1g per watt question

you could make a vert grow square 4 sided
this fat guy is only talking theory i have hard fact vert is better
the only reason that it hasn't caught on like wild fire is because it looks hard
this is the same thing people thought about hydro when it came out " it look to hard to build"
but now its everywhere

not saying fatboy dont make a good arguement he's a smart guy he clames tobe an engineer of some sort
but he's wrong about verts his math dont makes sence to me, idk, but its just sounds like he's saying it take more energy and time to run a vert system and hes wrong in my book

verts, its the future because its better

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hey 5hit you wanna bring those you tube vids over to https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/263751-vertical-growing.html, we should make this a legit disscusion.

Fatman, I hope you'll contribute too. I think open disscusion will cause some conflict but properly managed conflict is what spurs the most informed disscisions.

kiss-ass man u dont have to belive me but u are forgetting verticle footage as well who said anything about traditional sog? i have designed my own hydro set the uses vertical and horizontal design i even grow them up side down sokiss-ass

last grow i hit the 1g per watt it was nice always got close but this time i hit it



1 600 watter in a 5x5 room plants grown up to 6 foot, 6 plants


thats just 3.5 ozs per plant but for some reason i always have 1 plant with a shit load of ozs and like one gimp one and the rest in between


ya but I think the trick is to grow them real big or have a shitload of little ones, and to save time you make your clones like 1 month before you chop so your next batch is ready to flower when you chopping your current crop.


i just have a small budbox in my grow room where i veg the next generation while its parents are out working making me buds

Reflector loss and the use of a single build to try to light a rectangle that is too long can be definite be a disadvantages to a horizontal SOG. However that is a minor problem with a system properly proportioned to the lighting especially if your using a multiple of bulbs. while the purchase cost is higher they are an advantage on both vertical and horizontal grows. Here is great reflector material so you can pretty much forget about the reflector loss aspect unless you planned on using poorly designed and constructed reflectors. http://anomet.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php As you can see a refector material is available with up to 98% refectibility properties. If you need a cut out pattern to make good reflectors I can email that to any email address taking attachments. It can be scaled to nay size you wish. It is the pattern for making the LumenArc reflector. This design has been independently tested to be the best reflector on the retail market. http://www.lumenarclighting.com/proddetail.asp?prod=L3 They are called Diamond Light reflectors in this test. The pattern I have is designed with a glass holding lip so that you can add a panel and then you just add air hoses for cooling. No I can not post the pattern on line as LumenArc lawyers would raise heel. It used to be posted several places online but those sites are now shut down.

That aside we are down to is there really any advantage now to a vertical grow except a smaller foot print? There are many disadvantages. Considering a HID out put patterns without a properly designed reflector there is no possibilty of anywhere near equal PAR available over any area lit by the bulb. In a horizontal grow there will be a very noticeable and unavidable hot spot of intense lighting directly perpendicular to the lights iner bulbs center. The light received will lessen in PAR as you moved up or down fromthat point. It will drop p off quicker at the Mogul end of the bulb. With a reflector light the PAR received over the rae lit is more even so the palnts growth and date of harvest will be basically the same. Use multiple lights and that will be evemn more the case. Plus smaller multiple light s are less intsense so the heat output is less so the bulbs can be closer to the plants so PAR is increased. Add cooled bulbs and that allows even more efficient use of multiple lights with reflectors. Add the increased ease of e aeroponics applied cheaply and efficiently with a horizontal SOs and the ease to set it up as a seales system with climate control and cheap CO2 supllementationand verticals are religated to old school comparable systems of soil growing, hand warering, carbon cans and fans.

You can also buy the large diameter glass tubing to make your own cool tubes cheaply. http://www.winshipdesigns.com/home/ws3/page_16547_35/150x3x1500mm_simax_tubing.html This is a 6" by 5 foot tube. They will cut it for $4 per cut. Typically the tubes are 15" to 20" long depending on you light bulb size.

ledgrowing said:

kiss-ass man u dont have to belive me but u are forgetting verticle footage as well who said anything about traditional sog? i have designed my own hydro set the uses vertical and horizontal design i even grow them up side down sokiss-ass

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That sounds pretty bad ass, could you post up a pic? my dissblelief was in how non-chalant about pulling in 2 grm/watt. If your doing 1g/wt let alone 2g's your no rookie..

Well done

I know some medical marijuana growers that grow hydroponic with hydroton is 5 gallon buckets with lids. The bud only three plants at a time while cloning and vegging three. They grow normally until the plants are three foot tall. Then the turn the plants sideways on top of chicken wire to keep them off the floor and from drooping. They then let them grow for two to three weeks in veg before they switch over to 12/12. It allows them to stay within their state guidelines of only six plants total, and gives them higher yields than a straight conventional grow.

