DEA raids caregivers of America, Walled Lake...

[jimmernmi]

I think it is a shame that entrepreneurs pursuing an emerging market have to be subject to arrest. Their lives are going to be disrupted, their families turned upside down, all in the name of a silly war of authoritarianism on a plant.
With that said, there is no mention of dispensaries in the MMMA. They are not afforded the protection (granted the exception as Mrs Cooper says) of the voter approved law because of that. This law was about compassion, caregivers, patients and small scale grows...not profits, dispensaries and customers. Sen. Jones and Tim Beck can go soak their heads, because I will never pay taxes for my weed or subject myself to further regulation of a farm crop I produce for myself. If they wanted a tax and regulate law, try and get voters to pass it, leave ours alone! MOAB ABE!

 

[guy incognito]

That's a bit hypocritical of you, isn't it Buddy Ganja? I mean, weren't you just bragging in RikoSuave55's caregiver thread about how you give out free meds to your patients and make tremendous money by selling to dispensaries?

Who do you think they're gonna be investigating after the dispensary has been taken apart and gutted for every last bit of information they can squeeze from it and the employees?

I like this next question the best: Are you not slapping them in the face just as hard with your talk of sales to dispensaries and extravagant profits? I'm sure they read these threads too.

No. Diminishing returns. Did you see the menu this place had? Currently it lists 36 different strains plus medibles and tinctures and shit. That's an assload. I really doubt it's worth their time or resources to figure out every caregiver that unloaded a few extra oz to this place when there are websites that organize the bigger fish on a map with menus displayed.

He's not "slapping them in the face just as hard" either. The difference between buddy selling overages and this place selling $30/g by the assload is night and day.

I think it is a shame that entrepreneurs pursuing an emerging market have to be subject to arrest. Their lives are going to be disrupted, their families turned upside down, all in the name of a silly war of authoritarianism on a plant.
With that said, there is no mention of dispensaries in the MMMA. They are not afforded the protection (granted the exception as Mrs Cooper says) of the voter approved law because of that. This law was about compassion, caregivers, patients and small scale grows...not profits, dispensaries and customers. Sen. Jones and Tim Beck can go soak their heads, because I will never pay taxes for my weed or subject myself to further regulation of a farm crop I produce for myself. If they wanted a tax and regulate law, try and get voters to pass it, leave ours alone! MOAB ABE!

Thus the risk of entrepreneurial-ism. The flip side of that is that this d-bag was selling grams for $30 and laughing all the way to the bank. No weed should cost $30/g, or even remotely close to that even with overhead factored in. If he grammed out an entire ounce at that price he would bring in $840. That is absolutely absurd, I don't care how good the medicine is.

 

[rzza]

guy, you went there to buy meds? i never did. i did talk to one of the guys that worked there. he certainly didnt mention no #30 grams LOL

 

[guy incognito]

guy, you went there to buy meds? i never did. i did talk to one of the guys that worked there. he certainly didnt mention no #30 grams LOL

No. They have a menu on weedmaps.com. 14 strains are listed for $30/g, 8 for $25/g, 7 for $20/g, and 4 for $15/g.

I haven't purchased meds in many months. I grow my own. It would be nice to get a variety of different strains, and i'd be willing to pay a little more than normal to get that variety, but $30/g is ridiculous. I will not pay those prices. I doubt I will ever go to a dispensary until prices become more realistic.

 

[rzza]

yes i agree, way too pricey. UNLESS however, they did happen to get some wicked shit and the guy wouldnt come down from 420 an ounce. so they copped it and flippin it for double. i highly doubt thats the case though if they have LOL 14 strains at that price.
shit if i go there and buy a sack, and they have ONE strain at 30 a gram and it looks like something crazy ....id grab one.

when im out i can always find something for 325/170/90. this is at dispensaries too.

 

[LordWinter]

No. Diminishing returns. Did you see the menu this place had? Currently it lists 36 different strains plus medibles and tinctures and shit. That's an assload. I really doubt it's worth their time or resources to figure out every caregiver that unloaded a few extra oz to this place when there are websites that organize the bigger fish on a map with menus displayed.

