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doc111

doc111

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londonfog said:
ok if you listen to the 911 tape how long was Zimmerman on the phone with the 911 operator AFTER he said "ok" to not following...How long was he on after the ok ??? when you have the answer I will show you why Zimmerman is at fault
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I don't see that this will be relevant. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I suppose we'll see.

UncleBuck said:
you can personally disagree with the term "aggressor", but in the letter of the law that is exactly what he is. it doesn't necessarily mean he was aggressive, it just means he initiated, which he clearly did by profiling and then following martin, by his own admission on recorded tape.
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Following someone is NOT an invitation to be physically attacked! If someone is following you and that's ALL they've done up to that point, you DO NOT have a legal right to physically attack them! Call the police, run to a friend's house, but you can't run up and punch them in the nose. You have ZERO legal right to do so. Now, if I've physically attacked you, then yes, you now have the right to defend yourself. If the prosecution can show that Trayvon could NOT have possibly attacked Zimmerman FIRST, then yes, they've got a case. Without video and credible eyewitness testimony, it's simply his word against a dead teenager's. I think I smell some reasonable doubt!:shock:
 
Stillbuzzin

Stillbuzzin

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I often wonder why a football player(Trayvon ) didnt out run Zimmerman . Yes he should have just ran, No we cant have that. The trolls wouldnt have a defense .
 
londonfog

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cliffey501 said:
That call is edited he was on the phone for like over 2 minutes after he was told not to follow.Trayvon had lots of time to go home but he didn't he doubled back to confront zimmy.
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Dumb Canadian Zimmerman was on the phone after he was told not to follow for 2 minutes, which only means he should have been returning to his truck after he said ok...Hell he was only away from his truck for about 10 seconds before he was told not to follow, so if the conversation continued for another two minutes he had plenty enough time to return back to truck...instead he kept stalking Trayvon and then ended up killing him. but I guess you're to stupid to understand the significants of the time frame.
 
londonfog

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doc111 said:
I don't see that this will be relevant. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I suppose we'll see.
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it will show that Zimmerman had plenty of time to return back to his vehicle...you can't stalk someone who has done nothing to you and then claim "Stand your ground"...If you are following someone ( with ZERO authority to do so) then you yourself are the aggressor.. Its like starting a fight then killing the person and afterwords try to claim self-defense..it ain't about to happen.
 
londonfog

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Mindmelted said:
Thats what sam and UB and londonfog do.
They tell you what you are and how you think and what a little person you.
They are truley great mindreaders or as i guess just dumbfuckers who like to assume alot of shit.
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I think you meant truly and a lot ( alot is not a word)...and no we don't read minds, but we do call out bullshit. Does the truth hurt ????
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Mindmelted said:
Thats what sam and UB and londonfog do.
They tell you what you are and how you think and what a little person you.
They are truly great mindreaders or as i guess just dumbfuckers who like to assume a lot of shit.
Oh and call out WHAT they think is bullshit !!!!!
Like i said trying to tell people what they are and who they !!!!!
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assumptions like killing people is bad . . .. . . mkay

thats super dumb. . . . its so BS to respect life . . . . and expect men to stand up and take responsibility for there actions and repercussions.. . . .thats so stupid! . . .lmfao . . . . .

you trivialize Martins life because he may have punched someone/ stood up for himself

and glorify Zimmerman as hero for the rights of citizens . . .. . . .

you rationalize avoiding all that matters . Someone is dead. and i believe that if Z made responsible and rational decisions vs decisions based on fear and suspicion Martin would still be alive . . . .end of story

so ill say it again

respect life or get in the ditch you will make great worm food
 
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cliffey501

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londonfog said:
Dumb Canadian Zimmerman was on the phone after he was told not to follow for 2 minutes, which only means he should have been returning to his truck after he said ok...Hell he was only away from his truck for about 10 seconds before he was told not to follow, so if the conversation continued for another two minutes he had plenty enough time to return back to truck...instead he kept stalking Trayvon and then ended up killing him. but I guess you're to stupid to understand the significants of the time frame.
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How exactly do you stalk someone when you've lost sight of them? He clearly states he lost him in the 911 call.
 
doc111

doc111

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londonfog said:
it will show that Zimmerman had plenty of time to return back to his vehicle...you can't stalk someone who has done nothing to you and then claim "Stand your ground"...If you are following someone ( with ZERO authority to do so) then you yourself are the aggressor.. Its like starting a fight then killing the person and afterwords try to claim self-defense..it ain't about to happen.
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I believe that in the eyes of the law this assumption is incorrect. Starting a fight (a physical confrontation; throwing a punch, shoving someone, etc) and following or even "stalking" someone isn't the same thing. You don't have the right to swing on someone because they are "following" you! The defense will probably argue that Zimmerman was physically attacked first by Trayvon. They will probably argue that Zimmerman had little choice but to "defend" himself. Will a jury buy it? Depends what the evidence shows. If there is an S.O.R. form somewhere documenting that he was treated or looked at by EMS and it says he has even minor injuries as a result of some sort of scuffle that occurred between he and Trayvon?????? This could be all that's needed to raise reasonable doubt in the minds of a jury. :-?

Now about the "stalking" part......he may have been comitting a crime by following Trayvon, but that still doesn't give Trayvon the right to strike Zimmerman first. I'm not saying this is the case but this is likely going to be central to the defenses strategy. It's going to be difficult to prove that this did NOT happen. The defense doesn't have to "prove" anything so the burden will be on the state. They are going to have an uphill battle. They will probably use a lot of expert witness testimony and forensic and ballistic technical evidence. Juries have a hard time with this stuff in a lot of cases. We will have to wait and see what else the defense has up its sleeve. Maybe they do have a video and are going to bust out the "trump card"! lol!:o
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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This case brings up an interesting thought...in alot of cases over there you can kill someone and it's legal, but in all cases morally wrong...but if you smoke a joint it's always illegal, yet not morally wrong.

Common sense world we live in right?
 
Mindmelted

Mindmelted

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Harrekin said:
This case brings up an interesting thought...in alot of cases over there you can kill someone and it's legal, but in all cases morally wrong...but if you smoke a joint it's always illegal, yet not morally wrong.

Common sense world we live in right?
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It's pretty fucked up my friend.......
 
UncleBuck

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i'm gonna follow some people around in my car today down the street for a while.

then, if they get nervous and start walking away from the road through the park, i will get out of my car and follow them on foot through the park.

i expect none of them will get nervous or feel as if they are threatened in any way based on the expert testimony of the zimmerboy defenders.

after all, i have a right to stalk them crazily like that.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Stillbuzzin said:
I often wonder why a football player(Trayvon ) didnt out run Zimmerman . Yes he should have just ran, No we cant have that. The trolls wouldnt have a defense .
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It is very very hard for most people to turn their backs on a drawn gun. I don't have proof that the gun was drawn ... and no proof that it wasn't. But once the impolite device is out in the open, the rules change. cncn
 
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