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Tuberville acknowledges ‘hard’ situation for women after Alabama IVF ruling
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state’s Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to legislation dealing with the wrongful death of a minor.
“That’s a hard one. It really is,” Tuberville told reporters at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday, when asked what he would say to women in Alabama who will not have access to in vitro fertilization (IVF) as a result of the ruling.
“Because again, you really want people to have that opportunity,” he continued, referring to the opportunity to have children.
“We need more kids,” he said.
Tuberville said that he has not yet seen the decision, adding that it is “a state issue.”
When asked again what he would say to women who would not have access to the treatment, Tuberville said, “That’s unfortunate.”
“I’d have to look at what they’re agreeing to and not agreeing to. I haven’t seen that,” he said.
Tuberville went on to say he believes an embryo is a child.
The court’s majority decision, which was released earlier this week, was in response to a lawsuit brought by a group of IVF patients whose frozen embryos were destroyed in December 2020 when a patient removed the embryos from a cryogenic storage unit and dropped them on the ground.
Defendants have argued that considering frozen embryos as children would result in numerous consequences for people seeking IVF, including making the process more expensive and preserving embryos more “onerous.”
Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the University of Alabama at Birmingham health system announced that it would be pausing all IVF treatments due to the risk of lawsuits and criminal prosecution.
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley faced pushback earlier this week after she told NBC News, “Embryos, to me, are babies.”
In a separate interview Wednesday, Haley said she believed an embryo was a child when asked about the decision, but added she was not saying she agreed with the ruling.
“Well, first of all, I didn’t — I mean, this is again, I didn’t say that I agreed with the Alabama ruling. What the question that I was asked is, ‘Do I believe an embryo is a baby?’” Haley said. “I do think that if you look in the definition, an embryo is considered an unborn baby. And so, yes, I believe from my stance that that is.”
“The difference is — and this is what I say about abortion as well — we need to treat these issues with the utmost respect,” she added.
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Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state’s Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to legislation dealing with the wrongful death of a minor.
“That’s a hard one. It really is,” Tuberville told reporters at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday, when asked what he would say to women in Alabama who will not have access to in vitro fertilization (IVF) as a result of the ruling.
“Because again, you really want people to have that opportunity,” he continued, referring to the opportunity to have children.
“We need more kids,” he said.
Tuberville said that he has not yet seen the decision, adding that it is “a state issue.”
When asked again what he would say to women who would not have access to the treatment, Tuberville said, “That’s unfortunate.”
“I’d have to look at what they’re agreeing to and not agreeing to. I haven’t seen that,” he said.
Tuberville went on to say he believes an embryo is a child.
The court’s majority decision, which was released earlier this week, was in response to a lawsuit brought by a group of IVF patients whose frozen embryos were destroyed in December 2020 when a patient removed the embryos from a cryogenic storage unit and dropped them on the ground.
Defendants have argued that considering frozen embryos as children would result in numerous consequences for people seeking IVF, including making the process more expensive and preserving embryos more “onerous.”
Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the University of Alabama at Birmingham health system announced that it would be pausing all IVF treatments due to the risk of lawsuits and criminal prosecution.
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley faced pushback earlier this week after she told NBC News, “Embryos, to me, are babies.”
In a separate interview Wednesday, Haley said she believed an embryo was a child when asked about the decision, but added she was not saying she agreed with the ruling.
“Well, first of all, I didn’t — I mean, this is again, I didn’t say that I agreed with the Alabama ruling. What the question that I was asked is, ‘Do I believe an embryo is a baby?’” Haley said. “I do think that if you look in the definition, an embryo is considered an unborn baby. And so, yes, I believe from my stance that that is.”
“The difference is — and this is what I say about abortion as well — we need to treat these issues with the utmost respect,” she added.
Tuberville acknowledges ‘hard’ situation for women after Alabama IVF ruling
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state’s Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to leg…
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cannabineer
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… but we need to stop immigration!
Racism as an axiom: he means we need more white kids. The “great replacement” rears its head again.
Fogdog
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The judge who documented reasons behind the court's ruling invoked God and God's wrath in his justification for his ruling.Tuberville acknowledges ‘hard’ situation for women after Alabama IVF ruling
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state’s Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to legislation dealing with the wrongful death of a minor.
“That’s a hard one. It really is,” Tuberville told reporters at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday, when asked what he would say to women in Alabama who will not have access to in vitro fertilization (IVF) as a result of the ruling.
“Because again, you really want people to have that opportunity,” he continued, referring to the opportunity to have children.
“We need more kids,” he said.
Tuberville said that he has not yet seen the decision, adding that it is “a state issue.”
When asked again what he would say to women who would not have access to the treatment, Tuberville said, “That’s unfortunate.”
