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collective gardener

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Please do not PM me asking if I have weed for sale, omg people. I am not going to sell to anybody on this site. I am also not going to sell weed to anyone, at anytime, unless I can do so within state, county, and city laws. If you read my journal you will know that I havent even produced flowers yet..... wow, the nerve.

I'll ask, Wolverine. Was it STACKB? He just sent me a PM asking to buy. He was polite enough. But if he's asking everyone, run for the hills.

Sorry STACKB. I replied asking for your city and state. I was just going to recommend a good dispensary for you to buy from.
 

C.Indica

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What a good guy CG.
People need to remember that even a twelve year old could start a rollitup, so of course there are all sorts of law enforcement on this site.
And on top of that, many of the surveillance probably happens without registered accounts.

So keep legal.
 

collective gardener

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What a good guy CG.
People need to remember that even a twelve year old could start a rollitup, so of course there are all sorts of law enforcement on this site.
And on top of that, many of the surveillance probably happens without registered accounts.

So keep legal.

Yeah. I'm sure if someone asked enough people to buy at least one poor sap would bite. Personally, I won't even give a sample to someone not a member of our collective. My attorney tells me the stories of how his clients get busted. Most of them are doing totally stupid shit. It's too easy to get complacent these days. In general, the heat is off. Most cops in California won't even hastle you for having a sack in your car with no rec. And I know a married couple growing 15-20 plants in greenhouses with a cop living next door. He's seen the grow, and advised them to lock the greehouse so they wouldn't get ripped off. But, when you go out and sell a pound to a stranger that turns out to be a narcotics officer...that's a felony...and the whole deal gets ugly.
 
That's a hell of a setup man.
Cali is the shit, but with that said everybody is entitled to their opinion and that's cool to.
Bite SizeFreak loving the full metal "bong" quote, nice!!!!!
 

collective gardener

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So...I broke down and got some AN nutes. I picked up some Sensi 2 part grow, some Conniseur (sp?) 2 part bloom, and some Mother Earth Tea. Just going to try it on a run with 9 plants all the way through. Anyone placing bets on whether it will outperform good ol' Cutting Edge 3 part?
 

Jozikins

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So...I broke down and got some AN nutes. I picked up some Sensi 2 part grow, some Conniseur (sp?) 2 part bloom, and some Mother Earth Tea. Just going to try it on a run with 9 plants all the way through. Anyone placing bets on whether it will outperform good ol' Cutting Edge 3 part?
As the official AN hater of RIU, I have to say it makes me sad :( But please prove me wrong that you don't need a million parts! But I do suggest running Wet Betty and Carboload. I would never run any product without a stellar carbohydrate and potassium silicate. As much as I hate AN, their Liquid Carboload can not be beat by any competitive product, as far as flavor goes, molasses cannot compete!

Don't buy Tea, bro, just hit me up, I would be more than happy to deliver tea to a compassionate enthusiast as yourself. Don't pay them for their product, pay me for my gas and I'll give you something custom tailored to your specific needs and plants. Tea is an easy science, and it gives me a big kick brewing it. Next batch is going to have Predatory Nematodes feed with Equisetum and Rock Phosphate.
 

collective gardener

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what the hell for?

the wedding is off.

:lol:
Oh shit! You weren't supposed to read this. Damn it. I think I've been marketed. I've been forced to read so many of their adds it took control of my mind.

