why this would be such a bad thing. Throughout our recent history, there has been some very prevalent physical and mental abuse in the "traditional family". However, it has become less intense and obvious nowadays.
"Despite being far and away the largest producer of health and wealth known in the history of man, we have been chipping away at the traditional family for the last 4 decades."
Agreed on our country producing vast amounts of wealth and amazing advances in healthcare. However, I'm not sure how you developed this causal link between wealth and the traditional family. I was pretty sure these things were a very well documented result in the explosion of free enterprise.
"Well, it has produced more social decay than anything we have ever seen. Every major social indicator shows that society decays in direct proportion to the decline of the traditional family."
Please give this social decay a name. Bring it out of the darkness for us. Please don't tell me marijuana use is among these social decays! You've also again made the causal leap from this unnamed social decay to the decline in the embrace of your "traditional values."
"Regardless, we all need to understand that marriage is not a right. You need a license to get married."
This doesn't work with me. I don't believe the government gives us our rights.
"If we apply some of the logic posted above, don't we also have to allow brothers and sisters to wed? What if a man wants to take 7 wives? What if a girl wants to marry her father or her cat?"
I say go for it! I'm all for voluntary social contracts. My personal preferences have no weight here because I choose not to enforce my personal preferences on others through the power of the state.
"We restrict the use of alcohol and other things by people who are under 21. Placing restrictions on who can marry is no different."
Restricting a child from drinking a poison is different from restricting an adult from exercising their free will and choice.
"Besides, civil unions do give Gays all the same rights, they just do it without asking others to change the definition of marriage."
So, if gay people have civil unions, the social fabric isn't harmed, but if they call it a different name (marriage), BOY that's a completely different story!
"The law does in fact apply equally to everyone with regard to marriage. Neither gay nor straight people can marry someone of the same sex, or a sibling, or a parent, or a dog, or more than one person."
Prohibition of marijuana applies equally to all people. It's still wrong.