The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[Dr. VonDank]

Good to know.

I forget where I found the 5mL instructions but it sounded high to me too. I have a couple of weeks before I start adding it. I plan on going 1-2mL and going a little under 1/2 strength on the nutes.

A good program that works well is use the gravity with the purple max for 4 consecutive watering's---Gravity @ 2.5ml/gal and purple max @ 5ml/gal--I mix at that rate with 2 tbs of molasses/25gal.
Note: You can help prep your plants for the nitrogen load assimilation caused by the gravity by using Power Thrive with B1(seaweed) and a regular dose of potassium silicate in one watering before you start the Gravity and Purple-Max.

ther wer clones

The plants look great but I'm surprised that its blue cheese---Those beautiful plants of yours are showing some really strong sativa characteristics

 

[mattso101]

I just started using Bio Canna Bio Flore and Bio Canna Bio Boost. I am also using Cal-Mag Plus and Growzyme aka Hydrozyme

I fed
15ml per galll Bio Flores
15 ml per gallon Bio Boost

The pics are a few days old.
They are LA Confidential 3 week flowering today. I was using pure blend pro up till today. I am growing in Promix in 3 Gallon pots using a 430watt Hortilux eye HPS

Any Reccomendations when using bio canna Nuste??
Do you reccomend any other bloom Boosters. Remeber I am alo using Cal-Mag Plus and Hydrozyme.

 

[(Butters)]

Quick question coco folks.

Does coco dry from the outside in or the inside out?

I have a white rhino seedling just gettin it's start in this world in coco at the moment and was trying to figure out an appropriate watering schedule. I was originally thinking that the top (i.e. visible to me) of the coco in my bucket would be the indicator of when to water but it dawned on me that this may be a bit too much of an assumption on my part.

Figured that the coco that is exposed to the most air would dry quicker. Made sense in my head but better not leave early seedling life to educated guess.

Any idea?

-Butters

 

[mattso101]

Quick question coco folks.

Does coco dry from the outside in or the inside out?

I have a white rhino seedling just gettin it's start in this world in coco at the moment and was trying to figure out an appropriate watering schedule. I was originally thinking that the top (i.e. visible to me) of the coco in my bucket would be the indicator of when to water but it dawned on me that this may be a bit too much of an assumption on my part.

Figured that the coco that is exposed to the most air would dry quicker. Made sense in my head but better not leave early seedling life to educated guess.

Any idea?

-Butters

Just treat it as any other soil or soiless mix. Your gonna want to keep the seedlings pretty moist at first then find the right watering sched.. It will depned on how much perlite you havein your mix, if your running pure coco then it will take alot longer to dry out.

Star feeding when the plant get its first real leafs because the coco has no Nutrients in it. Some people will even feed sooner very weakly.

 

[jberry]

dont treat it as soil.... stick to the water/weight method.....
if its just a little seedling than i would just water it with a spray bottle to prevent the coco from staying too soggy (dont worry about getting your run off for now)....

for starting seeds, i usually add/mix 25% perlite to my 4" pot of coco, and i dont use any nutes for the first week or two.

 

[jberry]

I just started using Bio Canna Bio Flore and Bio Canna Bio Boost. I am also using Cal-Mag Plus and Growzyme aka Hydrozyme

I fed
15ml per galll Bio Flores
15 ml per gallon Bio Boost

The pics are a few days old.
They are LA Confidential 3 week flowering today. I was using pure blend pro up till today. I am growing in Promix in 3 Gallon pots using a 430watt Hortilux eye HPS

Any Reccomendations when using bio canna Nuste??
Do you reccomend any other bloom Boosters. Remeber I am alo using Cal-Mag Plus and Hydrozyme.

stick to the chart unless you want to use a extra booster. If you want to use Shooting Powder, Gravity, Ect. with your Canna nutes, than you should cut back on your base nutrients.
And dont use any other flower boosters at the same time as you are using your PK 13/14...... when you are done using PK 13/14, than you can start using Shooting Powder, M.O.A.B., Gravity or something like that, but dont forget to cut your other nutes back when using a powerful flower booster.