Diminishing returns are for used equipment sales and products that deteriorate with age. You wanna claim DR on the medibles? Fine, I'll grant you that brownies and other foodstuffs get stale and/or spoil. Smoke-able pot, on the other hand? Not a chance. I've seen too many reports on the effects of aging on properly dried, cured, and jarred mj showing an increased couch-lock effect to even THINK of believing in DR there.

And nope, didn't bother to check out the menu because I CANNOT STAND DISPENSARIES. They exploit and abuse our law, artificially inflate prices, and give legitimate caregivers a bad rep by simple association. So honestly, I could care less if he had ONE ounce or a HUNDRED, in my eyes, he deserves what he gets because he operated a dispensary, plain and simple.

Is Buddy Ganja too small a fish? Perhaps he is, but you're a fool if you think that Casab's supply chain is not at least getting investigated, and that means unwanted eyes and ears on everything done by the people involved. Remember, the DEA treats large scale mmj growers no different than they treat drug smugglers.

Apparently you weren't able to read Buddy's post on exactly HOW MUCH his overages were every three months, before it got deleted. He was talking about something to the effect of at least TWO POUNDS.... AND he claimed a three month income on those overages that was more than my wife made in an entire year of product testing for Ford (Roush employee, Ford contract work) at $9/hr before the layoffs started. That's a lot more than the "few extra ounces" you thought he was offloading, huh? Still think he's such a little fish?

Even if the posts were deleted, there's still server logs somewhere, and that's an e-trail that can be followed right back to him.

He's not "slapping them in the face just as hard" either. The difference between buddy selling overages and this place selling $30/g by the assload is night and day.

Gotta call bullshit here, man. There's no provision in the law that allows us to do ANYTHING with overages. None whatsoever, so it falls back to the state law governing controlled substances, thus making any sale beyond those to patients for whom he is a registered caregiver, completely illegal. The ONLY LEGAL thing we can do with overages is to destroy them. Do I like that notion? HELL NO! Am I going to risk running afoul of the law by not managing my grow properly? Again... HELL NO!

So yeah, by putting that statement out there IN A PUBLIC FORUM, he's slapping them in the face just as hard as Casab did, because he's screaming to the free world that he's supporting dispensaries by selling them his extra product.

Overages have been discussed too many times on this site for it to even be an issue. I don't remember who said it, but it was said best when put like this: If you can't manage your grow well enough to ensure a steady supply without overages, you can't grow half as well as you think you can, no matter how good the quality of your pot. If you grow too much and sell your overages to dispensaries... well, you get what you get.

Thus the risk of entrepreneurial-ism. The flip side of that is that this d-bag was selling grams for $30 and laughing all the way to the bank. No weed should cost $30/g, or even remotely close to that even with overhead factored in. If he grammed out an entire ounce at that price he would bring in $840. That is absolutely absurd, I don't care how good the medicine is.

Now here's some common ground for us, Guy. This is EXACTLY why I cannot stand dispensaries. You're right, it is "absolutely absurd", no matter the quality of the medicine.

Edit: Buddy Ganja's grow info wasn't deleted, it can be found in post #4 in the following thread: https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/416112-caregiver-looking-2-patients-ann.html

 

[guy incognito]

Diminishing returns are for used equipment sales and products that deteriorate with age. You wanna claim DR on the medibles? Fine, I'll grant you that brownies and other foodstuffs get stale and/or spoil. Smoke-able pot, on the other hand? Not a chance. I've seen too many reports on the effects of aging on properly dried, cured, and jarred mj showing an increased couch-lock effect to even THINK of believing in DR there.

And nope, didn't bother to check out the menu because I CANNOT STAND DISPENSARIES. They exploit and abuse our law, artificially inflate prices, and give legitimate caregivers a bad rep by simple association. So honestly, I could care less if he had ONE ounce or a HUNDRED, in my eyes, he deserves what he gets because he operated a dispensary, plain and simple.