Actually, my favorite hydro shop girl, Hydro E, gave me about $300 worth on the AN shit to try. I wonder if Amazon or Ebay does that? Anyways, she wanted me to run a whole crop through and report back how it worked. I guess she, too, has undergone the AN Mind Change. But she has way too much class to try it herself. I, too, have too much class to try AN. BUT, Hydro E is a semi pro fitness model. She has some mind changing powers of her own. She bent over to grab some AN, and all I could say was "I'll do whatever you want". Next thing I knew I was heading for the op, 5 bottles of AN in tow, calling Commercial J to tell him of my planned test. He hung up on me.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
.... do you think commercial j would be interested in being hubby #2 instead? ....

hydro e indeed. i wouldn't use AN if it fell off a truck. i wish i could talk about what i know about them, here. but i know way too much and get way too angry about it.

this guy does a pretty good job of ranting about them (but there is oh so much more to it than that):
http://dufffreezone.com/past-shows-podcasts/ (the 8/24/11 episode)
 

collective gardener

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.... do you think commercial j would be interested in being hubby #2 instead? ....

hydro e indeed. i wouldn't use AN if it fell off a truck. i wish i could talk about what i know about them, here. but i know way too much and get way too angry about it.

this guy does a pretty good job of ranting about them (but there is oh so much more to it than that):
http://dufffreezone.com/past-shows-podcasts/ (the 8/24/11 episode)
I can't believe I lost my number 2 hubby spot over some nutes. Damn!

But, Kitty, no bullshit...PM me with the goods on AN. I just gotta know. I've heard some stuff, but trust you more than the other source

BTW, I have no doubt I'll re-secure my #2 hubby slot.
 

Puanatat

Member
Welcome. Now we have Australia represented. A couple Asians (from Asia), and a Russian and we'll be fairly whole.

I came across some tissue sample results years ago and saw sulfur content far exceeding (by proportion) the typical sulfur content in most hydro nutes. I then delved into my favorite hydroponic book "Hydroponic Vegetable Production" (a MUST for any hydro grower...THE textbook for college level hydro classes). It stated that sulfur problems typically started with slowed growth with no outward signs (leaf discoloration, necrosis, etc...). I took this to mean that you could be low on sulfur and never know it. At this point in my growing life there were like 2 hydro stores in the whole Los Angeles area. Foothill Hydroponics was my store. They made their own nutes and carried everything to make your own as well. I started adding magnesium sulfate and my growth exploded. Also, my plants stopped turning purple late in life (low mag...I thought I just had some kill purple shit). If you check the lables on Botanicare Sweet, AN Bud Factor X, Cutting Edge Mag Amp, and several other nute additives, you'll see that the ingredient is magnesium sulfate.

In time I found out why these 2 elements may be lacking in some growing techniques. Organic matter is loaded with sulfur. There's probably enough sulfur in a pot of FF Ocean Forest or Roots Organis potting soil for the life of the plant. In fact, just about any potting soil probably has plenty. Therefore, it wasn't something early fertilizer makers worried about. But, when we go inert medium, we have none. Since slow growth is the main sign of a problem (if there's a serious sulfur def, other signs appear), people may not even know that there's a problem. Most older basic hydro nutes weren't made for CO2 pumped, massively lighted, turbo charged pot plants. Hence, the additives. To this day, the only additive I use all the time is magnesium sulfate...currently Cutting edge Mag Amp.

Magnesium is present in large quantities in tap water. Back in the day, very few growers used RO units. Now, they're the standard. I have been using them for most of my growing career. 20 years ago they were so expensive that I leased mine! It was like $50/month and a company came out and serviced it every few months. Anyways, the old school nutes counted on the mag present in tap water. Now that we use RO water, extra mag is needed. If the hydro companies put too much in the basic nute, and the grower used tap water, there would be mad toxic problems. Hence, the "mag" in the magnesium sulfate additives.

I confirmed all this in an in depth conversation with a rep from Cutting Edge (my current nute of choice). I was asking him how necessary their 3 additives were. He said 2 were optional, but the Mag Amp (magnesium sulfate) should be used always. Hopefully the nute companies will reformulate their basic nutes with enough mag and sulfur in the future. However, don't hold your breath...they make alot of money on additives. Many people think the additives are some magic voodoo. In fact, they're just giving is the rest of the mag and sulfur that should have been in the base nutes. Since low sulfur problems just cause slowed growth, it appears that the base nute has everything in it (if it caused leaves to die, people would never buy the base nute). Low mag usually doesn't show itself until late in bloom. I used to just think it was the plant winding down, or some sort of purple strain. The point is, the base nute works just good enough to make us think it's got everything. But, then we put in the additive and are convinced that the "secret sauce" is some magic growth booster. Here's the kicker: A gallon of one of Cutting Edge's base nutes (either Micro, Bloom, or Grow) is about $25. A gallon of Mag Amp (the rest of the magnesium and Sulfur) is over $100!

