Where is the K in the super soil? i see none! why is this?

[Da Almighty Jew]

I wanna know why there is no K in this super soil? No kelp meal, green sand, nothing. Why is this??!?

 

[Joedank]

I add Peruvian seabird guano 10-10-2 and pelletized chicken shit 4-3-5 as additional bump in that direction I also cook like 90-100 days covered in bins with myco

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

i just don't see where the K is coming from? None in blood meal, fish bone meal, or bone meal and a little in guano. So where is this K in the suer soil? i dont see it

 

[symbiote420]

Wow I don't build a mix without those 2 nutes being added, good question.

 

[wheezer]

I havn't read the ingrediants lately, but doesn't it have greensand in it? I do something similar to SS, but a little different I think, I use GS, and I thought SS did ahve it too.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Lately I started using 5 lbs. of kelp meal per batch but I've ran the SS multiple times without it and have had great results and haven't noticed much difference with the added potassium. I'm guessing it's not as important in high quantities as fertilizer companies would like you to believe.

 

[T Ray]

Here is Subcool's response to a earlier thread from like 2 weeks ago about this exact same question.

Source: https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/448941-anyone-add-bit-k-super.html

"It doesn't lack potassium I am not sure where this comes from, if it did I wouldn't be harvesting 6-10 ounces plants dripping with resin and hard as rocks!"

Sub

Later in the thread JTR bushes further explains:

"The K comes from two places in super soil. #1 is the kelp meal that Aurora mixes in with the Roots soil. #2 is the K that is released over time from all the coco in the Roots soil. As coir breaks down, it releases K over time. That's why when using liquid mineral ferts in straight coco, you have to back the K off a bit in your mix so you don't lock out Ca, Mg, and N."

 

[wheezer]

hmmm interesting....I use Greensand and coco AND kelp in my teas so I'm prolly pushing it a bit huh?

 

[T Ray]

I'm not exactly sure. All I know is I see what Sub's growing with his recipe and it's simply top notch. He's done all the hard work and delivered his exact ingredients and the results speak for themselves. I want to grow buds that look like his, so I use the recipe he uses to replicate his results. And I am one satisfied customer. After seeing the results (with a local Urp strain that will have pictures to go with soon) getting some TGA gear to grow it out with the SS was a must. I read, I watched, I researched, I mixed, I grew, I got hooked on SS.

 

[SurfdOut]

Did you guys see this post from Sub?

RUI thread-My Vanilla Kush loves you subcool-his reply post #13 dated 6/16/11

History Lessons

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/bcg.htm

Super Soil Mix

Original recipe - as it was given to me
1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix
2 L Bone Meal - phosphorus source
1L Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
1 tsp fritted trace elements
1/2 - 1 bag chicken manure (steer, mushroom, etc) - nitrogen & trace elements

- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit 1-2 weeks before use.


Revised recipe - after several failures due to bad manure sources, I now use the following recipe. Results have been excellent and the clones seem to take off right away instead of having a slow growing settling in period.

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
1 tsp fritted trace elements
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings

- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit 1-2 weeks before use.



Substitutions
- The original recipe was a success, but I simply needed to experiment. In addition, sometimes not all ingredients were always available. Therefore, here are some possible additions and/or substitutions. Descriptions to follow
Blood & Bone Meal - when trying to cut costs

Kelp Meal - contains over 62 trace minerals. Good supplement for manure or for reducing the manure content to speed up availability of soil.

Worm castings - excellent source of micro nutrients
Bat guano - excellent for top dressing a week into flowering
Seabird guano

Vic was My Mentor BTW

Sub
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[TJames]

And moving to a kelp and coco-loaded Roots soil base removed the need for added kelp in this very latest recipe?

 

[T Ray]

And moving to a kelp and coco-loaded Roots soil base removed the need for added kelp in this very latest recipe?

Just so you know what Surfdout printed wasn't Sub's recipe. It was Vic High's. Sub was showing that's where he got his ideas for supersoil from and that his recipe evolved from that. He has been using a much different recipe than Vic's one for a while now. That's why Sub sourced it before quoting it.

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/soil/soil.htm#Super%20Soil

 

[geranium]

I"m feeling super spoiled. I don't need to make my own super soil anymore Check out www.PRCOMPOSTCO.com. The ingredients: Fir bark humus, coconut coir, peat moss, pumice, perlite, sandy loam, worm castings, cow manure, horse manure, oystershell lime, gypsum, bat guano, fish meal, greensand and kelp meal. 0-0-50. Sounds like it has everything. What do you think? $119.00 a yard delivered anywhere in Northern CA. I'd love some feedback ...

 

[TJames]

Just so you know what Surfdout printed wasn't Sub's recipe. It was Vic High's. Sub was showing that's where he got his ideas for supersoil from and that his recipe evolved from that. He has been using a much different recipe than Vic's one for a while now. That's why Sub sourced it before quoting it.

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/soil/soil.htm#Super%20Soil

Thanks for taking a minute to clarify that.

 

[SurfdOut]

Hey T-Ray, you're right...thanks for that. Interesting to watch these guys ingredients change over the years, remember when Sub used to use chicken manure? I'm betting he incorporates kelp before too long as its just too good not to use....

 

[TJames]

I'm betting he incorporates kelp before too long as its just too good not to use....

Given the consistent results of his 2010 formula, it seems the kelp already in the roots is doin the trick. That and the K from the coco. I thought about this a lot and have faith. So I won't be adding any kelp to my (first) SS grow.

 

[SurfdOut]

Hi T James-Go off the recipe and you'll get great results. After a couple of years of using this recipe, I bet you'll further adapt it to your growing region. For example, I add perlite for mixes used during our rainy Hawaiian winters and use microbial teas to innoculate and I'm not using Roots anymore this year until the fungus gnats thing gets fixed. Happy Growing my friend!!!

 

[VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO]

Hi T James-Go off the recipe and you'll get great results. After a couple of years of using this recipe, I bet you'll further adapt it to your growing region. For example, I add perlite for mixes used during our rainy Hawaiian winters and use microbial teas to innoculate and I'm not using Roots anymore this year until the fungus gnats thing gets fixed. Happy Growing my friend!!!

I stopped carrying roots in my store, it was loaded with fungus gnats

 

[ClamDigger]

maybe Diatomaceous earth should be added to the list.....right below the Roots

 

[subcool]

One treatment of Azamax took care of the fungus prob.

My answer to the debate on K is it must be in there you guys have seen my plants and there are no deficiencies that I can see.

I will try some Maxi Crop on the Cheese to see if thats why shes such a bitch in flower but what she does in super soil she does in AN hydro and ever other medium I have seen.

Last years Space Bomb cover of Hightimes yielded 9 ounces theres no way the soil is lacking.

Sub