trayvan martin

[cliffey501]

how do you get multiple violent charges including battery repeatadly over years and not get in trouble .. . . . . .hmm . . .. .

and you underline one part of things i say you take things out of context like a retarded reporter trying to make a head line . . .. . keep spining

and ya i thoerize with reasonable explanations that his father has had some involvment in his legal history and getting of the hook

and the scenerio i wrote about the police helping Z . . .read one line down as it is continued into a puase then the eplanation of "is it true becuase i say it , nope" as a response to DD pretty much making up what happened to coincide with the last episode of CSI he saw

your 20 minuets of sleuthing yielded one redaction . . .i said his dad is connected to the locals . . nad that is a little over board his only connection is through is sons dubious actions
" well the obvious answer since the cops were his friends are that it never happened" that should be wellthe obvios answer is the cops were his friends or that it never happened"

and that very well could be wrong, good job 2 redactions
epic fail for cliffy

you explanation that Z went back to his car after he hung up doesnt make sense unless martin is the Mr.Fantastic as he was 100+ yards away from martin . . . .the time frame doesnt really work out

as they would have had to go to the car and then 100 yards back to get to the spot on the grass he was on . . or that when zimerman got off the phone and chases martin to shoot him

either way your a tard

zimmerboy hung up at 7:14.

martin was on a call until 7:16 when it suddenly ended.

the cops were there at 7:17.

you are so clueless that i have to laugh at you.

2 min to walk back to car even though Martin was ahead of him . . how did martin attack him from behind and then in a minute run a 100 yards while bashing zimmermans head into the ground while moving 100 yards . . .. remmeber your thoery says martin was the agressor which means martin would have had to be agressing toward zimmerman and nothing you say makes any sense to support Z's story or your own

Your making no sense.He was on the phone with 911 he says Im in a cut through.Thats why he couldn't tell the address.His gun was on him.By this point he lost martin and he states that too on the 911 tape.He heads for his truck and they cross paths.Martin punches him and winds up dead.Theres nothing to say otherwise that I've seen.

 

[cliffey501]

the difference between us is my thoeries are just theories with explanation using loose facts . . . . and i know the closet thing to the truth will be shown soon .. . . .i base the right and wrong of there actions on context and morales . . . .there was no need to prfile Martin and no need to confront him as the cops were there within a few min

Z

Facts cannot be loose,Its fact or fiction.You keep talking about facts but produce none .

 

[UncleBuck]

Actually the only thing I do have faith in is myself.

did those penis pills really work that well?

 

[UncleBuck]

Folllowing someone is NOT an invitation or justification to be attacked physically. What is at the crux of this is whether or not Trayvon attacked George, physically, first. In the absence of video or eyewitness testimony, we can only speculate. Following someone, however, does not give you the right to invoke "self defense" or "stand your ground". I'm no lawyer though, so we'll see what happens I suppose.

so you're a 17 year old kid walking home from the store.

some guy in his truck starts following you down the street, slowly, on his phone. so you leave the street and start walking down the park. the man stops his truck, gets out, and starts following you through the park for a couple hundred yards.

are you telling me at that point you're not wondering why the fuck you're being stalked by some stranger?

and given the violent history of zimmerman and his mood that night and the complete lack of violence in martin's history, it's all too likely that zimmerman started that fight. history has a tendency to repeat itself.

 

[UncleBuck]

He was out of the truck when he was talking to 911.After he hung up he started heading back to his truck.

lol, subpar canadian educational system strikes again.

go read the transcripts, they ask something to the effect of "what address are you parked at?", to which zimmerman responds "i don't know".

wow, canadians are bad at this whole reading thing.

 

[UncleBuck]

Your making no sense.He was on the phone with 911 he says Im in a cut through.Thats why he couldn't tell the address.His gun was on him.By this point he lost martin and he states that too on the 911 tape.He heads for his truck and they cross paths.Martin punches him and winds up dead.Theres nothing to say otherwise that I've seen.

sorry, you are a victim of your country's subpar education system.

the dispatcher asks where zimmemran is PARKED AT, and he says "i don't know".

that means he was PARKED IN HIS TRUCK.

dense much?

 

[UncleBuck]

Facts cannot be loose,Its fact or fiction.You keep talking about facts but produce none .

whereas you plain ignore facts, like the fact that the entire scuffle happened in the grass, even though zimmerman says the whole thing happened on the sidewalk.

reconcile that one with your super mega awesome canadian education now.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

sorry, you are a victim of your country's subpar education system.

the dispatcher asks where zimmemran is PARKED AT, and he says "i don't know".

that means he was PARKED IN HIS TRUCK.

dense much?

Actually, that doesn't mean he was in his truck at all. He could have been 50 yards from his truck and still responded "I don't know" to that question. He may have been in his truck, but NOWHERE has it been reported that he was actually in the truck at the time of the call. Saying you're following him and saying you don't know the address your vehicle is parked at is not proof he was in the vehicle. Unless the 911 call contains the question "Are you currently in your vehicle?" which to my knowledge it doesn't, you're making an assumption.