“I’d have to look at what they’re agreeing to and not agreeing to. I haven’t seen that,” he said.
Tuberville went on to say he believes an embryo is a child.
The court’s majority decision, which was released earlier this week, was in response to a lawsuit brought by a group of IVF patients whose frozen embryos were destroyed in December 2020 when a patient removed the embryos from a cryogenic storage unit and dropped them on the ground.
Defendants have argued that considering frozen embryos as children would result in numerous consequences for people seeking IVF, including making the process more expensive and preserving embryos more “onerous.”
Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the University of Alabama at Birmingham health system announced that it would be pausing all IVF treatments due to the risk of lawsuits and criminal prosecution.
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley faced pushback earlier this week after she told NBC News, “Embryos, to me, are babies.”
In a separate interview Wednesday, Haley said she believed an embryo was a child when asked about the decision, but added she was not saying she agreed with the ruling.
“Well, first of all, I didn’t — I mean, this is again, I didn’t say that I agreed with the Alabama ruling. What the question that I was asked is, ‘Do I believe an embryo is a baby?’” Haley said. “I do think that if you look in the definition, an embryo is considered an unborn baby. And so, yes, I believe from my stance that that is.”
“The difference is — and this is what I say about abortion as well — we need to treat these issues with the utmost respect,” she added.
Tuberville acknowledges ‘hard’ situation for women after Alabama IVF ruling
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state’s Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to leg…
1A: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Haley and Tuberville are entitled to practice their religion however they want. Whatever God Chief Justice Judge Parker invoked is his own and not necessarily the one that others believe in.
The Alabama Chief Justice Who Invoked God in Deciding the Embryo Case
Chief Justice Tom Parker has long been revered by conservative groups as an architect for the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
The Alabama Chief Justice Who Invoked God in Deciding the Embryo Case
the court’s chief justice, Tom Parker, drew on more than the Constitution and legal precedent to explain his determination.
“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God,” he wrote in a concurring opinion that invoked the Book of Genesis and the prophet Jeremiah and quoted at length from the writings of 16th- and 17th-century theologians.
“Even before birth,” he added, “all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
My Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses just blacked out.
Gotta go. Nothing to see here.
Bagginski
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Just like Tennessee forbade discussion of evolution in schools, & had a state law setting the value of ‘pi’ @ 3.140…they have real problems w/ things (& people) being the way they are & not how they’re told to beSomebody at a fertility clinic dropped a tray of frozen embryos. According to Alabama, they committed some form of homicide. Fertility clinics are now childcare facilities. A military couple who put away a fertilized egg or two or ten in case one of them die in war. Or a single woman who was about to undergo surgery and stored a fertilized egg or ten in case they wanted to become a parent at a later time. Congratulations, you have a family!!!
Alabama Rules Frozen Embryos Are Children, Raising Questions About Fertility Care
The ruling raises worrisome legal issues for would-be parents far beyond Alabama whose hopes for children may depend on in vitro fertilization.www.nytimes.com
Alabama Rules Frozen Embryos Are Children, Raising Questions About Fertility Care
An Alabama Supreme Court’s ruling that frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children has sent shock waves through the world of reproductive medicine, casting doubt over fertility care for would-be parents in the state and raising complex legal questions with implications extending far beyond Alabama.
On Tuesday, Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, said the ruling would cause “exactly the type of chaos that we expected when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and paved the way for politicians to dictate some of the most personal decisions families can make.”
Bagginski
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Non-white kids are just machine parts; white kids are the coming reich
cannabineer
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Reference please.
I did find this dorkly amusing tale.
Indiana pi bill - Wikipedia
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
And their dark minions the dominionists
printer
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Reference please.
I did find this dorkly amusing tale.
.Indiana pi bill - Wikipedia
Happy Pi Day. Indiana once tried to define pi as 3.2. The bill almost passed.
The Indiana state legislature once took up a bill to define pi as 3.2. It almost passed.
Fogdog
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Who is the minion of who?
cannabineer
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D’oh!
bursto
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From Quora, a different take, and damning to those who preach against masturbation.
What does "spill your seed" mean in the Bible?
Answer (1 of 21): In relation to Onan, which is the only use of this phrase I am aware of in the Bible, his sin was ignoring God’s provision re Levirate marriage, not ejaculating onto the ground, which is neither here nor there. (Genesis 38:6–10) Basically, Onan did not want to have a child with ...www.quora.com
In its precise context, it basically refers to “pulling out".
It was a sin because Onan had a moral duty to be a surrogate for his late brother and impregnate his childless, widowed sister-in-law (yes, that was a belief then) so (1) his late brother would have an heir and (2) his widow would have a son-qua-old-age-pension.
