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Sgt. Floyd

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Lawmakers scramble to respond to fake pot
by Emily Le Coz, Chris Kieffer and Danza Johnson/NEMS Daily Journal

Synthetic marijuana, like this vial purchased at Tupelo’s Super Store and Deli on the corner of Lawndale Drive and Ida Street, is a growing problem in Northeast Mississippi. Like real pot, it gets the user high. Unlike it, though, it’s totally legal and unregulated. Fake pot often is sold in little packets or in small vials, like these which were purchased at two different stores in Northeast Mississippi. They’re labeled as herbal incense, but people smoke the mixture as they would marijuana. (Thomas Wells)
TUPELO – A legal substance mimicking marijuana has found its way to Northeast Mississippi and into the hands of anyone who wants to pay about $10 for it.

Called by many names – Spice, Genie, K2 and Summit, among the most common – the fake weed is sold openly at tobacco shops and convenience stores labeled as herbal incense.

The Daily Journal found it in Saltillo, Tupelo and Verona. It’s also available online.

Like marijuana, users roll it in cigarette papers or put it in a pipe, then smoke it to get high. Unlike marijuana, it’s unregulated and still legal throughout most of the United States and in Mississippi.

But that could change.

Law enforcement officials in Tupelo and across the state are starting to seek bans of the synthetic weed, which they say poses the same dangers as its real counterpart.

Some say the fake pot potentially holds more risk, because it’s manufactured overseas with a variety of chemical compounds.

“It sounds more dangerous than the real thing,” said Ward 5 City Councilman Jonny Davis, who supports a local ban.

According to the American Association of Poison Control Centers, the herbal weed causes a fast heart rate, confusion, nausea, anxiety and high blood pressure.

Ban before school starts

The city of Tupelo wants to ban the substance before the next school year gets into full swing. Police Chief Tony Carleton said it’s too easy for kids to get.

But while merchants report brisk sales, officials elsewhere in the community said they’ve had little contact with or knowledge of the substance.

North Mississippi Medical Center spokeswoman Deborah Pugh said the hospital emergency room hasn’t seen anyone with a problem from its use.

Nor has Spice been present in the schools, according to Lee County Schools Superintendent Mike Scott and Capt. Ikey Carmack, captain of the school resource officers for the Tupelo Police Department.

Lt. Paul Howell, assistant commander of the Northeast Mississippi Narcotics Unit, said the unit has received only one complaint about Spice, which was filed by a parent in Tupelo.

Carleton recommended adopting an ordinance similar to those passed last month in Horn Lake and Southaven. Both of those communities have made it a misdemeanor to buy, sell, use or possess the product in any amount.

Violators can face anywhere from $1,000 to $2,500 in fines and up to six months in jail.

The two Memphis suburbs were the first in Mississippi to ban Spice. Gautier and Moss Point on the Gulf Coast followed suit this month. Natchez also is considering it.

Statewide bans also have occurred in Alabama, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri and Tennessee. Lawmakers in Mississippi haven’t yet passed a law but are under pressure to do so soon.

In the meantime, merchants say they’ll continue to sell the fake weed while they still can.

“We’re going to sell it until they ban it,” said Wayne Piatt, who owns K’s Tobacco & Brew in Saltillo.

Piatt said he began carrying the products a few months ago after numerous requests from customers. Since then, it has been “extremely popular,” he said.

The store now carries one of the region’s largest selections of synthetic weed. It boasts an assortment of vials and packets, all of which are labeled as incense and “not for human consumption.”

Piatt acknowledges people do smoke it, and he said he cards all would-be buyers to make sure they’re at least 18 years old. He also doesn’t sell to high-school kids, regardless of age.

“We don’t sell to kids,” he said. “We also don’t sell paraphernalia” like pipes or bongs.

Getting a buzz

According to people who have smoked Spice, it produces a short, but intense, high. Others have compared it to a marijuana-like buzz, but not as pleasant.

JaMichael Harris, who said he smoked marijuana for years, said he frequently uses Spice. It doesn’t give the same high as marijuana, he said, but it gives the smoker a high nonetheless.

“It’s not a long-lasting high like one you get from weed, but it will get you pretty buzzed,” he said.

“I don’t think they should ban it though, because there is worse stuff out there people can be smoking.”

Harris usually buys Spice or its variations at one of the region’s top spots for the substance, Super C Tobacco and Beverage in Verona.

Clerk Summer Reese said she also has used the substance, just to see what the fuss was about.

“I tried it once, but I didn’t like it,” she said. “It tasted awful.”

Reese said the store began carrying it a few months ago, and it has quickly become a popular item. In a typical five-hour shift, she said, she’ll sell about 20-30 packets. It costs about $10 per gram.

Part of its attraction, she said, is that it’s legal and doesn’t show up on drug tests.

“I don’t think it should be banned,” Reese said. “It’s just herbs. It’s natural. Plus, if you ban it, people are just going to buy the real kind.”

Tupelo’s ban wouldn’t affect K’s or Super C’s, but many said it’s only a matter of time before other communities and the state itself crack down.

