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tomcatjones

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so how do you seperate them without tacking on needless regulations and enforcement??

I.E. colorado model...

eff that. we need to keep it in the hands of the patients and the growers. -i'd aslo like to bring the general public. they have to know what we want and we have to know what they want.

it is clear they dont want leaves everywhere - but there has to be some kind of framework to work in.

advertising is necessary for any business and big pharma does it 24/7 -and cannabis is backed by facts.

lets advertise that. compassion and facts.
 
CountGlochula

CountGlochula

Active Member
Murfy said:
i guess-

i agree with bob. we SHOULD be able to make a little income on overages.

i bet many of us are in this boat. after the rulings about p2p, things tightened up a little. disp was still buying from patients and CG with overage.but were slowly only taking overage from a dwindling number of growers who they would, at harvest, be their "group" they had too, but were biding their time. many of them had outdoor crops, and were planning on the liquidation of mass quantity of their own product. for profit of course! out door growing is very inexpensive.

now that the outdoor is come, they are no longer dealing with growers outside of their"group". if your weed is particularly good, maybe they'll offer 125 for an ounce. or two, if you are lucky. basically your overage is worthless.

NOW. the reason why this bothers me, is because of the moral decision making of these disp owners proven through their own actions. when big pharma comes to call, more than likely through the big brother, THEY will be the ones negotiating the deals. at that rate we are going to let a bunch of greedy sobs, who really stated all this scrutiny, make our shots?

the disp's are the ones fuckin it up. the last thing we need is a nazi attorney makin rules for a few hundred pigs that couldn't control their gluttony.

there is a flip side to this coin of the big outdoor harvest leaving all us guys out in the cold, while the disp meds start at 14 a gram. that's were i was heading with this. i wanted to try a little "rumor". to see if us guys could make action in the real world if we wanted too. nothing major, or troublesome. just a test.


for me. after struggling to even pay the bill generated by the grow, while watching others take advantage. watching them have the major bonus again right before christmas would be a major splinter. they fucked us all, and then still get to make all the money, adn the decisions.

surely there must be something we could do to level the playing field a little towards the farmer. the cultivator. it si him that loves the plant, and the patient the most.
lets do a test. to see if when our good idea hits, how best to put it forward.
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my bonus just bought my family a trip to disney world this summer for 8 day's :hump:.gonna be one of the best xmas's yet!


it was not the fault of any one.there are a bunch of brainwashed conservitives in this state that wanted too choke the life out of the bill as soon as they heard about it,and said they would do all they could to restrict it any way possible.that's why they have all these city and county ordinance's against it before they was any disp. in the area.berrien county prosecuter said he would do everything he could to keep disp. from opening in his county as soon as they passed the bill.
 
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thaistix

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Again,
I would have to say that the biggest change needs to come from the breeders, cultivators and patients.
As any of you who read enough on patents from GW will know, CHEMOVARS ARE THE FUTURE OF CANNABIS MEDICINE!!!!
Other than GW, Cali Gold Genetics or the CBD crew (who are really only working on CBD) I have not heard of another breeder(s)
actively pursuing the isolation of distinct Chemovars. The other huge problem is that 980 of the 1000 seed banks out there are using super hybidized junk that they
ripped off from someone else. Very,VERY,VERY few breeders kept around old school original landrace stock and if they did, they most likely lost it or stored it wrong.
There is a small handful of old school breeders around the world that are working with genetics that they have kept since they were imported and found in the buds from the country of origin, breeding some of them only a few generations in 30 plus years. This for one gives them the ability to exploit the genetic diversity within their preserved gene pool and identify and isolate these unique traits, and in this case chemovars.
Once breeders around the world start working on breeding and releasing chemovars, its next up to the cultivator and patient to ensure that those types of genetics are
brought to market, by being effective and cost efficient for both parties. The patients need to experience these rare traits and genetics and if they can identify which profile(s) works best for them then they can relay the message to the cultivator and assure him that if he takes a chance growing some of these minimally psychoactive plant (by todays standards) that he will still be compensated for his product. If the cultivator establishes with the the patients that certain varieties are effective then the cultivator can relay the message to the breeder to breed chemovars with a similar cannabinoid profile, but possibly a different terpene profile may be needed. Once more people are educated, and aware of the future and how things work, then will they be able to fix the problem with medical cannabis in its current state.
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ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

