Friends are trying to get me to consider dropping
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CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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To each their own
But don't forget, not only is the brain affected, but the mind, soul and spirit also
Fuzzbutter
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To each their own
Again...to each their own..but there is solid scientific backing that shows acid messes with your brain. Not saying it's bad, but it is a fact.
Fuzzbutter
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Here's my thing, if it's natural, no problem shrooms/salvia/that cactus thing...ect. LSD/Acid IS NOT natural. It's a synthetic chemical that was developed by the US military originally as an attempt at a truth serum...yea...no thank you...
Fuzzbutter
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I'm not saying there is, I'm just saying that if it's not natural, it's something you shouldn't ingest. I feel the same way about all the chemicals in cigarettes. What I had to deal with while tripping on PCP was enough. I got that while mind opening and understanding and everything flooding in and making sense sensation. I remember it. My mind has been opened and I am fine with it staying closed to chemicals.
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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I understand what your saying.. But what doesn't 'mess' with your brain? Vaccines, the aspartame in our soda, hormones in our meat and veggies without our consent... I choose to use Lucy, among other psychs that 'mess' with my brain for positive enlightenment and spiritual development. Combined with my rudimentary meditation I have become a healthier individual as a result.
And just because you see fit to feed into the drug war paradigm, please don't infect our discussions with blatant paranoid propaganda. If you continue to do research you'll find it's also fact that LSD is one of the safest chemicals physiologically and can be used to treat addiction and cluster headaches. That's a fact, also.
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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Please get your facts straight.. And though in its purest form LSD is not natural persé, it is an analogue from a natural fungus called ergot. Obviously you have zero knowledge on the subject.. just assumptions..
Fuzzbutter
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Actually I've been researching it for years. Since I was 14. I used to want to do it. My brother's done it, tons of people i know have done it. So just because I don't approve doesn't mean I am ignorant. In fact...bit of an ignorant statement to make considering a discussion is when both people can give their views and evidence to prove a point. Just because there's some good things written about something doesn't mean it's good and vice versa for things being bad. I've seen the harm it can do. CAN being the key word there. Pretty much anything you ingest that is not necessary to basic survival CAN have negative effects. Take food for example, it's "good" for us, we do need it to survive, but the US currently has an obesity epidemic because they're eating too much, making something necessary now bad. So I do know my facts and I'm not just some brainwashed "drugs are bad" drone. So I am not "infecting" your discussion, I just have different views than you and I'm sorry if you don't like them, but they are just as valid as yours.
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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Well, your points are moot if your basing them on your bad research, in turn making you ignorant, yes. I'm not basing my statements on you not approving anything. I agreed with you initially. It's not for everyone, indeed. But when false statements are made I am obligated to interject.
First, the US government had nothing to do with its development. A chemist named Dr. Albert Hoffman from a Swiss company named Sandoz accidentally stumbled upon LSD while studying the analogues from the rye fungus ergot. These are the most basic of facts on LSD. This is why I don't believe you have done your homework, therefore assume you have no idea what you're debating.
Edit: And to add to your other points, of course there can be negative effects. I acknowledge it. No one is debating that. But when you approach a discussion with uninformed statements you do indeed seem like a 'drone' as you put it. Don't believe the hype and do your own good research. Only then will you able to form your own informed opinions. I know I'm coming off like a dick and I apologize for my harshness, but I find it hard to tolerate ignorance.
Fuzzbutter
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It's not ignorance when there are pieces of fact. Not everything is as black and white as it would seem. There really is never a right answer to anything, however, the US government DID have something to do with it, they just aren't the only ones and not the first, but they definitely helped develop it into what it has become today.
V 8 ENGINES
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LISTEN BROTHER-- go with anc-- he is totally spot on.
Your brain needs to be content and problem free to drop and enjoy it/tollerate it. We used to get good liquid hits. for the kids that were a little worried, they took a 1/4 hit and slowly became comfortable. the real question is "WHAT WILL YOU GAIN OUT OF THIS EXPERIENCE?" are you just doing it to check it off your list?
Yes, you could be changed negatively forever -- dont listen to the naysers-- the shit CAN AND WILL MAKE YOU CRAZY. however i have done it frequently, often mixed with mushrooms or mescaline and loved it. but quite literally my brain and spirit can no longer use these things.
reality trips me out-- be safe man and tell us what you decide
-v8
Your brain needs to be content and problem free to drop and enjoy it/tollerate it. We used to get good liquid hits. for the kids that were a little worried, they took a 1/4 hit and slowly became comfortable. the real question is "WHAT WILL YOU GAIN OUT OF THIS EXPERIENCE?" are you just doing it to check it off your list?
Yes, you could be changed negatively forever -- dont listen to the naysers-- the shit CAN AND WILL MAKE YOU CRAZY. however i have done it frequently, often mixed with mushrooms or mescaline and loved it. but quite literally my brain and spirit can no longer use these things.
reality trips me out-- be safe man and tell us what you decide
-v8
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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Jesus, 'can and will' make you crazy? With responsible use insanity will certainly be averted.
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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Please enlighten me, Fuzz. I've never heard of the US assisting in the development of LSD. And afaik the LSD molecule had never been tweaked in the way you describe. It's perfect the way it is
Fuzzbutter
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Clearly......
CaNNaBiZ CaNucK
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Clearly what..
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And where is this evidence to support your previous comment? What role did the US play? You have me interested..
gogrow
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taken from elsewhere....
LSD is a very potent drug, but is physically quite safe and non-toxic. The dangers are purely psychological in nature. The experience while on acid may release latent psychosis or provoke depression, leading to irrational behavior. The so-called LSD psychosis has been linked to forms of schizophrenia, and thus to some physiological disorders; therefore, it appears to be dependent on the user, and not on the drug. On the contrary, the drug offers a great potential for spiritual contact, self-exploration, and conscious expansion of the mind. LSD dissolves boundaries which form the construct of our reality. These boundaries are erected as a result of socially inherent and egocentric views of the universe around us. For one to be able to see beyond the social man-made distinctions imposed upon us in our everyday physical existence, and to question the nature of one’s own mind, is, as far as I’m concerned, the greatest vision imaginable to human comprehension.
here's the link to the full text for you guys that have no clue about this drug...
http://www.gaianxaos.com/lsd.htm
LSD is a very potent drug, but is physically quite safe and non-toxic. The dangers are purely psychological in nature. The experience while on acid may release latent psychosis or provoke depression, leading to irrational behavior. The so-called LSD psychosis has been linked to forms of schizophrenia, and thus to some physiological disorders; therefore, it appears to be dependent on the user, and not on the drug. On the contrary, the drug offers a great potential for spiritual contact, self-exploration, and conscious expansion of the mind. LSD dissolves boundaries which form the construct of our reality. These boundaries are erected as a result of socially inherent and egocentric views of the universe around us. For one to be able to see beyond the social man-made distinctions imposed upon us in our everyday physical existence, and to question the nature of one’s own mind, is, as far as I’m concerned, the greatest vision imaginable to human comprehension.
here's the link to the full text for you guys that have no clue about this drug...
http://www.gaianxaos.com/lsd.htm
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