 

[jberry]

this is my 1st time growing and im using canna coco and the canna nutrients,im a few days away till harvest im growing 10 blue cheese and the canna nutrients work wonders i think,i added advanced nutrient overdrive atthe end for better results i was wonderin when i start using cannaboost can i mix dr hornbys big bud to it,ive heard i can but i want to hear it from a few people

heres a picture of my plants

fed them on canna coco and the canna nutrients(coco a,coco b,cannazym,rhizotonic,pk13/14,cannaboost and added advanced nute overdrive

its 10 in a 1.2 metre square tent with a 600w growin in auto pots

yes u can use big bud with canna boost, ut i would cut your base nutes back and start the big bud at half strength and work your way up if possible.

 

[jberry]

when growing with coco when do I start taking away the A and B from my flowering plants?
I have been told that taking them off the last week helps with the flavor? is this so?

you can stop using it the last week, or you can just cut it way back to like 2ml per gallon.

 

[jberry]

well im always suggesting to people that they should inoculate their coco garden with beneficial bacteria/ fungi... Canna Coco is a great medium to inoculate.

Here is a a link to a new thread i started:
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/262494-mycorrhiza-101-a.html

Some of it is a bit technical, even boring at times, but it is extremely valuable information IMO....
anyhow, feel free to ask questions if you have them...
hopefully I can answer them.

I am currently using Mykos which is the same product as Pumpkin Pro in a different package/name... according to the company that makes it (RTI), it is of much greater quality than the great white ive been using and suggesting. (although great white was a far away 2nd place in a independent study) I just started using it so i couldnt comment on the results yet but i talked to the company through email a few times and they seem legit and generous... and they encouraged me to do side by sides with great white or any company.

coco growers should check into using a inoculate or compost tea

 

[growbuddy]

Here is my Canna coco and COCO nute grow.

400 watt hps. I hope I yield alot.

I usually feed them at 450 PPM earlyveg
and 750-950PPM late veg and flowering.

Canna coco nutes A/B, RIZ, Canny,Boost, PK 13/14.

very easy to use, very affordable. $200

 

[growbuddy]

Should I transplant these plants into bigger containers I think these are like 3-4 gallon, They have been in here for a month and they are at day 6 flowering so they will only be in these pots for another two months tops? roots are growing like crazy, but like I said, they are now flowering not vegging so do they still grow lots of roots while flowering?

Thanks

 

[jberry]

no, you dont need to transplant. I would just leave them in those, they are plenty big for coco.

roots dont grow too fast in flower, but they without a doubt keep growing, but your 3-4 gallon containers are more than efficient for a 3 month grow imo

 

[jberry]

we've always strived to for the best information possible and not the product hype of the moment. That's why we haven't jumped on the LED lighting bandwagon or pushed the overly complex and overly priced nutrient formulas promoted by some popular product lines.

we are bombarded with product info from manufacturers and suppliers and they all claim that what they're selling is the best there is. So who do you believe?


It's always been our business philosophy that the best speaks for itself, we put most new products through our own testing process and let them do just that.

We are not scientist but we do our best to eliminate variables and keep all tests as fair as possible. We offer this information simply as a resource to help you in making the best product decisions.



Nutrient Comparison Test - Week 1

Click below to see the photo's on the first week of our latest nutrient challenge. This is the fourth in a series of test we have run on the Canna nutrient line. Canna is the best selling line in the world but we don't take for granted that best selling means best product.

