Men under 30 have been unintentionally brought up as libertarians

[deprave]

I have to disagree with you because I believe libertarian philosophy is what we need to make a shift in the right direction, I think you use the word doctrine there to try and push your argument that it is some entire new radical way of life that will be pushed upon us full force all at once. And then finally you claim that you understand economics and school taught you to understand economics is a bit far fetched, My economics proffesor said he never really fully understood it until just before he finished his doctorate. Not many people fully understand economics.

 

[WillyBagseed]

Do any of you even know who finances the Tea Party ?

The Koch brothers....... lol Wonder why they like deregulation...........

Bunch of young guns drinking the old white guys kool-aide... whilst they are raping and taking all your $$ to the bank.


I am pushing 50, I probably finished college before you were born. Class of '80 HS Class of '84 college. I have 3 kids 31, 29 and 16. I was in the USAF 1980 - 84 and went to college full time at the same time.

 

[deprave]

Good call, yes the tea party has been hijacked by bandits, what more would you expect from them? But the spirit of the tea party initially was about the people.

 

[WillyBagseed]

Good call, yes the tea party has been hijacked by bandits, what more would you expect from them? But the spirit of the tea party initially was about the people.

Agreed, and they were for reform not full blown deregulation and insanity, but that was 2008/09

Do not get me wrong, our government is allllllll messed up at the moment. IMO, pure libertarian (ism) ? economic policy will do nothing more than help the rich that are greedy, f*ck us without even giving us a kiss first.

The Dems are ball less and spineless and a little overboard on some regulations.

The Republicans are all about the $$$$$$$

Something must be done but without handing what is left of our great country over to the greedy nutbags.

*notice I tried to leave out "doctrine", I didn't mean it to come across the way you took it.

 

[deprave]

Fullblown deregulation and insanity? Sounds to good to ever be true, you know what they say about stuff that sounds to good to be true right? Its the libertarian ideas that would push back toward the people, not some kind of radical anarchists pipe dreams realized. Its getting more power to the people it not about doing blow off striper tits and cutting medicaid the day a libertarian is elected.

 

[BillyBobJoe]

I think freedom would be not having to go to work everyday for 8+ hours and still have to try and pay the bills. Where would I be with freedom? In debt probably.

 

[deprave]

and I think in a truly free market certain people would not horde the money, there would be more 'rich'(more entrepreneurship)because starting having a successful business would be much easier, these rich would actually hire more people and competition would increase, and taxes will be lower, we wouldn't need to work "8+ hours a day" because we wouldn't live check to check and we could actually save money and keep what we earn. Then we could have a strong middle class that the democrats are always raving about but actually they only damage the middle class, they really are a bunch of hypocrites, the democrats are all about giving to the rich and supporting large corporations as are the republicans.

Right now, the 20-30 something we are being hired in to jobs while they are laying off the older people or giving them early retirement, so that they can bring us in and pay us less money. They are taking advantage of the economy, not many NEW jobs are out there and there is MORE people looking for work so the result of this is borderline slavery as the cost of living increases, the cost to run a business increases, and taxes increase. If we stayed on this path then 300 years from now there will be one super corporation who we will all work for in sweat shops for rations.

 

[sync0s]

I think one of the biggest pushes for libertarianism was 9/11. Not only have we sat by and watched our rights get taken from us one after another, but there are so many gaping holes and lies that have come from the government that distrust for the government is not surprising at all.

 

[deprave]

yes sycos your right, here I sit at 28, I graduated highschool only a few months before 9/11 - I went to ground zero and it was all a big part of my life, as was the police in our schools ruining my friends futures(ultimately killing them in some cases), now we are finding it was all some kind of burecratic nightmare scam, all of this hardship has been put on us for what? a fairy tail? to take our rights? for power? for the banks? How do you think that makes us feel about big government? When at 18 we must pay them 40,000$ for "freedom". They don't give two shits about us, to buy into a system that robs from us? No thanks, I pay cash for everything, I own my own house and my own cars and never borrowed a dime.

 

[deprave]

[video=youtube;dlgh46Qr6es]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgh46Qr6es[/video]

 

[NoDrama]

A lot of veterans become libertarians after serving in a war. We seem to have more war than we ever have before.