Math has nothing to do with growing the posable and inposable is subject to nature not numbers idea are grate and the results of other can inspire you but it take years to get good at growing in one year you can learn and get growing and get your feet wet butyou will most likely only have 4 harvest the first will be .10 to .35 gpw at best you may hit one pound a light with high yield strains by grow 3 if you throw money at it like crazy but it will take min 6 lights a sealed room co2 and a grate nutrient program and the right medium and if your in a leagal state forget about making a dime past rent ext with less then 12 lights and as of today I give it 18 months till that cherry sanerieo is shit on

this was a grow last year, pre98 bubba

6 -1000s ...12 x 18 room ....50 plants.... little over 10 pounds ..

.74 g per watt






Now if we switch strains... Double Diesel

25 plants that produced almost 8 pounds.... under 4 -1000 .89 g per watt

colonuggs said:

this was a grow last year, pre98 bubba

6 -1000s ...12 x 18 room ....50 plants.... little over 10 pounds ..

.74 g per watt




Now if we switch strains... Double Diesel

25 plants that produced almost 8 pounds.... under 4 -1000 .89 g per watt

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no doubt in my mind that you could get 1 g per watt if the room was completely covered in a sog however you would have trouble trying to water those plants

really all one has to do is put more plants and train the hell out of them.

colonuggs said:

this was a grow last year, pre98 bubba

6 -1000s ...12 x 18 room ....50 plants.... little over 10 pounds ..

.74 g per watt

Now if we switch strains... Double Diesel

25 plants that produced almost 8 pounds.... under 4 -1000 .89 g per watt

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shit i gota show you how to cram. your room is beautiful.

cerberus said:

I am having a disscusion with a firend, we both mentioned the goal of 1g p/watt BUT does that come from the veg room + the flower?

ex. say I have a 600 watter in the veg and a 1000 watter in the flower, what is the ideal yeild? 600 or 1000 or some sketchy math equation.


just a high as hell question, peace

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the formula is ; grams per watt per 30 days.
http://books.google.com/books?id=LvnxcADQnCUC&lpg=PA12&dq=grams per watt&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=grams per watt&f=false

That 5hit said:

there's a guy on here that yeilds
40 + oz's from one 600W hps
1.8gpw grams per watt

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Where is this guys bible, id love to read about his methods, ill keep looking.

Ninjabowler said:

Where is this guys bible, id love to read about his methods, ill keep looking.

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not sure who that dudes talking about but this dude gets just over 2 gpw with a 600w vertical sog.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html

cerberus said:

I am having a disscusion with a firend, we both mentioned the goal of 1g p/watt BUT does that come from the veg room + the flower?

ex. say I have a 600 watter in the veg and a 1000 watter in the flower, what is the ideal yeild? 600 or 1000 or some sketchy math equation.


just a high as hell question, peace

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Well... IF you're just taking clones from the mother room I would take the average of both rooms IE. room1 = 600 watts, room 2 = 400 watts 600+400=1000 now we divide 1000 by the number of rooms since the plants arent under a total of 1000 watts, so 1000/2 = 500. You're target is now 500 watts, 500 grams.

There is grow journals on here of folks going over 2.5 grams per watt on grows, this place is like a damn circus, same people askin the same questions hundreds of times

There is a thread on this site, actually a couple over 100 pages long of a guy showing folkshow to grow and going over 2.5 grams/watt each time

S7M said:

There is grow journals on here of folks going over 2.5 grams per watt on grows, this place is like a damn circus, same people askin the same questions hundreds of times

There is a thread on this site, actually a couple over 100 pages long of a guy showing folkshow to grow and going over 2.5 grams/watt each time

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Should be stickied

I think the only way to hit 1 gram per watt is a vertical setup.
You have an exponential jump in surface area to utilize.

colonuggs said:

this was a grow last year, pre98 bubba

6 -1000s ...12 x 18 room ....50 plants.... little over 10 pounds ..

.74 g per watt

Now if we switch strains... Double Diesel

25 plants that produced almost 8 pounds.... under 4 -1000 .89 g per watt

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Beautiful, just fucking beautiful.

This thread? TL;DR.

gpw is a bad measure of efficiency. I could veg a crazy scrog around a 250w for 2 months and go 1.5 gpw easy.

An decent measure of efficiency would be grams per kwh. But potheads are too lazy to do the math.