rzza
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i wanna hear.
20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction
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Wolverine97
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No........
Puanatat
Member
Hit this last page today after quite some time. First off, I'd just like to thank you CG and all the other contributors to this thread. I'm from australia and have (this year in particular) ended up on public transport for 3-4 hrs per day (to and from uni). I always found myself falling asleep and getting pretty down about doing this 'mission' day after day. This thread has kept me captivated and made most of my days pleasant ones, for a few months. The funny thing is; I can't read my text books without getting motion sickness but I can read this thread on my phone no worries haha... Go figure.*
A few things have got me riled *up as I've progressed through this thread, mostly just the nerve of some people - you've (CG) given so much and it should be quite clear to people that you know what you are doing. The manner in which a few members have talked to you is appalling but yet sometimes, more often than not, there is something to take away from it and I'm not going to lie; it usually makes for good reading ha.
On a positive note, there's been lots of highlights for me. One I can't help but think about is when you unleashed helper Ds' personality and habits on the readers. I remember reading one members post about how helper D doesn't think it's gay if he's on-top and they replied; does he do the reach around or is he just a prick - I seriously split my bottom lip with a smile from ear to ear on my tram, god damn those dry mornings haha!!
I'll just finish up with a question if it's alright by you. I remember you mentioning, on more than one occasion, how you've found that most mediums/nutrients lack, *I think was, magnesium and sulfur. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I journaled the posts but they didn't follow through to my account, I don't know why. Anyway, I was just wondering if you could shed some light on this and how being deficient in these nutrients affects your plants. I haven't really come across any posts or articles, in my short time in the game, that mention this. I believe you, I was just wondering *- given my soil composition below (feel free to shed light on whether I've gone wrong somewhere) , how should I go about ensuring my soil has these nutrients in the right amounts?
(Parts in Volume not Mass)
-4 Parts Organic Garden Soil*
-1 Part Vermiculite
-1 Part Perlite
-0.125 Parts Tuscan Path
-0.125 Parts Volcanic Rock (not mixed, but placed at the bottom of the pot).
If your curious about this mix, I'm just slowly working my way through mediums and grow types. My last two grows were quite simple and contained a mix of potting soil, sand, rocks, a bit of mushroom compost, etc.*
Thanks in advance.
A few things have got me riled *up as I've progressed through this thread, mostly just the nerve of some people - you've (CG) given so much and it should be quite clear to people that you know what you are doing. The manner in which a few members have talked to you is appalling but yet sometimes, more often than not, there is something to take away from it and I'm not going to lie; it usually makes for good reading ha.
On a positive note, there's been lots of highlights for me. One I can't help but think about is when you unleashed helper Ds' personality and habits on the readers. I remember reading one members post about how helper D doesn't think it's gay if he's on-top and they replied; does he do the reach around or is he just a prick - I seriously split my bottom lip with a smile from ear to ear on my tram, god damn those dry mornings haha!!
I'll just finish up with a question if it's alright by you. I remember you mentioning, on more than one occasion, how you've found that most mediums/nutrients lack, *I think was, magnesium and sulfur. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I journaled the posts but they didn't follow through to my account, I don't know why. Anyway, I was just wondering if you could shed some light on this and how being deficient in these nutrients affects your plants. I haven't really come across any posts or articles, in my short time in the game, that mention this. I believe you, I was just wondering *- given my soil composition below (feel free to shed light on whether I've gone wrong somewhere) , how should I go about ensuring my soil has these nutrients in the right amounts?
(Parts in Volume not Mass)
-4 Parts Organic Garden Soil*
-1 Part Vermiculite
-1 Part Perlite
-0.125 Parts Tuscan Path
-0.125 Parts Volcanic Rock (not mixed, but placed at the bottom of the pot).
If your curious about this mix, I'm just slowly working my way through mediums and grow types. My last two grows were quite simple and contained a mix of potting soil, sand, rocks, a bit of mushroom compost, etc.*
Thanks in advance.