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However, one can't argue with success.
In our first side by side we tested against General Hydroponics Flora line on patio tomatoes and the results were dramatic. Canna's Coco line took a commanding lead from week one and widened the gap throughout the test. The end result was impressively in Canna's favor.
Our second test matched Canna against Dutch Master Gold. Canna took an initial jump during the first week of veg but DM gained ground and both products were yielding competitive tomato plants until the last two weeks of flower when Canna again took a noticeable lead in size, yield and quality.
Our third test pitted our champion against the popular Botanicare Pro Grow and Bloom nutrient. The difference was nearly as drastic as in the GH test. Canna held a strong lead on all levels throughout and by the end the Canna plant was easily two thirds larger then the Botanicare plant. We offered samplings of the fruit to customers in blind tastings and everyone found the Canna tomatoes to be sweeter and more flavorful.
Our latest test was started on 2/25/09 using cuttings from our same patio tomato which had been taken the previous week and rooted in an Easy Cloner.
From left to right:

• test plant A is being grown in Canna Coco and fed with the Canna Coco feeding schedule;
• test plant B is being grown in Foxfarm's Ocean Forest using Foxfarm liquid nutrients;
• test plant C is General Hydroponics Flora nutrients in ProMix HP returning for a rematch.

The first photo's were taken on 2/27 just two days after being planted at equal size. They are being grown in a Dark Room DR120 under a Hortilux 600 hps bulb in a Sun System Magnum XXL reflector.

 

[jberry]

Nutrient Comparison Test - Week 5

At week 5, space has dictated the elimination of one of our tomatoes. Well I have to say that taken on their own merits, no one would be disappointed in any of these plants, by comparison the General Hydroponics tomato has no hope of being in the same league as the other two. It did take a lead over Foxfarm in vegatative growth but its base stalk was half the size and it was stretchy and flimsy where the Foxfarm plant is dense and sturdy. In addition, both the Canna tomato and the Foxfarm tomato are well into prolific fruit developement and the General Hydroponics tomato had minimal flower developement and only a few fruit forming.
The Canna plant is the clear leader at this point factoring the greater size, larger stalk development and fruit and flower production but the Foxfarm plant is an impressive second. It should also be factored that the Foxfarm plant is in soil and the Canna plant is hydro.
Perhaps another test soon with Foxfarm nutrients and a hydro medium... Keep checking back. The taste test is coming soon!

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Check back for weekly photo and progress updates.

 

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ok so i picked up almost everything u said you tried with a couple subs I am using canna coco canna a b rhizo canazime bud xl gravity pk13/14 moab and i couldnt get great white but i found myco madness im week 2 1/2 into flower things are looking good i saw you used pk week 3 for 7 to 10 which is different the the recomended dose what about the bud xl and moab do you use that differently then recomended? I kinda understand that your wanting to hit that sweet spot but i dont want to burn them. Ive got 20 blue dream 2 og kush 2 super skunk and 2 chem dog.

 

[jberry]

ok so i picked up almost everything u said you tried with a couple subs I am using canna coco canna a b rhizo canazime bud xl gravity pk13/14 moab and i couldnt get great white but i found myco madness im week 2 1/2 into flower things are looking good i saw you used pk week 3 for 7 to 10 which is different the the recomended dose what about the bud xl and moab do you use that differently then recomended? I kinda understand that your wanting to hit that sweet spot but i dont want to burn them. Ive got 20 blue dream 2 og kush 2 super skunk and 2 chem dog.

if you use the pk during week 3 make sure you have at least some hair clusters and start at a low dose, if u use too much too early it may stunt your plants in height... middle of 3rd week would probably be better.... start at half strength and then full.

bud xl i start in the middle of week 3 and use it until final flush at 3.8ml per gallon.

moab is some scary ass shit and so is gravity when mixed with nutes.... use them carefully.... i start at 1/4 strength and work my way to 1/2. I use them after im done using the pk13/14. I also cut my nutes back a lot when using these products.

last harvest i used all "moab" and no "shooting powder", usually i use shooting powder for 1 week and moab for the next 2 weeks.... using just moab, my yields dropped very slighty and the visual bud size was also slighty smaller, BUT it was still a above average yield with large nugs... this time i will do the one week of shooting powder to see if it goes back up, if it does , i plan on using shooting powder for the whole 3 weeks (no moab) to see what happens.... Shooting powder is like 4x as much money compared to moab! thats why im avoiding it if i can.

myco madness is preety good and will do the job if you dont kill the fungi with h2o2, chlorinated water, hot temps, high chemical EC, pesticides ect.
Use it as soon/early in the plants life as possible at full strength and stop using it around week 5 or 6 of flower.... it works better if u have a air stone to throw in the rez.

