America, the only country to use nuclear weapons. Did they save lives?

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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fb360 said:
No we didn't... You should educate yourself before arguing fallacy.

We fought many battles with the Japanese, resulting in many American deaths, before we nuked them.

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Are you fucking kidding? You mean WAR? They decided to kamikaze some of our ships in Pearl Harbor, we declared war and proceeded as so. Americans died fighting for their opportunity to surrender. We gave them time and their opportunity, they chose to say no. Moreover, if they hadn't finally came to get a grasp on reality after the nukes, we would have killed all of them.
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Read a historical account that wasn't doctored by fascists.

Not kidding at all, the US was only willing to accept unconditional surrender and was therefore unwilling to accept the surrender that the Japanese wanted which included not killing the emperor. They tried to broker such a surrender through Stalin but Truman and Churchill demanded that he invade Japan instead. Once the red army joined the fight it was like the worst possible fear for Japan. The irony is, the emperor wasn't even killed.

I bet you think the US defeated Nazi Germany too, nope, the red army did the real fighting.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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This is like debating the use of horses at Waterloo, pointless!........We did it, & we'd do it again.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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It saved overall lives, not just those of Americans and their allies. Even if the firebombing campaign would have stopped Operation Downfall (the ground force invasion of the Home Islands) it would have cost millions of Japanese their lives.

And that is why Japanese bowed to American guests after the war. It was a twofer: a quick ending to the war, and a show of a face card going into the foreordained Cold War. cn
 
desert dude

desert dude

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abandonconflict said:
How many were military? My guess is less than a thousand total.
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That was how WWII was fought. Precision weapons are a creation of the late twentieth century.

Here is a famous, and true story about the difference between conventional ballistic bombing and guided weapons. During the VietNam conflict there was a bridge in the north that the US wanted to destroy. They sent multiple sorties of aircraft and dropped hundreds of bombs trying to destroy that bridge with no success. A precision guided bomb using a TV camera and a data link that allowed a bombardier to manually fly the bomb to its target. It was called the "Wall Eye". The military decided to try it out on that NV bridge. The bridge was destroyed with a single bomb.

War sucks. The best thing is not to engage in it in the first place. Sometimes it is forced upon you.
 
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