There is another thread going on asking about vapes as well, my .02 cents, the Arizer Extreme Q, I've been using it daily for over a year and can be used with a bag or a whip. I was a long time joint-pipe-bong smoker that developed a constant cough, after switching to the Arizer the cough is gone but the high remains. Keep in mind it's not the exact same high but it's good, I like it.