MrEDuck
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I can't believe I missed this thread coming back. Glad to have you back CG. Insert a bunch of compliments about your grow in your head as you read this. I'm using my phone so I can't write em all out.
I can't believe you guys are still having problems giving meds away. Have you tried any outreach type groups? If anyone in the collective has ever worked as a social worker or something similar they may have some ideas.
I've gained like 12lbs since harvest.
Lots of great discussion everyone.
I can't believe you guys are still having problems giving meds away. Have you tried any outreach type groups? If anyone in the collective has ever worked as a social worker or something similar they may have some ideas.
I've gained like 12lbs since harvest.
Lots of great discussion everyone.
kevin murphy
New Member
mornin c.g. hows things mate still producing the fat buds mate...
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
Welcome. Now we have Australia represented. A couple Asians (from Asia), and a Russian and we'll be fairly whole.
I came across some tissue sample results years ago and saw sulfur content far exceeding (by proportion) the typical sulfur content in most hydro nutes. I then delved into my favorite hydroponic book "Hydroponic Vegetable Production" (a MUST for any hydro grower...THE textbook for college level hydro classes). It stated that sulfur problems typically started with slowed growth with no outward signs (leaf discoloration, necrosis, etc...). I took this to mean that you could be low on sulfur and never know it. At this point in my growing life there were like 2 hydro stores in the whole Los Angeles area. Foothill Hydroponics was my store. They made their own nutes and carried everything to make your own as well. I started adding magnesium sulfate and my growth exploded. Also, my plants stopped turning purple late in life (low mag...I thought I just had some kill purple shit). If you check the lables on Botanicare Sweet, AN Bud Factor X, Cutting Edge Mag Amp, and several other nute additives, you'll see that the ingredient is magnesium sulfate.
In time I found out why these 2 elements may be lacking in some growing techniques. Organic matter is loaded with sulfur. There's probably enough sulfur in a pot of FF Ocean Forest or Roots Organis potting soil for the life of the plant. In fact, just about any potting soil probably has plenty. Therefore, it wasn't something early fertilizer makers worried about. But, when we go inert medium, we have none. Since slow growth is the main sign of a problem (if there's a serious sulfur def, other signs appear), people may not even know that there's a problem. Most older basic hydro nutes weren't made for CO2 pumped, massively lighted, turbo charged pot plants. Hence, the additives. To this day, the only additive I use all the time is magnesium sulfate...currently Cutting edge Mag Amp.
Magnesium is present in large quantities in tap water. Back in the day, very few growers used RO units. Now, they're the standard. I have been using them for most of my growing career. 20 years ago they were so expensive that I leased mine! It was like $50/month and a company came out and serviced it every few months. Anyways, the old school nutes counted on the mag present in tap water. Now that we use RO water, extra mag is needed. If the hydro companies put too much in the basic nute, and the grower used tap water, there would be mad toxic problems. Hence, the "mag" in the magnesium sulfate additives.
I confirmed all this in an in depth conversation with a rep from Cutting Edge (my current nute of choice). I was asking him how necessary their 3 additives were. He said 2 were optional, but the Mag Amp (magnesium sulfate) should be used always. Hopefully the nute companies will reformulate their basic nutes with enough mag and sulfur in the future. However, don't hold your breath...they make alot of money on additives. Many people think the additives are some magic voodoo. In fact, they're just giving is the rest of the mag and sulfur that should have been in the base nutes. Since low sulfur problems just cause slowed growth, it appears that the base nute has everything in it (if it caused leaves to die, people would never buy the base nute). Low mag usually doesn't show itself until late in bloom. I used to just think it was the plant winding down, or some sort of purple strain. The point is, the base nute works just good enough to make us think it's got everything. But, then we put in the additive and are convinced that the "secret sauce" is some magic growth booster. Here's the kicker: A gallon of one of Cutting Edge's base nutes (either Micro, Bloom, or Grow) is about $25. A gallon of Mag Amp (the rest of the magnesium and Sulfur) is over $100!
