canndo
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What are you talking about? we get atmospheric mercury, lead, radioactive particles, particulates and plenty of co2 to say nothing of the destructuion of the local environment. I can't see a single problem with coal.
Coal miners ask Obama to stop absolute lies
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What are you talking about? we get atmospheric mercury, lead, radioactive particles, particulates and plenty of co2 to say nothing of the destructuion of the local environment. I can't see a single problem with coal.
bigbillyrocka
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Around my parts, coal industry is booming. Hell, it's down right fanatical! I was asked to apply but alas, they do hair follicle testing and of which they span back 5 years. (although i heard by law its 90 days at the furthest?) Either way, i'm assed out of a job and maybe that's why some people are saying he "lies", because they're dirty and cant find a job. I at least admit to my marijuana usage.
On the other hand, most of the coal (and oil guys) around me are dirt bag meth addicts. Must be due to all the long hours and the fact it metabolizes out of their system so fast. Blah...
On the other hand, most of the coal (and oil guys) around me are dirt bag meth addicts. Must be due to all the long hours and the fact it metabolizes out of their system so fast. Blah...
polyarcturus
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they really should lol....
but people really need to stop blaming obama for the economy thats not his fault... what is his fault is a lot of lack of movement and broken promises.
FreedomWorks
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Name 3 things Obama is doing to lower the price of gas. Besides cut back drilling contracts in half on federal land.
Ringsixty
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UB...this is always your typical response. Spam, spam, spam....blah
Praying @ your Obama Idol gives you a tingle.
canndo
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He is not doing anything to lower the price of gas - I thought you guys didn't like government interference in private industry, I thought you didn't believe in direct government intervention.
the majority of oil leases on federal land have gone unused Freedomworks. We have more active rigs than at any time since 1985.
Our largest current export is gasoline, so what exactly are you talking about?
I think that this conversation is split among believers of climate change and nonbelievers of climate change. Of course there are exceptions, I'm sure. And I'm also sure that there are some that believe jobs are what we need and we should do that at all costs regarding climate change- Although that isn't much of an argument because energy needs will be filled no matter what. Therefore, if coal jobs are lost, renewable energy jobs will be created- Or if coal is used but it must be in a clean manner, then jobs are created anyways- as that is an industry in it's own, thus a neutral effect on jobs created/lost, probably an increase in jobs. It's a matter of supply and demand and capitalism in general.
So I really do think that its a matter of belief in climate change. And I really hate talking like: "If you believe"- As if it was a rumor you heard in line at the store. It's not a rumor. Climate change is real- Backed by numbers and science. So many independent studies and scientists have shown the proof. That is- Not studies funded by Big Oil!!! Or by people with an interest in that matter at all. 97% of international scientists and study groups agree with this. Where is the question?
The only question that some may ask is whether or not it's because of humans. And of course it is, shown again by numerous studies.
Climate change is the only thing that I see standing in the way of this conversation.
So I really do think that its a matter of belief in climate change. And I really hate talking like: "If you believe"- As if it was a rumor you heard in line at the store. It's not a rumor. Climate change is real- Backed by numbers and science. So many independent studies and scientists have shown the proof. That is- Not studies funded by Big Oil!!! Or by people with an interest in that matter at all. 97% of international scientists and study groups agree with this. Where is the question?
The only question that some may ask is whether or not it's because of humans. And of course it is, shown again by numerous studies.
Climate change is the only thing that I see standing in the way of this conversation.
FreedomWorks
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LOL. The only contracts that are not being taken up by oil companies are all in far out areas, and difficult to drill places, and spots where there is very little oil. So of course nobody goes there. I'm talking about lowering taxes on gasoline, and stop suffocating the middle class with your administrative state. Stop writing a whole new code for oil refineries every 8-10 months. It costs money to keep up and comply with Obama's EPA, its cheaper and easier just to export it. You already know what its about. Same thing its been about starting under George Bush and now its getting worse under Obama. All your regulations, fees, new policies. Obama has done nothing to cut back on any of those things. He does cut back on drilling though.
canndo
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Why then do they perpetuate the leases Freedom? Hmmm? Now I said that we have more producing rigs than we have had since '85 with the trend being an upward one since 09, what does that say for your theory that Obama is doing nothing? or is that simply another coincidence?