Is Buddy Ganja too small a fish? Perhaps he is, but you're a fool if you think that Casab's supply chain is not at least getting investigated, and that means unwanted eyes and ears on everything done by the people involved. Remember, the DEA treats large scale mmj growers no different than they treat drug smugglers.

Apparently you weren't able to read Buddy's post on exactly HOW MUCH his overages were every three months, before it got deleted. He was talking about something to the effect of at least TWO POUNDS.... AND he claimed a three month income on those overages that was more than my wife made in an entire year of product testing for Ford (Roush employee, Ford contract work) at $9/hr before the layoffs started. That's a lot more than the "few extra ounces" you thought he was offloading, huh? Still think he's such a little fish?

Even if the posts were deleted, there's still server logs somewhere, and that's an e-trail that can be followed right back to him.



Gotta call bullshit here, man. There's no provision in the law that allows us to do ANYTHING with overages. None whatsoever, so it falls back to the state law governing controlled substances, thus making any sale beyond those to patients for whom he is a registered caregiver, completely illegal. The ONLY LEGAL thing we can do with overages is to destroy them. Do I like that notion? HELL NO! Am I going to risk running afoul of the law by not managing my grow properly? Again... HELL NO!

So yeah, by putting that statement out there IN A PUBLIC FORUM, he's slapping them in the face just as hard as Casab did, because he's screaming to the free world that he's supporting dispensaries by selling them his extra product.

Overages have been discussed too many times on this site for it to even be an issue. I don't remember who said it, but it was said best when put like this: If you can't manage your grow well enough to ensure a steady supply without overages, you can't grow half as well as you think you can, no matter how good the quality of your pot. If you grow too much and sell your overages to dispensaries... well, you get what you get.



Now here's some common ground for us, Guy. This is EXACTLY why I cannot stand dispensaries. You're right, it is "absolutely absurd", no matter the quality of the medicine.

Edit: Buddy Ganja's grow info wasn't deleted, it can be found in post #4 in the following thread: https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/416112-caregiver-looking-2-patients-ann.html

DR for the dea I mean. Lot's of effort to nab each and every supplier to the dispensary. Buddy can only supply a fraction of the product at any given dispensary, by definition the largest fraction being 1. So he is necessarily a smaller fish than the disp he is supplying. No I didn't see how much he was supplying. 2lbs is indeed a lot of dope.

There's no provision in the law to allow you to do anything with your overages, but that doesn't mean there aren't degrees of seriousness with crimes, or differences in your odds of being caught. Buddy is talking on a public forum, and that may draw attention to him, if they can figure out who he even is. I think he has a better chance of being found out through the dispensary he sold to rather than this thread.

 

[LordWinter]

DR for the dea I mean. Lot's of effort to nab each and every supplier to the dispensary. Buddy can only supply a fraction of the product at any given dispensary, by definition the largest fraction being 1. So he is necessarily a smaller fish than the disp he is supplying. No I didn't see how much he was supplying. 2lbs is indeed a lot of dope.

There's no provision in the law to allow you to do anything with your overages, but that doesn't mean there aren't degrees of seriousness with crimes, or differences in your odds of being caught. Buddy is talking on a public forum, and that may draw attention to him, if they can figure out who he even is. I think he has a better chance of being found out through the dispensary he sold to rather than this thread.

Now we're on the same page, and my apologies for the misunderstanding. It does take a lot of effort, and for the "few ounces" you mentioned in the post I initially replied to, I totally agree, he'd most likely be too small a fish to prosecute unless someone just wanted to set an example for future dispensary suppliers (I do acknowledge that this would require a vindictive prosecutor, however). However, like you said, 2lbs is a lot of dope, and I think we can both agree that makes him a bigger than ordinary fish.

Your second paragraph is pretty dead-on, though I would disagree on the "if they can figure out who he is" part. Unless some things have been changed/overturned, I do believe that it would be relatively easy for them to track him via his IP address and warrants for a few server logs. Not that much legwork since most of it can be done from a computer desk, the prime exception being the warrants... as they'd need to be physically served (educated guess here) to get the server logs. But overall, I do agree that he has a better chance of getting busted through the dispensary rather than this site, but the risk is still there.