Is it a conspiracy? Am I just paranoid? Who knows...and who really cares. When I add magnesium sulfate my plants grow WAY faster and stay green and perfect right up until the flush starts yellowing them. If you want to give some a try, the Botanicare Sweet Raw is the cheapest.
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
Yup. We're flushing table one. Going to start harvesting Friday
kevin murphy
New Member
nice cant wait for the picture upfdate whens the next one cumin pal...
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
I've questioned the whole group. I'm blown away that I can't locate people who really need some free meds. I've gotten some PM's from some real Fuck-Heads claiming that if I give them an LB, they can get it into the right hands. One guy even built a fake website he linked to me...saying they were some sort of hospice free weed delivery company. I wish I would have saved the link. It was so obvious he just built it to convince me he was legit. He used my exact wording for the type of people I was looking for. What an ass-clown.
All our members are still willing to share our harvest with some seriously ill and/or terminal patients without the means to pay for it. We have found a couple people we help out. One lady didn't want any "charity" (even though she has no money and is dying). Instead, she asked me to teach her to grow. We potted up some plants and delivered them to her backyard. She waters them and one of us goes by and feeds/prunes. We then "loan" her finished buds until her crop comes in. This is the only way she would accept help. The crazy thing is, she's going to have about 6 lbs of Bubba at the end of the summer. LOL. She wants us to harvest and trim her 6 plants for her. She then insists that we keep 5 plants worth of buds and store the buds from the other plant for her...just bringing her 1/2 ounce every 2 weeks. Here we are trying to be charitable, and we end up with around 5 extra pounds of buds! Needless to say, if our grow room shuts down tomorrow, we'll continue to supply her with whatever weed she needs for the rest of her life...which we hope will be a very long time.
If anyone has any leads on needy people, please let me know
Jozikins
Well-Known Member
Do you guys have a store front? Or are you just trying to get rid of more because you have too much at your store front? Charity obviously the key motivation, but I just want to know how to work my idea. But if you already have a store front, a partnership with another store front may become beneficial for both you and the patients. There are lots of small dispensaries starting out that have a very hard time competing with some of the insane operations that are around, and the big green houses up north, and all the other stuff that gives other dispensaries the edge. What you could do is work a trusting relationship and donate your portion of charitable cannabis to their store front, so they can advertise and dispense free medicine for the terminally ill. This not only attracts everyone's attention as a compassionate act, and win's their business, even if they are not terminally ill, but it also sounds damn good in court. You can work out a symbiotic relationship with other legitimate dispensaries in the area. It's almost like a bonus for playing by the rules, even if it makes business tough.
Jozikins
Well-Known Member
Well, I am well known for consistently bringing in the sugary shit, my buds are always top shelf on the menu and never last more than a few days before they are snatched up. I can brag on and on and on, lol. But this is by far, the absolute frostiest dank I have ever worked with. I have never had such a tough time trimming buds, even with my brand new pair of pruners purchased just for this harvest. I could not believe the thick blonde layer of finger hash forming from just a short while into trimming. Whenever I check the drying nugs my hands get super hashy, more than normal. So far, just by testing out a few quick-dried nugs, it's fucking awesome.
It's Blue Dream, believe it or not! Blue Dream has always been a dank strain, but I've seen it fucked up so many different ways it's hard to get excited over it now. After growing it myself, all I can say is good things about it, killer yields, killer buds, killer smell, mold resistant and easy to grow at low PPM's, she is a 5 star plant if done properly, I don't understand how it gets fucked up so bad. Anyways, I don't know if I can credit this to the MH for the last 5 days, it's hard to tell if she got more resin. She was much more brilliant under the MH, and everyday she got more brilliant, I blame it on increased resin count, but it could be because I longed to see her so... lol.
