Sgt. Floyd
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I'm just telling the way it was taught to me many years ago.Oh, so it must be true....
Control....
Babs34
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It is the Holy Spirit that inspires the comprehension of man's word.
I skipped out on so many of the class's it's not even funny. Honest truth, I paid NO attention to what was taught me......honest to God, I have no recollection, BECAUSE I paid NO attention to it. I was merely a kid who couldn't wait to go run naked through the woods and shoot bebe guns and return home with pellet wounds with pride.
My "faith" has NOTHING upon NOTHING to do with my upbringing/teachings, only of that which the Holy Spirit has shown me through life experiences. The Holy Spirit is as real as the nose on your face. One only need to barely seek the presence for it to be wholeheartedly KNOWN.
While many of you will mock that simple statement I just now made, I will simply shrug my shoulders. I am who I am. I am WHO I AM "because" of the Holy Spirit and how much I dare to behold His presence.....take my word, it's not easy to acknowledge truth. If anything, it's the hardest existence to mankind.
What is God, if not a mystery to mankind? How utterly mundane this world would be had God not given us freewill.
Athesits will relentlessly ask, why then does God allow.........(everything from A-Z?)
So many of the answers you seek are so simplex and within the reach as the toilet paper you reach for.....and yet, you remain still with the blinders. What it boils down to is prideful ignorance, an arrogant determination to willfully make your OWN rules......fine, God orained that right. Why would He not?
Why it is so troubling for the non-believer to comprehend that God did not create us in the image of robots and mindless zombies is beyond me.....yet at the same time, comprehensible.
The entire meaning of "life" holds no purpose in man's perfection, but Holy sh*&,,,,that's a book, and a mysterious one at that.
CrackerJax
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I was taught the same thing..... which in reality is indoctrination. Breaking free is difficult. But it can be done.
Babs34
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LOL CJ, LOL.......and GOD hath spoken....hehe.
You missed the point.....I TRULY did NOT give a shit about "religion." I gave no thought to God.
Indoctrination... I truly didn't give a shit.
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PadawanBater
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What were you shown? Why do you attribute this to "they Holy Spirit"?
What is "the Holy Spirit"?
That second part I put in bold is false. What do you think we've been doing? What do you think most atheists do? We seek answers to these questions.
This tells me your concerned with comfort more than what reality actually is.
Free will and purpose are incompatible concepts. They are mutually exclusive. We either have free will and purpose - in this sense - is meaningless, or we don't and there is meaning in each of our purposes. So which is it?
Reasonable question.
That's one of the worst arguments a believer could pose. Take it from me, from this side, it's simply ridiculous. It's just like saying "you hate God, that's why you don't believe!". The argument here being "you want to make your own rules and not live by the ones God set". Considering that would be near the bottom of the list of priorities - that is, my own personal finite likes and dislikes in a universe where a God does exist - the argument defeats itself. If God existed as you believe he does, the rules he's set would be irrelevant to me believing in him. Fail.
Because logic does not permit it. If you gave it more than 10 minutes worth of thinking, you would come to the same conclusion. Every single one of "Gods" omni-powers is illogical.
Babs34
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Sorry P, huge eyeroll sums it up..I've an important doctors appt to make in the early a.m. in "inclement weather".....to respond would take time I do not have now.
I will not argue and I WILL NOT fail.
Babs34
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BUT..........I WILL RESPOND at a later time.Sorry P, huge eyeroll sums it up..I've an important doctors appt to make in the early a.m. in "inclement weather".....to respond would take time I do not have now.
I will not argue and I WILL NOT fail.
CrackerJax
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LOL CJ, LOL.......and GOD hath spoken....hehe.
You missed the point.....I TRULY did NOT give a shit about "religion." I gave no thought to God.
Indoctrination... I truly didn't give a shit.
And I clearly was not responding to ur post..... pay attention...
But my post is 100% accurate. It is indoctrination of something without proof or probability. MYTH.
Of course you don't care..... ur not a moral person. Only a moral person would be concerned.
jfgordon1
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In general, I don't see people that indoctrinate as "bad people" per se. However, i do believe the act of indoctrinating is immoral. How do people not get that forcing unproven belief down gullible children's throats is not right... at all?
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420HAZE420
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the proof is all around you you just wont take noticeSo your god gives us the brains for logical, rational thought but doesn't want us to use those faculties when it comes to him?
morgentaler
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All people are indoctrinated.
As a north american, you've likely been indoctrinated into believing that eating bugs is yucky, while 2/3 of the world would disagree with you. Your neighbor has been indoctrinated to believe all sex outside marriage is bad.
Children are hardwired to be indoctrinated. It allows them to assimilate new information quickly. It can also be exploited.
jfgordon1
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Saying tree outside is proof... doesn't make it proof.
Saying the sun is proof... doesn't make it proof.
etc.
Do you at least see where we are coming from?
morgentaler
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Adam Carolla can suck a nut.
Adam Carolla can suck a nut.
jfgordon1
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CrackerJax
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Raise a child without religion and then when he/she is ready to enter the real world.... show them a Bible and have them read it. They would be appalled that ppl believe it to be true.
That is exactly why the Church has always insisted on getting them young .... before they can think for themselves.
That is exactly why the Church has always insisted on getting them young .... before they can think for themselves.
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PadawanBater
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shnkrmn
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You cannot raise a child free of religion without giving them extensive knowledge of religion. Think about it; what would they be given to read? What history, philosophy? You cannot understand the modern world without basic understanding of what is a religion, how does it inform and influence culture and civilization. You can't read Kant without understanding Christ. I have no idea how atheist parents raise their children; it must be pretty challenging.
So, CJ, how would you keep this child free of religion? By indoctrination, perhaps?
growwwww
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You cannot raise a child free of religion without giving them extensive knowledge of religion. Think about it; what would they be given to read? What history, philosophy? You cannot understand the modern world without basic understanding of what is a religion, how does it inform and influence culture and civilization. You can't read Kant without understanding Christ. I have no idea how atheist parents raise their children; it must be pretty challenging.
So, CJ, how would you keep this child free of religion? By indoctrination, perhaps?
You would educate them on various types of religions, monotheism, polytheism and athiestic religions like buddhism. You would teach them the core basics of these. Teach them that understanding and education of everything is so important.
Eventually, when they are old enough and educated to ask questions and look at the logic behind things. You will get someone who still may ( because they find it suits them [ for some odd reason ] pick up a certain religion or a particular philosophy )
These people will most probably identify that the good things are pretty ubiqoutos among all the religions and beliefs. and among other things i recon if they were to pick a religion im sure they would go for something like buddhism or something that just really doesnt give a shit about anyone else.
CrackerJax
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Are you kidding me?You cannot raise a child free of religion without giving them extensive knowledge of religion. Think about it; what would they be given to read? What history, philosophy? You cannot understand the modern world without basic understanding of what is a religion, how does it inform and influence culture and civilization. You can't read Kant without understanding Christ. I have no idea how atheist parents raise their children; it must be pretty challenging.
So, CJ, how would you keep this child free of religion? By indoctrination, perhaps?
No Philosophy worth teaching your kids outside of the Bible? Is there philosophy even in the Bible?
I could EASILY raise a moral child without religion.
Babs34
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He wants you to see. Many just refuse him..that simple.So your god gives us the brains for logical, rational thought but doesn't want us to use those faculties when it comes to him?