New Member
Hear we go again with the seed plugs. Who is going to be the first person to buy the car that nobody had heard of or the new state of the art pc thats never been tried before.
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

New Member
Collectives were indeed greedy. They say they only made 20% but if you sold to them they would buy for $200 and sell for $400 or $20 a gram $15 was the cheapest and only one kind IMO that's insane. Most people Ive talked to were poor and could not afford the medicine.I know others that have spent 1000s at dispensaries. Im a patient caregiver myself and I couldn't afford it. If farmers keep the price driven down as much as possible It will make the greedy people struggle and they will be forced to follow suit.
 
silusbotwin

silusbotwin

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I haven't read any of the last 4 pages of entries. There were some pretty long jumbled paragraphs, sorry. I hope this hasn't been said yet so I don't have to be the asshole who gets told "OLD NEWS".

Alot of these ideas are awesome and exactly what we need to push the government out of cannabis but alot of you are talking about dispensaries and all of that. Do some research into Colorados medical mj laws. The federal government has made a deal with the state of Colorado that they will cooperate with what the people want but they are making it almost impossible for the average sick person/poor person to grow meds.

Slowly but surely, they are making it so only wealthy people can afford to get proper licensing for a dispensary .....oops..... I mean "Wellness Center". They only allow a person to grow 6 plants. They have gun toting grow room/dispensary auditors to make sure you stay in line (If you were even able to afford the registrations fees and get the proper paper work). They have a camera monitoring system that LEO can view online 24/7 to track meds from seed to sale.

I know it's scary how Orwellian it seems and it really IS. I have a feeling after the feds see how much money they made from regulating dispensaries in CO, they will be enacting the same laws federally across the country. Sucks to say but it's going to happen.

Our job is to create a plan to push the government the hell out of our business.
 
Murfy

Murfy

Well-Known Member
how-

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i don't see it. i just wanna win what i can. the fed is unbeatable, in this arena. the greedy are not.
 
silusbotwin

silusbotwin

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Murfy said:
how-

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i don't see it. i just wanna win what i can. the fed is unbeatable, in this arena. the greedy are not.
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I'm not sure how. Never been much of a leader but I AM however a passionate free thinker who is willing to put up with some suffering and shed my blood to ensure my freedom.
 
greengenez

greengenez

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The big deal is, it's a weed that anyone can grow anywhere. I believe that they fear that if it becomes legal, it will be everywhere, making it hard for them to control the money side of it. (Almost making it worthless) If they did textiles and such it would step on the toes of their oil companies.
 
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tomcatjones

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silusbotwin said:
I'm not sure how. Never been much of a leader but I AM however a passionate free thinker who is willing to put up with some suffering and shed my blood to ensure my freedom.
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Damn Straight.

and you have my Axe! lulz

the colorado model will not stand in michigan. the patients cannot let that happen.
 
deprave

deprave

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If and when the stigma is gone there will be fields 100's of acres of Cannabis, There will be backyard gardens everywhere, it will be free, for this to happen the feds need to step down and the whole world must follow them, until then I don't think there is a whole lot we can do. I hate to sound pessimistic but I really believe there is not much of an in between. The plant is either free to the entire world or its not free.

