20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Kamie...Iwould try thr Connoiseur if I were you on at least a few plants. Then you can see if it is worth the very high cost.

Veggin and Kamie...I do not use a PH pen since going on AN. I DO use a TDS pen and mix my nutes at 1000ppm. If you use the AN formulas your ppm will be very high (2000ish)

collective gardener said:

Kamie...Iwould try thr Connoiseur if I were you on at least a few plants. Then you can see if it is worth the very high cost.

Veggin and Kamie...I do not use a PH pen since going on AN. I DO use a TDS pen and mix my nutes at 1000ppm. If you use the AN formulas your ppm will be very high (2000ish)

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Hey CG, i'm planning to pick up the connoiseur next week. which brand and model of the TDS pen are you using? i just sprayed the plants with spectracide last night to get it ready for 12/12 next week. i looked at it this morning and it looked great. Do light do you use when you spray your plants when theyre sleeping? i bought these green eye led to work on the room when its sleeping but im actually looking into some bulbs i can hook up to the room so i dont have to wear that lamp on my head..

kamie said:

Hey CG, i'm planning to pick up the connoiseur next week. which brand and model of the TDS pen are you using? i just sprayed the plants with spectracide last night to get it ready for 12/12 next week. i looked at it this morning and it looked great. Do light do you use when you spray your plants when theyre sleeping? i bought these green eye led to work on the room when its sleeping but im actually looking into some bulbs i can hook up to the room so i dont have to wear that lamp on my head..

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I never work in the bloom room at night. I spray with lights on, but right before they go out for the night.

collective gardener said:

I never work in the bloom room at night. I spray with lights on, but right before they go out for the night.

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is it okay to spray 1 hr before lights out?

I have been reading AN website and there is so much there that I am getting lost. They have the gardeners value pack but I do not know what I will need. I thought I would need some cal mag to presoak the blocks with along with a nute base. I am more lost now than when I started reading HELP LOL

Stay with the basics dont get lost with all there crap!
1) Pick a base nute line
2) big bud, b52, overdrive, sensi cal a, and b

Thanks alot they have so much out its easy to get lost

I think thats there method of sales lol

Haven't talked gardening in a while. With plant limits the oz/plant is becoming a new form of measuring yield. While I know it's possible to pull over an Lb, I don't think it's too light efficient. I have started to see some 4oz plants in my garden. That's not bad for a plant 36" tall. The real trick here is the pre flower pruning. Here's 2 pics of a perfectly pruned plant week 2 of bloom. The top view shows what the light sees...the most important viewpoint:



The plant was only topped once. But, all throughout veg the inner/upper fan leaves were removed as they grew in. I continue to remove those leaves through the plant's entire life cycle. About week 2 of bloom I decide where to lolipop. I lolipop at the point where no light gets to the plant...usually 1/3 of the way up the plant. I will leave the fan leaves on down low...just removing shoots. These leaves can be important nute reserves later and need no light to do so. The outer fan leaves can stay on till about week 5/6 in bloom. Then I want the plants to get max light deep into the canopy. By the time the plant is being flushed there are very few leaves with any stem visable. This ripens the lower buds and makes trimming that much easier. I would say, on average, I remove 2 leaves/day/plant all throughout bloom. With this plant I really concentrated on pruning in the early veg phase. Thgis paid off big time. 25 of these plants will fill an 8x8 tray. You can do the math.

With regards to your pruning it does not look evasive on the first round of pruning.Alot of people do not like to prune but your showing results that can only be done by pruning. Have you thought of LST your plants to get more yield out of them?

stonestare said:

With regards to your pruning it does not look evasive on the first round of pruning.Alot of people do not like to prune but your showing results that can only be done by pruning. Have you thought of LST your plants to get more yield out of them?

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If you read back 50 pages or so you'll see that we used to LST. I found it to be inferior to topping and selective pruning. I've found lst to work better on very large plants. I've also seen that anything over 4oz/plant becomes inefficient. In other words, an 8 oz plant takes up 3-4 times the room as a 4 oz plant. It's old school knowledge that more smaller plants is a better use of space and will almost always yield more than fewer larger plants. Hence, SOG is born. But, with plants counts becoming an issue, a little loss in efficiency can be tolerated in exchange for lower plant count and reduced legal risk. I believe that plants in the 2-4 ounce range offer a very nice balance between yield/sq ft and plant count. As I talked abouty in an earlier post, my best yield was with 9 plants/sq ft. If I did that today I'd have 1,800 plants in my bloom room...not really an option in the current climate.

I will have to go back and read for sure. You settled one of my all time questions and that is plant size. Indoors is a real switch from having 12' trees outside. Once again thanks for the information

how did you bloom them with the 9 per sqft? was is it cubes over a slab?
running minimum 50w per sq/ft youd be doing 5 yrs just for running a single 1kw. im not going any further on how stupid that is haha

sharpshoota said:

how did you bloom them with the 9 per sqft? was is it cubes over a slab?
running minimum 50w per sq/ft youd be doing 5 yrs just for running a single 1kw. im not going any further on how stupid that is haha

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4" blocks touching eachother on an ebb and flow table with a 1" flood every 4 hrs.

buckd316 said:

@ collective gardener -- How did you find your "cannabis attorney" andany recommendations?

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I think NORML has a list of attorneys. Mine was referred to me by Commercial J.

was it difficult to start a collective?

CG could you explain how difficult it is to suspend those inline fans from the ceiling and the ducting I see at the beginning of your thread it looks almost like bungee cords are supporting them but I can just never picture how they would hold to a point where one would be comfortable with leaving them there for awhile if you get what i'm saying I have a small setup where my inline fan just sits on the ground and basically pulls the air away from the light out of the closet. Also is two fans per row of lights standard? which inline fan would need more CFM the intake or the exhaust?

CG would it be possible for you to pm me what you are using for nutes, I know you said conassuer but how much does a person need as far as differant types of nutes?

stonestare said:

CG would it be possible for you to pm me what you are using for nutes, I know you said conassuer but how much does a person need as far as differant types of nutes?

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last i read he uses advanced nutrients--conissieur ab, b-52, big bud
A.O.- final
and a cal mag supplement..
there is no 1 magic nute combo. just read and uderstand your plants as well as their phases. it may take a few crops to really find a combo that meets your expectations.