 

[sync0s]

yes sycos your right, here I sit at 28, I graduated highschool only a few months before 9/11 - I went to ground zero and it was all a big part of my life, as was the police in our schools ruining my friends futures(ultimately killing them in some cases), now we are finding it was all some kind of burecratic nightmare scam, all of this hardship has been put on us for what? a fairy tail? to take our rights? for power? for the banks? How do you think that makes us feel about big government? When at 18 we must pay them 40,000$ for "freedom". They don't give two shits about us, to buy into a system that robs from us? No thanks, I pay cash for everything, I own my own house and my own cars and never borrowed a dime.

Not to mention the fact that we know that we are not going to be eligible for SS or medicare and yet we still have to pay more than those who are collecting did.

 

[deprave]

exactly, that is one of the more important things I should have mentioned, in 11th grade they told me I was one year off from getting social security. You older folks dont understand, We don't want this system, We do not accept this for it does not accept us, We have been against 'the man' from birth.

 

[txpete77]

exactly, that is one of the more important things I should have mentioned, in 11th grade they told me I was one year off from getting social security. You older folks don't understand, We don't want this system, We do not accept this for it does not accept us, We have been against 'the man' from birth.

Once I understood how social security actually works (around the age of 22), I came to accept that I will never see a dime of that money again. I've had FICA collected from me since the age of 12 (first job I was on an actual payroll). Knowing that pisses me off even more when you realize that it turns our parents and grandparents into unwitting moochers. To make matters worse, as the SS system collapses we will see those people take a more explicit role in the looting and mooching - when they demand to be taken care of at the cost of the younger generations.

Seeing how this started with the great generation, they don't look so great anymore. When I started looking at the history of progressivism I realized that they (and the prior generation) are much to blame for this mess by abandoning the principles of individualism. Most of them didn't see it, but I don't think that they cared to either way.

 

[mame]

So how do you propose grandma pays for her astronomically high medical expenses then? Surely she's old and frail and is essentially unfit for a job, but she can afford it right? What do you think will happen when the poorest segment of society gets too old to work and has no wealth built for a legitimate retirement?

 

[olylifter420]

fica fucks you over!!!!

Once I understood how social security actually works (around the age of 22), I came to accept that I will never see a dime of that money again. I've had FICA collected from me since the age of 12 (first job I was on an actual payroll). Knowing that pisses me off even more when you realize that it turns our parents and grandparents into unwitting moochers. To make matters worse, as the SS system collapses we will see those people take a more explicit role in the looting and mooching - when they demand to be taken care of at the cost of the younger generations.

Seeing how this started with the great generation, they don't look so great anymore. When I started looking at the history of progressivism I realized that they (and the prior generation) are much to blame for this mess by abandoning the principles of individualism. Most of them didn't see it, but I don't think that they cared to either way.

 

[Charlie Ventura]

So how do you propose grandma pays for her astronomically high medical expenses then? Surely she's old and frail and is essentially unfit for a job, but she can afford it right? What do you think will happen when the poorest segment of society gets too old to work and has no wealth built for a legitimate retirement?

They will have to do what was done prior to FDR's 1933 Socialist Revolution: The children will have to take them in and take care of them.

Its all about building values like personal responsibilities. There's an old saying mame ... "People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan."

 

[sync0s]

So how do you propose grandma pays for her astronomically high medical expenses then? Surely she's old and frail and is essentially unfit for a job, but she can afford it right? What do you think will happen when the poorest segment of society gets too old to work and has no wealth built for a legitimate retirement?

We should continue to honor the elderly for what they paid, I don't argue that. However, we need to stop the program there, and start teaching people to be responsible and save for retirement. There should be no safety net, after 45 years of working you should have built one yourself.

 

[txpete77]

We should continue to honor the elderly for what they paid, I don't argue that. However, we need to stop the program there, and start teaching people to be responsible and save for retirement. There should be no safety net, after 45 years of working you should have built one yourself.

The problem I see with that is the question 'who is to pay for it, and what will compensate those individuals?' FDR was right when he said, "no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program." This begs to ask if he really knew it would lead to this type of system. I believe he did. Charles Ponzi had pulled this scam only 15 years earlier, but on a much smaller scale.

 

[sync0s]

The problem I see with that is the question 'who is to pay for it, and what will compensate those individuals?' FDR was right when he said, "no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program." This begs to ask if he really knew it would lead to this type of system. I believe he did. Charles Ponzi had pulled this scam only 15 years earlier, but on a much smaller scale.

I think we're stuck with either phasing out while paying with tax dollars, or letting it collapse. I don't favor the idea of letting it collapse, we have created an environment where the elderly are dependent on it.