Is it a conspiracy? Am I just paranoid? Who knows...and who really cares. When I add magnesium sulfate my plants grow WAY faster and stay green and perfect right up until the flush starts yellowing them. If you want to give some a try, the Botanicare Sweet Raw is the cheapest.


Thanks again - I didn't expect such an in-depth response. I think I may give it a go on a few plants, even thought I have a large portion of soil mixed in. Ta.
 

Wolverine97

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So...I broke down and got some AN nutes. I picked up some Sensi 2 part grow, some Conniseur (sp?) 2 part bloom, and some Mother Earth Tea. Just going to try it on a run with 9 plants all the way through. Anyone placing bets on whether it will outperform good ol' Cutting Edge 3 part?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... they're all gonna laugh at you. They're all gonna laugh at you. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

/Adam Sandler reference

But for serious, check out this link CG: http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/docs/pdf/lab_2009_1231_1.pdf?ga=t
I've got more if you want to dig in further.
 

collective gardener

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I really don't try to be so long winded. It's just that when dealing with complex issues, there is rarely a short answer. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to know why things work. Then I can use that info in my particular settup. All our rooms are so different. A product will probably have to be used differently in every op to obtain the same results.

Look at the ideal PPM. So many factors come into play determining the best PPM for a grow op: growing method, container size, feeding schedule, flush schedule, humidity, medium, strain, etc...That's just one simple aspect of the grow. It makes me sick when I hear people make blanket statements: "40% is the best RH"..."You should flush for 14 days"..."You should use an aerocloner"...and so on and so on.

The most interesting part of growing for me is the vast array of decisions to be made...and the vast amount of factors that come into play with every decision. It's very easy to start growing. But the ceiling of knowledge is quite high.
 

MrEDuck

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I really don't try to be so long winded. It's just that when dealing with complex issues, there is rarely a short answer. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to know why things work. Then I can use that info in my particular settup. All our rooms are so different. A product will probably have to be used differently in every op to obtain the same results.

Look at the ideal PPM. So many factors come into play determining the best PPM for a grow op: growing method, container size, feeding schedule, flush schedule, humidity, medium, strain, etc...That's just one simple aspect of the grow. It makes me sick when I hear people make blanket statements: "40% is the best RH"..."You should flush for 14 days"..."You should use an aerocloner"...and so on and so on.

The most interesting part of growing for me is the vast array of decisions to be made...and the vast amount of factors that come into play with every decision. It's very easy to start growing. But the ceiling of knowledge is quite high.
The number of variables is amazing. I was trying to come up with a series of experiments to optimize my grow and I realized we won't be in the space long enough to get even half of it done. Time to go back to the drawing spreadsheet.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
The most interesting part of growing for me is the vast array of decisions to be made...and the vast amount of factors that come into play with every decision. It's very easy to start growing. But the ceiling of knowledge is quite high.
ok, ok, hubby #2 status reinstated already. and again,... GTFO MY HEAD. :lol:

i wear my heart on my sleeve, or rather, in my sig.....

mr duck, i love experiments too. these days, with our 35 plant limit, it takes SOME doing to get mr. mello to give me ONE plant to try something crazy and newfangled on.... (little does he know there's going to be a bunch going on at harvest-time this time around.... mwa hahahaha)
 

MrEDuck

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Experimentation is indeed awesome. I just wish I could figure out how to do it faster. I'm used to chemistry, even crazy syntheses can be carried out in under a week generally. And it's much easier to run several tests at once.
 
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