 

[Buddy Ganga]

Winter,

Save your fear mongering bullshit for future patients man, I'm educated and informed so that silly shit doesn't work with me.
You guys talk out of both sides of your necks and you know it.

How in the hell can you say you follow the book while claiming the book has so many grey areas ?
I'm at risk for my posts but none of you are ?
How can you claim I'm breaking the law that you also claim has so many grey areas ?


"There's no provision in the law to allow you to do anything with your overages, but that doesn't mean there aren't degrees of seriousness with crimes, or differences in your odds of being caught. Buddy is talking on a public forum, and that may draw attention to him, if they can figure out who he even is. I think he has a better chance of being found out through the dispensary he sold to rather than this thread. "

Educate yourself man, I'm getting tired of doing every one's research for them.
You can talk all you want about whats "not written in the law", but I can't let you get away with not accepting what is clearly written.
This is the only way a qualifying patient or qualifying caregiver can get into trouble for transferring meds.
Note the use of the term "Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver".

(k) Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver who sells marihuana to someone who is not allowed to use marihuana for medical purposes under this act shall have his or her registry identification card revoked and is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both, in addition to any other penalties for the distribution of marihuana.

Now, before you try and argue that, make sure you know what the restrictions are to be an employee/worker at a dispensary.
I'll help you out, they MUST be a registered patients or registered caregivers, so my transactions which are called transfers are completely legal.

(i) A person shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, solely for being in the presence or vicinity of the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, or for assisting a registered qualifying patient with using or administering marihuana.

Now before you try and argue that one, you might want to look up the definition of "medical use".

Here, I'll post it for you. It applies applies to (k) as being the other side of the spectrum. One says what you can do, and the other clearly shows what you can do!

(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

 

[LordWinter]

You're not slick enough to make me believe that nonsense, Buddy Ganja. Let's see how well educated you think you are once I'm done here.

1.) Save your fear mongering bullshit for future patients man, I'm educated and informed so that silly shit doesn't work with me.

So, explaining to people that our legal system is an adversarial system where the citizen has to fight tooth and nail in the courts to preserve rights that are constantly taken away in the name of "Justice", "Preservation of Freedom" and, my personal favorite... "Our protection" is fear-mongering? If explaining to them that the prosecuting attourney's duty is to PUT YOU IN JAIL, NOT PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE FOR YOU is fear-mongering, then sure, I'm guilty as charged. Since it's so silly, too, I must be the fucking king of comedy, eh?

2.) You guys talk out of both sides of your necks and you know it.

Ouch, that really hurt, I think I'm gonna have to up the dosage of my meds to compensate for the complete loss of my ego. Oh wait, I'm not on meds and you're actually full of shit.

3.) How in the hell can you say you follow the book while claiming the book has so many grey areas?

That one is REALLY simple, Buddy Ganja. You just have to do ONLY what you're told you CAN under the law, and not try to squeeze your ass through every loophole you think you've found.

4.) I'm at risk for my posts but none of you are?

We're all at a certain level of risk just by being here on this site. YOU however, have made a spectacle of yourself by bragging in other threads about how much you earn by selling to dispensaries.

5.) How can you claim I'm breaking the law that you also claim has so many grey areas?

Another no-brainer here. State, County, and City law enforcement will operate under the assumption that anything NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED IN THE LAW is illegal, and WHEN you're busted, you'll not only be tried under the laws that govern non-medical distribution, you'll be defending your actions before a judge who will likely be unimpressed by your short-sighted and terribly misinformed interpretations of the law, and may just forward your case to the feds so they can squeeze you for info about the dispensary, if it's not shut down by the time they get around to raiding your sorry ass.