If u want to use a sugar product to help your beneficial bacteria, gravity, ect. then I have been using Honey Hydro Carbs by the same company that makes your myco madness and im happy with it so far.

 

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if you use the pk during week 3 make sure you have at least some hair clusters and start at a low dose, if u use too much too early it may stunt your plants in height... middle of 3rd week would probably be better.... start at half strength and then full.

bud xl i start in the middle of week 3 and use it until final flush at 3.8ml per gallon.

moab is some scary ass shit and so is gravity when mixed with nutes.... use them carefully.... i start at 1/4 strength and work my way to 1/2. I use them after im done using the pk13/14. I also cut my nutes back a lot when using these products.

last harvest i used all "moab" and no "shooting powder", usually i use shooting powder for 1 week and moab for the next 2 weeks.... using just moab, my yields dropped very slighty and the visual bud size was also slighty smaller, BUT it was still a above average yield with large nugs... this time i will do the one week of shooting powder to see if it goes back up, if it does , i plan on using shooting powder for the whole 3 weeks (no moab) to see what happens.... Shooting powder is like 4x as much money compared to moab! thats why im avoiding it if i can.

myco madness is preety good and will do the job if you dont kill the fungi with h2o2, chlorinated water, hot temps, high chemical EC, pesticides ect.
Use it as soon/early in the plants life as possible at full strength and stop using it around week 5 or 6 of flower.... it works better if u have a stone to throw in the rez.

If u want to use a sugar product to help your beneficial bacteria, gravity, ect. then I have been using Honey Hydro Carbs by the same company that makes your myco madness and im happy with it so far.

thanks man I will be carefull to follow directions closely i do not want to mess this up but at week 2 and 3 days i have some good clusters going all over so im pretty psyched ill post some pics on my journal soon thanks again man

 

[jberry]

im growing blue dream as well ! its a really good plant.

 

[SnowWhite]

Hey J....been a while. Just saying hey and loving your work as always. You are a bit of a scientist really mate

re the Shooting powder. I couldn't justify the res quantities required for that stuff, so I'm using Top Shooter instead. It's pretty snotty stuff! Ever tried it before? My girls seem to be liking it, especially my Super Silver Haze, really packing on since I started using it. Whether they would be doing that anyway, IDK, cos I'm giving it to all three of them. I need to do a clone only room to really validate the performance. And I will be doing that some time next year. The bottle should last me quite a while.

 

[jaxbeachbum]

i finally found the thread for me... im currently in my second week of flowering. I have 2- 1000w hortilux eyes hps's going on 35 girls. I am using the canna-soil pro line. Im currently using like 15ml/gal flores and 8ml/gal boost but currently. This is my first solo grow and i hope that it turns out well considering the investment ive put in so far but i really must agree with my buddy at the hydro shop, canna is the easiest and most fool proof line out there. i recently used bushmaster to ease my worries about possibly hight problems later in flowering. I gave them regular nutes, waited a day then fed them with plain water 2ml of bushmaster. i will probably water next with a 2/3 the regular amt of flores and boost along with another 2ml of bushmater.

I also have obtained gravity, pk 13/14. and purplemaxx. i was happy to see some of yall mention your use of those humbolt products with your canna coco grow. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or experience on the exact order of use of the three. I was thinking i might use purple max as a foilar feeder from week 3-6 (not sure the dose amt. and times to spray per week), use the pk 13/14 from week 3-6, then use gravity week 7, then flush with molasas week eight.

im growing a local strain called the doctor, got it from a professor back in college and has been growing ever since. Im trying to increase the yeild through increased density.
thanks and cheif well everyone