 

[UncleBuck]

Actually, that doesn't mean he was in his truck at all. He could have been 50 yards from his truck and still responded "I don't know" to that question. He may have been in his truck, but NOWHERE has it been reported that he was actually in the truck at the time of the call. Saying you're following him and saying you don't know the address your vehicle is parked at is not proof he was in the vehicle. Unless the 911 call contains the question "Are you currently in your vehicle?" which to my knowledge it doesn't, you're making an assumption.

true enough. but he tells them where to go to find his truck, answers about where he is parked in front of.

pretty fucking likely he is in his truck.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Facts cannot be loose,Its fact or fiction.You keep talking about facts but produce none .

the only facts you know for real are what was recorded and death or martin. .. . . . even the information that was recorded is subject to scrutiny . . . .in the end a innocent kid/man died for no apparent or plausible reason . . . use logic . . . if Zimmermans story doesnt hold water and no other facts are currently present then its all speculation . . . its just your speculation is straight out of a hardy Boys novel . . . turn to page 1 start over

 

[doc111]

so you're a 17 year old kid walking home from the store.

some guy in his truck starts following you down the street, slowly, on his phone. so you leave the street and start walking down the park. the man stops his truck, gets out, and starts following you through the park for a couple hundred yards.

are you telling me at that point you're not wondering why the fuck you're being stalked by some stranger?

and given the violent history of zimmerman and his mood that night and the complete lack of violence in martin's history, it's all too likely that zimmerman started that fight. history has a tendency to repeat itself.

I'm speaking from a legal standpoint. You do not have the right to walk up to me and punch me in the nose because I "followed" you. And how was Trayvon supposed to know Zimm had a violent past?

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm speaking from a legal standpoint. You do not have the right to walk up to me and punch me in the nose because I "followed" you.

you make it sound like zimmerboy inadvertently followed martin, when in all reality he stalked him. big difference, you know.

i feel threatened in no way when i am walking to the store and there is someone walking behind me, but if someone follows me in their truck and then gets out and follows me on foot away from the road, i will feel threatened.

And how was Trayvon supposed to know Zimm had a violent past?

when did i say he was supposed to know this?

i simply pointed out that given zimmerboy's violent and temper-ridden history, it is more likely that he was the one who started the scuffle, especially after we hear him on the phone cussing about martin for the crime of walking home with some candy.

 

[UncleBuck]

and get some new reagan quotes, doc. i'll suggest a few...

"i raised taxes several times and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants!"

"nancy, i pooped myself and the cat is on fire and playing the piano"

 

[londonfog]

Actually, that doesn't mean he was in his truck at all. He could have been 50 yards from his truck and still responded "I don't know" to that question. He may have been in his truck, but NOWHERE has it been reported that he was actually in the truck at the time of the call. Saying you're following him and saying you don't know the address your vehicle is parked at is not proof he was in the vehicle. Unless the 911 call contains the question "Are you currently in your vehicle?" which to my knowledge it doesn't, you're making an assumption.

Ummm if you listen to the 911 tape you will hear him get out the truck at 2:12....again they can play the stupid game all they want but the tapes tell it all. People don't realize how Bullshit don't play when your azz is on the line in court. Let him say he was not in his truck. I do think he has told enough lies already. If he would have stop following when he was informed to he would have been at his truck. The ding from truck door opening with keys still in can be heard at 2:12..he was told not to follow at 2:25. Good luck defending that he was not in truck

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[Harrekin]

Ummm if you listen to the 911 tape you will hear him get out the truck at 2:12....again they can play the stupid game all they want but the tapes tell it all. People don't realize how Bullshit don't play when your azz is on the line in court. Let him say he was not in his truck. I do think he has told enough lies already. If he would have stop following when he was informed to he would have been at his truck. The ding from truck door opening with keys still in can be heard at 2:12..he was told not to follow at 2:25. Good luck defending that he was not in truck

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You mean when the civilian dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that" ?? You know why it was said that way right? Are you really that thick-headed? "White guilt" clouding your logic box?

 

[Carne Seca]

You mean when the civilian dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that" ?? You know why it was said that way right? Are you really that thick-headed? "White guilt" clouding your logic box?

White guilt? Seriously?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

White guilt? Seriously?

For you it's not white guilt. You want to be dominated by the black man.

 

[Carne Seca]

For you it's not white guilt. You want to be dominated by the black man.

What the fuck are you talking about you addlepated moron? Are you and Harrekin so fucking stupid you don't realize Londonfog isn't white? You have your stereotypes and political rhetoric lodged so far up your asses they now function as your brains. Jesus.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

canna you normally make more sense . . . . .. "dominated by a black man"

what does being dominated or black have anything to do with it

 

[Harrekin]

What the fuck are you talking about you addlepated moron? Are you and Harrekin so fucking stupid you don't realize Londonfog isn't white? You have your stereotypes and political rhetoric lodged so far up your asses they now function as your brains. Jesus.

Well that just says it all then.