Yes, it does cost money to keep up with the EPA, and we want clean air - or have you a problem with being able to breath?
how about some evidence as to that statement you make that it isthe EPA that is forcing gas exports.
Now how are we exporting and producing more gasoline but Obama is 'cutting back on drilling" eventhough we have- as I said twice, more producing rigs now than we had in '85?
I see you tend to regurgitate the same talking points no matter what evidence is put before you.
To expand the conversation a bit- or a lot- Should we allow Oil or Coal companies to come and drill our natural resources out from under us and make a tremendous profit from it? Aren't those resources "our" resources. Our meaning the nation as a whole- considering the land it's on, not private? Or is this seen as communist? You know, profiting from what's rightfully ours. I know oil companies and others pay royalties- but a fraction of the cost of the oil and costs to drill it given the huge profits seen by oil companies such as Exxon.
Governor Sarah Palin did something similar in Alaska. She returned some of the profits from oil to the citizens of Alaska. She was very popular widely regarded as a good governor in that state because of that. I think they all received something like $3,000 from it (I can check the exact dollar amount if someone would like).
Instead we let big oil companies come and drill OUR oil out from beneath us and then sell it back to us for a profit. Seems silly to me. What do you all think? Should we change that? Maybe keep it the same but then recover some of the profit from it being sold back to us? From resources drilled or mined that is technically ours?
Governor Sarah Palin did something similar in Alaska. She returned some of the profits from oil to the citizens of Alaska. She was very popular widely regarded as a good governor in that state because of that. I think they all received something like $3,000 from it (I can check the exact dollar amount if someone would like).
Instead we let big oil companies come and drill OUR oil out from beneath us and then sell it back to us for a profit. Seems silly to me. What do you all think? Should we change that? Maybe keep it the same but then recover some of the profit from it being sold back to us? From resources drilled or mined that is technically ours?
canndo
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you forget that not only do we give them subsidies - like delaying or forgoing royalties - small ones at that, but we give welhead depleation tax breaks. In short we let them have more money because there is less of what we originaly gave them in the ground. All the while selling us the end result at a profit.
But we want to afford them the ability to drill more so they can sell it overseas at an even greater profit. And to a Republican this is somehow a sound business practice.
NLXSK1
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It is called a free market. If you want to see gas prices skyrocket, just give the government the decision making process of who can sell where...
FreedomWorks
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Just like every other sector of the economy, the executive branch of the federal government has put sanctions in place to increase the desire to outsource jobs and energy to countries over seas. You have failed to adress my point that why would companies refine gas here if they can sell crude oil faster and for more profit over seas? Do you not understand economics or something?
FreedomWorks
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In 2006 the Democrats and the media screamed bloody murder over the high price of gas. When Barack Obama was inaugurated, the average gas price was $1.87 a gallon. Now that the price has more than doubled, what are the Democrats and the administration saying now? If you guessed that high gas prices under Obama are somehow a good thing, give yourself a pat on the back. The liberal mindset is always an amazing thing to behold.
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canndo
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It isn't a free market when government offers not only the resource but the subsidies, now is it.
FreedomWorks
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90 billion dollars in green energy subsidies for companies destined to fail is good policy?
canndo
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When the price of oil was at its highest under Bush, he was busy filling our strategic oil reserve.
Beyond that, I didn't blame Bush for high gas prices - nor did you. Yet now you seem to be blaming Obama for the same thing - need I remind you that the federal tax on gasoline was the same under both presidents?
Shall we talk about a conservative mindset that holds character to be the prime indicator of presidential quality - until the only option they have is a characterless candidate - and then that argument is nowhere to be had.
FreedomWorks
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Why do you want to take us back to the bad days? Yes I did blame Bush and the democrat congress. Now I blame Obama. He has done nothing to help the middle class with gas prices. How about moving "Forward" with lower taxes, less regulation, and less excuses. You are desperately avoiding my question. Why would companies refine gas here if they can sell crude oil faster and for more profit over seas?
Ah, yes, the free market- Prop them up and give them deals. Nothing like good ol' crony capitalism.
canndo
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Our biggest export is Gasoline, not crude, seems like you are arguing from an abject lack of knowlege. I love it how righties seem to think they are the only ones who comprehend economics when they are the ones who figured trickle down would work, and some still do.
It is refined products Freedomworks, your argument doesn't hold up.