I say it is absolutely worth a try for all growers, it's a pretty simple thing to do, I have a 400w/600w switch from NextGen on that tent, so it made it super simple for me, I guess it's not fair for everyone. haha.
Sorry about the double post CG.
Wolverine97
Well-Known Member
I'll go one further on the sulfur and mag topic, but just a short note;
Magnesium is essential for chlorophyll development, and the center of every chlorophyll molecule is magnesium. It's totally necessary for plants to stay green, that's why so many people mistake it for a N deficiency though they couldn't be more wrong. The sulfur is critical for the development of the terpene profile of the plant, so people who want the stinkiest shit possible, make sure you have enough sulfur in their diets.
/thread derailment.
Magnesium is essential for chlorophyll development, and the center of every chlorophyll molecule is magnesium. It's totally necessary for plants to stay green, that's why so many people mistake it for a N deficiency though they couldn't be more wrong. The sulfur is critical for the development of the terpene profile of the plant, so people who want the stinkiest shit possible, make sure you have enough sulfur in their diets.
/thread derailment.
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
We are not a storefront. But, that is an interesting idea. I'll give that one some thought. I'm delivering meds to my #1 dispensary next week. Maybe I'll run it by them. I just want to make sure it's only people who really need it that get my free stuff.
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
I agree that Blue Dream is a dream plant for growers. I've found it to be a very high yielding top shelf plant. Around these parts, every grower has found the same thing! Blue Dream has flooded the market for real. I won't touch the stuff now. Most dispensaries can choose from 5 or 6 different Blue Dream vendors. I've seen prices as low as $2,200. I'm really hoping the Casey Jones can give me that same high yielding top shelfer, without the competition driving the price through the floor.
kevin murphy
New Member
have u ever heard of project z7 seeds collective ive just got sum through today straite from mr nice seeds got a 2 week update with them on my signature could you take a look and see if you or sumone u know has grown them
I am Small time compared to you but have studied the laws for quite some time now. My personal understanding of the law is the same as what you have going on. I am glad to confirm a lot of what I was thinking. Anyhow, I have a question that maybe you can help me with, again its on a smaller level. I am limited on plant numbers and weight by my county, thats fine. I plan to stay 100% legal and I know the laws for my area. What I am not clear on, is what I do with my overages in weight. I am not trying to get rich but making a small return on the investment would be nice. I have no need for a collective to grow/posses/use cannabis because it is my wife and I with our cards. I am wondering how I can get rid of my excess without breaking the law. Or if thats even possible. I would totally setup a business or claim the income, just want to be legal.
Please do not PM me asking if I have weed for sale, omg people. I am not going to sell to anybody on this site. I am also not going to sell weed to anyone, at anytime, unless I can do so within state, county, and city laws. If you read my journal you will know that I havent even produced flowers yet..... wow, the nerve.
Wolverine97
Well-Known Member
I'm sooo curious to know who asked.... but I won't ask...
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
this makes me feel a bit better, i'm not the only one (sorry chas, not laughing AT you but WITH you)
i'd like to add one point to this rant: if you ask someone you've never spoken to for something that could get their ticket revoked, and they say no, don't get all butthurt about it. kthanks.
collective gardener
Well-Known Member
While I've never addressed you sittuation with my attorney, I have discussed selling our overage to other collectives. It's no problem. You just charge whatever it cost you to grow it. This includes labor, which will be the biggest line item in your cost breakdown. So, start a spreadsheet on all of your costs to grow a crop. Figure out how many hours it took, and charge a reasonable hourly rate. Calc the cost of your grow equipment and write that up as a loan from you to your grow. Say it's $6,000 worth of grow gear. Write up a 2 year note, which would be $250/month. Then the grow gear costs for a 2 month crop would be $500. That becomes a line item. You get the picture? This is just a record that you keep in case you run into some problem with The Man. It shows that you're not making a profit, just being reimbursed for the money spent to grow the product. I won't go into the details of how you get your costs to match market value. I think you can figure that out.