flood and drain table vs. 5 gall buckets with net pot lids

bassman999

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On my next grow I wanna do a different setup than soil.

I want to see the differences between these 2 choices of hydro and the type of results and any pros and cons ppl from who have actually done them can tell me.
 

drgreentm

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you should specify a little more. how many plants you are trying to acquire, space you are working with, lights you are using ect. 5 gal buckets require quite a bit of space i have done both ways and can tell you i fit allot more in a 2x4 ebb tray then any six buckets can hold so for pro's and con's it all depends o and the buckets can be a bitch to do res changes in. here are a few pics of my six girls in buckets and my 11 in a single ebb but both DWC and ebb&flow are good systems just depends on what you are working with.
 

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bassman999

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you should specify a little more. how many plants you are trying to acquire, space you are working with, lights you are using ect. 5 gal buckets require quite a bit of space i have done both ways and can tell you i fit allot more in a 2x4 ebb tray then any six buckets can hold so for pro's and con's it all depends o and the buckets can be a bitch to do res changes in.
I have 26 plants now in soil, and 2 600's and a 400 hps. I have as much room as my lights will support plus much extra. I want bigger plants, and figured the 5 gal buckets would give me that with all that root-mass room.
The res change is a good point though.

I want the most yield I can support with my lighting I currently have (dont we all always want more though).
 

drgreentm

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ya those 6 buckets i had were a pain to do water changes in and was the spark for the change for me but you can definitely have a bigger plant in buckets if thats what you are aiming for but the way i see it more plants more yield even if they are a little smaller lol sure people will disagree with me though lol
 

bassman999

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I planned on doing a setup with a single res probably, not sure how you did it?

How big of a flood and drain table could I support with my lights?
 

drgreentm

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well in sog its usually at the least 5000 lumens per square foot at the least so for a 4x4 ebb tray you would need about 80,000 lumens a 600 watt puts out about 90,000 from 1' away from the canopy so thats about perfect i could easily put 32 plants in two trays with 2 600w's and get a great yield i run 2 2x4 trays with 400w's and its working great.
 

bassman999

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you should specify a little more. how many plants you are trying to acquire, space you are working with, lights you are using ect. 5 gal buckets require quite a bit of space i have done both ways and can tell you i fit allot more in a 2x4 ebb tray then any six buckets can hold so for pro's and con's it all depends o and the buckets can be a bitch to do res changes in. here are a few pics of my six girls in buckets and my 11 in a single ebb but both DWC and ebb&flow are good systems just depends on what you are working with.
those are some really healthy looking plants! I am surprised of the size of them in those small pots aw well...impressed!
 

bassman999

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well in sog its usually at the least 5000 lumens per square foot at the least so for a 4x4 ebb tray you would need about 80,000 lumens a 600 watt puts out about 90,000 from 1' away from the canopy so thats about perfect i could easily put 32 plants in two trays with 2 600w's and get a great yield i run 2 2x4 trays with 400w's and its working great.
that sound good, what kinda yield could I expect from that?

Are you are saying that I could buy a 4'x8' with my lights and 32 plants would be cool then (in a sog)?
(1) 4x8 is cheaper than (2) 4x4 ones.
 

drgreentm

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thanks im actually suprised my 400w's are doing it for them. was going to go out and replace them with 600's but said nevermind they are doing just fine
 

drgreentm

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that sound good, what kinda yield could I expect from that?

you are saying that I could buy a 4'x8' with my lights and 32 plants would be cool then (in a sog)?
(1) 4x8 is cheaper than (2) 4x4 ones.
ya 1 4x8 is prably cheaper and i could easily see each plant pulling about 28g or more if done correctly so i would say on the low side of a not so good harvest expect around 2 lbs just off that tray and you still have a 400w too so geez could always do more if you wanted. do you have air cooled reflectors.
 

drgreentm

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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77825&page1 check out stoneys grow on ic its old but i have been following this dude's grow for a while now he uses 4x8 trays 2 trays end to end with 2 600w's per 2 trays on light movers so your 2 600's would really pack on some weight. don't quote me on this but pretty sure he said he got about 3.5 lbs per tray and wasn't satisfied.
 

bassman999

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I would be happy with 3.5 lbs on 2 600's 4 sure!!

I have one that can take a glass to air cool, and other one is a bat wing, so cant cool that one. Oh and the 400 is a bat wing as well. Right now my area needs heat and the one with a glass is open to heat the room. I guess closer spacing would deem venting important. Currently about 18" or so away.
 

jrinlv

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3 1/2 lbs. of 2 600 watts, is killer, but it sounds like he is getting 3.5 from each tray so 7 pounds!!!! I call BS that would be 2.6 grams per watt. I have used light movers and for sure noticed a huge difference between a light sitting all over your plants and it passing it over it all day. I will look at that thread. JR
 

Malik24

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I am using 2 x 600 watt digitals from quantum with hps and 1 x 400 watt digital with mh. (I like the mix. especially for the fist couple of weeks of flowering). I have three 4x4 tables each table in various stages of flower. 20 plants per table in 8" flower pots. I use flood and drain with soil as my medium allowing the soil to wick up the water and roots to grow down. I flood every 2 days for 20 min. to allow the water to wick. Using digital timers. I have tried all other meathods and this one seems to yield more for me. I flood 3 times with 1800 ppm then once with 1000ppm and then once with tap water. Then start the process all over again. I have a second res. for my new girls so I can feed them separately. Easy control of the nutes in the res. First pick of new girls. Second pic of 30 days into flowering.DSC03587.jpgDSC03586.jpgDSC03585.jpgDSC03584.jpg
 

jrinlv

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Are you getting 7 pounds, or even 3.5 ? I mean your grow looks good I'm not knockin it at all, I am growing under a 600 now myself..Good look........JR
 

drgreentm

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Are you getting 7 pounds, or even 3.5 ? I mean your grow looks good I'm not knockin it at all, I am growing under a 600 now myself..Good look........JR
dont know if your asking me these questions but the answer if you are the link i gave as a reference is not i repeat NOT my grow and if you look at his grow he has everything he has 9600 watts in his flowering room alone thats 16 600W hps's burning 2 on light movers per two trays co2 i mean everything he is putting like 110 plants per tray just click the link and read its like a 30 page thread. and i said wasnt sure and not to quote me on the yield its been a while since i have been on there so like i said look for yourself and feel free to correct me if im wrong.
 

drgreentm

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3 1/2 lbs. of 2 600 watts, is killer, but it sounds like he is getting 3.5 from each tray so 7 pounds!!!! I call BS that would be 2.6 grams per watt. I have used light movers and for sure noticed a huge difference between a light sitting all over your plants and it passing it over it all day. I will look at that thread. JR
for the light movers not quite sure how you had yours set up but those are both 600's on a quick skim over the tops basically would be eliminating the need for a 3rd light so technically a 3rd light would be just as effective pretty sure he tries both ways and says there are same yield so if it was 3 600's it would be more like 1.7 grams per watt is that better
 

drgreentm

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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77825&page=3


here is another link if you didnt get the first one its post number 41 via stoney himself 3lbs 1oz per tray from 600's on movers so i stand corrected lol sorry and here is some pics of his setup again this is on (ic mag's forum via stoney original poster) if you can beat his setup my hats off to you lol.
 

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