6.)"There's no provision in the law to allow you to do anything with your overages, but that doesn't mean there aren't degrees of seriousness with crimes, or differences in your odds of being caught. Buddy is talking on a public forum, and that may draw attention to him, if they can figure out who he even is. I think he has a better chance of being found out through the dispensary he sold to rather than this thread. "

Already responded to this comment, if you're too lazy to read it before you run your mouth, not my fault or problem.

7.) Educate yourself man, I'm getting tired of doing every one's research for them.

This coming from someone who will soon see he doesn't know half of what he thinks he does about the law.

8.) You can talk all you want about whats "not written in the law", but I can't let you get away with not accepting what is clearly written.
This is the only way a qualifying patient or qualifying caregiver can get into trouble for transferring meds.
Note the use of the term "Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver".

(k) Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver who sells marihuana to someone who is not allowed to use marihuana for medical purposes under this act shall have his or her registry identification card revoked and is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both, in addition to any other penalties for the distribution of marihuana.

Now, before you try and argue that, make sure you know what the restrictions are to be an employee/worker at a dispensary.
I'll help you out, they MUST be a registered patients or registered caregivers, so my transactions which are called transfers are completely legal.

(i) A person shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, solely for being in the presence or vicinity of the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, or for assisting a registered qualifying patient with using or administering marihuana.

Now before you try and argue that one, you might want to look up the definition of "medical use".

Here, I'll post it for you. It applies applies to (k) as being the other side of the spectrum. One says what you can do, and the other clearly shows what you can do!

(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

By your own words and quotes, you've completely made my point for me. Congratulations on proving that we're not guilty by association just for hanging out with friends who are patients or caregivers.

Apparently, you've missed a few very important words in section (i), and your entire argument hinged on that section supporting your claims. Now, I have to admit, you almost had me on this one, then I noticed the specific exception given to "a person" under that heading. That exception is not for your precious transfers as you would love to believe, instead it prevents prosecution "Solely for being IN THE PRESENCE OR VICINITY of the medical use of marijuana in accordance with this act, or for assisting a registered qualifying patient with using or administering marijuana."

I actually LOVE this part of the law. It means that I'm NOT GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION if a hypothetical "patient friend" gets raided for growing his own pot, and it even says that I can assist him in his usage of HIS medical pot. So, in a nutshell, I can hang with him, I can roll him a joint or load him a bowl, cook his brownies, make his cannabutter, hell... I can even hold his pipe to his lips and put the flame to it while he inhales!, BUT I CANNOT GROW, PURCHASE FOR HIM, NOR CAN I SELL TO HIM LEGALLY IF I AM NOT A REGISTERED CAREGIVER WHO SERVICES HIM AS MY REGISTERED PATIENT!

Like I said, I'll give you credit for being confusing as hell while you misinterpreted the law to suit your needs and desires, but ultimately, it's your ass that's gonna get busted, not mine.

 

[rzza]

buddy ganja in here fightin with people....no way ...

 

[LordWinter]

I think this is day three of this nonsense. Dude's an improvisational genius with grows, I love his threads about wasted potential and ideas that can save money, but he's got no clue about the law. This shit is so screwed up that you can't just scan through it and understand a damn thing, you LITERALLY have to pause and consider every single word just to make sense of it. Every time I read through I find something new that I missed. Now I know why fucking lawyers get paid so damn much.

Edit: Correction, it's only day two. :sigh:

 

[deprave]

legal or not on state level its illegal on federal level, selling weed should be approached with great caution because it is a higher crime and so is growing it - you should take a lot of caution if you decide to do it, not selling to dispensaries well thats a pretty darn good rule to make for your own safety in my opinion. If you choose to take a risk or not and what risks you take thats your purgative. It is essential to assess the risk of each individual situation and keep sharp and vigilant.

 

[LordWinter]

Agreed, deprave. For some reason, Buddy Ganja doesn't seem to grasp that fact. Maybe he'll figure it out when LEO kicks his door, and possibly even his teeth in, because he's been trumpeting this nonsense around so much.

 

[rasputin71]

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Edit: Correction, it's only day two. :sigh:

It has been going on much longer than that.