Tupelo’s ordinance would, however, affect sales at the Super Store and Deli on the corner of Lawndale Drive and Ida Street. It began carrying two types of Spice this month after customers started asking for it.

Clerk Kathy Duhr said she won’t complain about the ban. A self-described “walking, talking Christian,” Duhr said drugs of all kinds have tarnished the neighborhood and Spice is just the latest one.

But while she applauds the city’s attempt to outlaw it, Duhr said it won’t stop the problem.

“I agree with the ban in principle, but in practice it won’t work,” she said. “People are just going to find something else.”


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strictly seedleSs

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I know the military is having any of the troops that are caught with it get a urine sample backward tested. They dont have a piss test for it yet, but they want one baaaaaad. I know quite a few people who smoke the stuff because they hav piss tests for work. I did it when I worked off shore because I could pass a piss test, and smoke it on the rig I worked on. I loved the shit just for the fact that I could smoke it after work, because living offshore sucks, but getting high made it a little better.
 

Sgt. Floyd

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Its real. Its banned in several states so far.

I had no interest in the stuff before I found it was being sold less than 2 miles from my house. Of course when I found out from the news how dangerous it was I had to go buy some.
 

strictly seedleSs

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Of course when I found out from the news how dangerous it was I had to go buy some.
Of course. Most people have no clue about this stuff, until they hear about it on the local news at 8. This pic is the chemical that makes all this possible. JWH-018, I know its banned in georgia now. They sell this stuff as a bonsai tree growth mutrient.

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KlosetKing

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only thing that scares me is how little we really know about it. it is NOT the same safe chemical we have enjoyed for over 10,000 years, it just fits the same receptor in the brain for it. i also dont like how anywhere in my area only offers it for 50 bucks for an eighth. thats street price for fuckin weed, and weed has a longer lasting, more enjoyable high (imo).
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
It is rediculous that they are even trying ot ban it.. I have not heard of any deaths nor serious injury, no problems with addiction (especially in comparison to the 80% of Americans that ingest caffeine daily and the ~40% of Americans that smoke cigarettes daily), I don't see any serious potential for harm, and it does not fall under the Federal Analog Act. The government needs to fuck off on this one.

I know the military is having any of the troops that are caught with it get a urine sample backward tested. They dont have a piss test for it yet, but they want one baaaaaad.
Your work may not be able to test for it, but the military's gc/ms piss testing sure as hell can... maybe you should look into erowid's law section for JWH-xxx's.
 

napa23

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It is rediculous that they are even trying ot ban it.. I have not heard of any deaths nor serious injury, no problems with addiction (especially in comparison to the 80% of Americans that ingest caffeine daily and the ~40% of Americans that smoke cigarettes daily), I don't see any serious potential for harm, and it does not fall under the Federal Analog Act. The government needs to fuck off on this one.
Just because you havent heard any deaths or illnesses from it doesn't mean it's not dangerous. I personally don't know anything about it. Studies take a long time to figure out long term effects. Weed is established as safe. Is this?
 

ganjaluvr

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I've heard about the kiddies going out and smoking incense.. which is fucking ignorant. I mean, your just asking for trouble.

but, kids will be kids I guess.

They can't help it.. they're stupid and immature. ;)

that's my 2cents on it.
 

phenix white

Active Member
yep i tried that spice shit it was lame..it gave me a buzz head change a lil depth for a bout 20mins..i had to smoke 2 bowls to feel it then when i wanted to smoke it again it didnt do shit no matter how much i smoked..personally it tasted horrible like sweet embaleming fluid..it just gave me a sickly errie feeling the taste alone!
 

KlosetKing

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I've heard about the kiddies going out and smoking incense.. which is fucking ignorant. I mean, your just asking for trouble.

but, kids will be kids I guess.

They can't help it.. they're stupid and immature. ;)

that's my 2cents on it.
iam not sure how to actually take this post, so ill point it out just in case. you do realize no one is pretending to actually think its incense right? its not like smoking a stick of NagChampa. this is a bag of shake, often just random plant material, that is sprayed with the specific chemical itself. the sellers knew what they were selling, and buyers know (at least most) that they arent buying incense.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Just because you havent heard any deaths or illnesses from it doesn't mean it's not dangerous. I personally don't know anything about it. Studies take a long time to figure out long term effects. Weed is established as safe. Is this?
So far, JWH-018 has been studied to potentially become a transdermal analgesic.. they have also done various screens to show that it is not carcinogenic:

http://www.mindfully.org/JWH/JWH-018/JWH-018-Toxicity-Results.htm

If you check PubMed I think there is some info there as well.. you'd have to look for articles about cannabinoid-agonists, aminoalkylindoles, naphthoylindole, phenylacetylindole, etc.
 

strictly seedleSs

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Like I said, if you get piss tested, then you might enjoy this stuff. You can spray the JWH on anything you smoke. Some of the herbs they use in the commercial stuff tastes like ass. Its pretty easy to make yourself, and you know whats going into it.
 

morfin56

New Member
shit i never had the chance to try them, that sucks. i heard im not missing out on much so that is cool.
 
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