As If to compromise sure lets loosen the laws to get to this ideal. This starts at 'Limits' which need to eliminated much like California and also a start would be to get rid of the state penalty that makes it a felony to grow like in Maine. They are unjust and irrational. Baby steps sure but compromise not, much like we the people... the cannabis plant can not sacrifice an ounce of liberty and expect freedom or justice. The silver rule and even the golden, maleficence, it applies here. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness proceeds one another. I think this should be taken to the supreme court, the prohibition of cannabis is not ONLY unconstitutional but goes against our Declaration, undermines or civil liberties, and is a clear violation of the SILVER and the GOLDEN rule which scholars and philosophers going back to even Socrates have agreed is NECESSARY for any society to not only be free and prosperous but to merely exist and survive.
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

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ok the protest is at the park place from 8am to 1:30 pm normal is on board mmma is on board a buss from the up is coming down.I still haven't got the number to get into he meeting.
 
silusbotwin

silusbotwin

Well-Known Member
ismokealotofpot said:
ok the protest is at the park place from 8am to 1:30 pm normal is on board mmma is on board a buss from the up is coming down.I still haven't got the number to get into he meeting.
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I'd love to go, unfortunately I don't drive :( I have a crotch rocket but I'm not driving that lol
 
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bob harris

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Murfy said:
i guess-

i agree with bob. we SHOULD be able to make a little income on overages.

i bet many of us are in this boat. after the rulings about p2p, things tightened up a little. disp was still buying from patients and CG with overage.but were slowly only taking overage from a dwindling number of growers who they would, at harvest, be their "group" they had too, but were biding their time. many of them had outdoor crops, and were planning on the liquidation of mass quantity of their own product. for profit of course! out door growing is very inexpensive.

now that the outdoor is come, they are no longer dealing with growers outside of their"group". if your weed is particularly good, maybe they'll offer 125 for an ounce. or two, if you are lucky. basically your overage is worthless.

NOW. the reason why this bothers me, is because of the moral decision making of these disp owners proven through their own actions. when big pharma comes to call, more than likely through the big brother, THEY will be the ones negotiating the deals. at that rate we are going to let a bunch of greedy sobs, who really stated all this scrutiny, make our shots?

the disp's are the ones fuckin it up. the last thing we need is a nazi attorney makin rules for a few hundred pigs that couldn't control their gluttony.

there is a flip side to this coin of the big outdoor harvest leaving all us guys out in the cold, while the disp meds start at 14 a gram. that's were i was heading with this. i wanted to try a little "rumor". to see if us guys could make action in the real world if we wanted too. nothing major, or troublesome. just a test.


for me. after struggling to even pay the bill generated by the grow, while watching others take advantage. watching them have the major bonus again right before christmas would be a major splinter. they fucked us all, and then still get to make all the money, adn the decisions.

surely there must be something we could do to level the playing field a little towards the farmer. the cultivator. it si him that loves the plant, and the patient the most.
lets do a test. to see if when our good idea hits, how best to put it forward.
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My last grow (just finished0 I got 125 per oz for my overages. That's pretty low. Don't get me wrong, I can cover costs and make a little at 125, but it was hard to find ANY buyer.

And yes, the outdoor crop had a lot to do with it. Lots of big outdoor grows this year it seems. Growing outdoors is illegal, isn't it?
 
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tomcatjones

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bob harris said:
My last grow (just finished0 I got 125 per oz for my overages. That's pretty low. Don't get me wrong, I can cover costs and make a little at 125, but it was hard to find ANY buyer.

And yes, the outdoor crop had a lot to do with it. Lots of big outdoor grows this year it seems. Growing outdoors is illegal, isn't it?
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Nope. legal :mrgreen:
 
CountGlochula

CountGlochula

Active Member
bob harris said:
My last grow (just finished0 I got 125 per oz for my overages. That's pretty low. Don't get me wrong, I can cover costs and make a little at 125, but it was hard to find ANY buyer.

And yes, the outdoor crop had a lot to do with it. Lots of big outdoor grows this year it seems. Growing outdoors is illegal, isn't it?
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LMFAO!i did a black friday special at 80 a 1/4 8^) .recovered the 700 bucks i blew this morning blk friday shopping.MAN IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD CHRISTMAS!
 
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