This was the practice of Levirate “Marriage". It was an ancient Near Eastern practice/law that predated the Torah by a millennium, but the Torah accepts/incorporates it. The child would be the legitimate son (for some reason, the practce never considers the possibility of a daughter) of the late brother. Once the widow was pregnant, sexual relations had to stop. Again, no mention is made of what happens in the case of miscarriage, stillbirth, or a girl.
Onan's sin was 2-fold: first, he was refusing to perform his duty to his brother and sister-in-law, and second, still went through the motions of doing so effectively using his sister-in-law as a reusable masturbating machine. Though moderns tend to see a sin of lust, the generation of the Exodus saw a sin of greed and an offense against family and charity: that is, Onan's motive wasn't the pursuit of sexual pleasure without consequences, but of wanting to hog the family inheritance for himself and his children who would bear his name.
Additionally, there was the offense of dishonoring both his brother and sister-in-law: by defying/evading the purpose and perpetuating what was supposed to be a very temporary, in extremis, relationship, he was committing both adultery and rape.
So the background to this story is that Judah, Joseph's brother had three sons, first Er, then Onan, then Shelah. Then Judah Took Tamar to be the wife of his firstborn son Er, but ,as Quoted from the bible...."But Er, Judah's firstborn was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord killed him."
Israel attributed both good and evil, life and death, to God. The premature death was judgement for Er's undefined wickedness.
So, then Judah said to Onan, the second born son, (genesis 38:8.) "go into your brothers wife and marry her, and raise up an heir to your brother"
The first born to the levirate marriage was considered the child of the dead brother, so reading on from 38.9
"But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother's wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD; therefore He killed him also."
in hebrew the word for when, can also mean whenever, so it seams that Onan would never accept his responsibility to father a child. Onan was judged for his continued, planned rebellion against the purpose of marriage.
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cannabineer
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Thank you for the exegesis.
Sativied
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I’ve heard this story before. Or watched it. Wasn’t on the ground but same basic premise.
Bolshevism
Ok that’s not funny anymore. Do you realize who you are repeating?
Hitler on Russia and Bolshevism (1924)
Hitler on Russia and Bolshevism, an extract from Mein Kampf, published in 1924.
alphahistory.com
Yikes.
cannabineer
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I think this one knew, and was bored enough to troll a politics forum.I’ve heard this story before. Or watched it. Wasn’t on the ground but same basic premise.
Bolshevism
Ok that’s not funny anymore. Do you realize who you are repeating?
Hitler on Russia and Bolshevism (1924)
Hitler on Russia and Bolshevism, an extract from Mein Kampf, published in 1924.alphahistory.com
Yikes.
bursto
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No problem, furthermore, if you continue to read on you will find out, its important because Tamar went on to have twins, one called, Perez and the other Zerah, King David was a descendant of Perez, and therefore many generations later, Jesus was also a descendant of Tamar, as he was foretold to come from the house of David.
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Fogdog
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Yeah, and other religions have other beliefs so fuck that. A founding principle of this country assumed that in order for this country to prosper, people of different religions HAD to make this country their own. SO. it could not be founded upon a single religious ideology. And we succeeded.
Science provides alternate answers to the mumbo jumbo handed down from the ancient past. You can't freeze a baby and see it live but you can freeze a fertilized egg. The two are not the same. I don't believe there is a God either. My belief, mine. But hey, if you want to believe differently, I'm completely willing to work next to you to make this country better. The constitution that this country lives by allows differences like that. A religious cult has established a toe-hold and it won't stand for long either. We don't need religion to guide us. In fact, religion would make impossible the multicultural society that we hope one day to have, where everybody has an equal chance to follow their own path.
Oh and if somebody doesn't like abortion, don't get one. The Dobbs decision will not hold.
Fogdog
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Whatever church you want to worship in, you are welcome to worship there and live by whatever your beliefs your religion calls for. Within reason.
bursto
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Religion is not God, its man kinds attempt to understand the mind of God, i prefer to stick with what the bible actually says, rather than join a specific religion like Seventh Day Adventists or say the Roman catholic church, or any other you care to mention
revelation 7.9
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
seems to me, a multicultural society is every bit part of Gods plan
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Fogdog
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You can quote it and I'd like to respect people who do. But it's instances like this, where bible thumpers use that dusty document to tell millions of people they can't live the lives they choose, that I'd rather just wipe my ass with your holy text. Fertilized eggs are not the same as people. Just, not. It does NOT say so in that high price stack of TP.
So, I'm fine with you having your religion. I'm even OK if you want to babble words written thousands of years ago about a people and society long dead as if it means something to you. And you might not even agree with the decisions handed down by right wing judges in the US recently, IDK. All I know is our Constitution forbids the government from interfering with other's religious beliefs and my science based belief does not hold that a fertilized egg is a person. Nor does the government have the right to interfere with a woman's right to make her own medical decisions.