20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.....

CJ = the result of a TWISTED FOX news experiment, paid for by the Christian COnservative TERRORISTS, in which Sarah Palin and John McCain were bred...

This bill was twisted by the FAR RIGHT

Handson said:

I thought it was the NHS, you pay national insurance when you work. I was paying £96.00 a month or $150.00 from $26000 salary.

This would give me all treatment, ranging from a sprained wrist to terminal illness, now I am out of work, everything is free.

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Balzac89 said:

One more thing, if you get your facts from anything but the actual statistics themselves you would be considered biased. Everyone has their own interpretation.

Stop with all the copying and pasting bullshit. Ik it seems kewl.

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You come across as incredibly stupid.

Patrick Bateman said:

It would help if half those links were not broken and did not lead to some conservative biased run from his basement webpage.

That being said, obviously there are legitimate flaws in socialized medicine as the anecdotal evidence suggests from those sources.

Better to be covered and die than die because you were denied care in one of the wealthiest nations in the world.

I believe the pinnacle of Health Care is in the mixture of Private and Government run health care as exists in France.

But to believe the insurance companies would fix the way they do business without government interference is simply irrational, that is a fact.

Also to believe that your current health care system is the best in the world is simply wrong.

It is difficult but try and see though the stars and stripes and all that other patriotic bull shit you people value so highly and realize America may have it wrong for once.

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Like I said... I can give you all the statistics you want ....all churned out by Britain herself.... the system is BROKE!! The hospitals are UNCLEAN, the waiting lists are so long that ppl get diagnosed too late and go terminal. There is a svere doctor shortage... (because they are fed up and no one wants to be one anymore)... the GB health system is a MESS!!!

It is NOTHING to emulate...that's for sure.

there is a reason why 400k foreigners come to the usa every year to have their LIVES saved....

CrackerJax said:

Like I said... I can give you all the statistics you want ....all churned out by Britain herself.... the system is BROKE!! The hospitals are UNCLEAN, the waiting lists are so long that ppl get diagnosed too late and go terminal. There is a svere doctor shortage... (because they are fed up and no one wants to be one anymore)... the GB health system is a MESS!!!

It is NOTHING to emulate...that's for sure.

there is a reason why 400k foreigners come to the usa every year to have their LIVES saved....

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You are obviously sensationalizing facts and anecdotes

lol Does your love for your country and your dwindling freedom every bring you to tears?

Like I said, half of those links are broken and the other half come from some god fearing country bumpkin who obviously has an agenda

Again you are using a source far from a mainstream general consensus of the issue

"Of hospital inpatients, 92% said they were satisfied with their treatment; 87% of GP users were satisfied with their GP; 87% of hospital outpatients were satisfied with the service they received; and 70% of Accident and Emergency department users reported being satisfied."

Does biased exist in every single one of your Fact Sources - YES

You haven't recently had a lobotomy have you?

Patrick Bateman said:

Does your love for your country and your dwindling freedom every bring you to tears?

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I do!

CrackerJax said:

there is a reason why 400k foreigners come to the usa every year to have their LIVES saved....

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True, but I always thought it was the size of the system that allowed so many skilled people; to put it bluntly, a great many of our highly skilled physicians use educations partially or fully funded by "Redistribution." Obviously, the more you put into it, the more you get.

Follow the link and look at GB health care,.....which is a nightmare.

http://www.nhsexposed.com/

I know...it's all biased... everything is biased which doesn't agree with your world view.

A pattern emerges...and it is quite clear..... want substandard medical care? Socialize it.

CrackerJax said:

Follow the link and look at GB health care,.....which is a nightmare.

http://www.nhsexposed.com/

I know...it's all biased... everything is biased which doesn't agree with your world view.

A pattern emerges...and it is quite clear..... want substandard medical care? Socialize it.

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So you are expecting me to give credit to a blog which was has not even been updated this calender year?

Maybe sound a little hack to you?

And no, as my earlier post shows I accepted those sources you included earlier as presenting valid problems with socialized medicine.

I then stated I don't believe socialized medicine is the pinnacle of health care

Another point you conveniently missed.

Reading + Comprehension makes discussions a lot easier

ur right... if it hasn't been updated...all of the info is false!!! you're like a super genius!!! OMG!!!!

lawdy....

NEXT!!! who's NEXT!!!

I defy anyone to show me a better QUALITY health care system...anyone at all.

CrackerJax said:

ur right... if it hasn't been updated...all of the info is false!!! you're like a super genius!!! OMG!!!!

lawdy....

NEXT!!! who's NEXT!!!

I defy anyone to show me a better QUALITY health care system...anyone at all.

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"Ahem"

I happen to LOVE the Veteran's Administration health care I get. Here it is: Freedom is a lie. We pay taxes and the government needs to take that money and give it to doctors who treat us for free.

Instead, our military budget is 600 BILLION a year (more than every other country in the world put together). Even if you civilian types can't enjoy the DELICIOUS socialized medicine I enjoy, at least we can force the government to start spending some cash in the right direction.

Trust me, you won't even notice.

CrackerJax said:

ur right... if it hasn't been updated...all of the info is false!!! you're like a super genius!!! OMG!!!!

lawdy....

NEXT!!! who's NEXT!!!

I defy anyone to show me a better QUALITY health care system...anyone at all.

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lol Regression to child like behaviour is the mark of a true intellectual

I mean seriously, don't you think if those claims had any sort of weight as to their relevance to majority's opinion of health care that it would have made the jump from BLOG to something a little more legitimate?

Please thoroughly discredit WHO Health Care rankings placing 36 countries above yours.

And........go!

Oh and we've already heard the life expectancy thing even though you didn't really explain it.

Attention everyone....according to bates here...any news story not updated is FALSE and BIASED!!!


that's the new criteria for accuracy... how new is it?

WW2 heck that was 60 YEARS AGO!!! NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

There was no Hitler.... he hasn't been updated!!!!

OMG!!!! NEXT!!

Finally, we're getting somewhere

No "legitimate" points left to make -> deflection -> /discussion

CJ's made a lot of points, everyone is too narrow minded and full of shit to see the truth. Time will only tell....I was thinking about opening a business, but now is not the time..because if im successful, i'll have taxes up the ass to take care of all the lazy fucks that think they deserve a piece of the pie

PUT THE BONG DOWN AND WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

SmokeyMcSmokester said:

CJ's made a lot of points, everyone is too narrow minded and full of shit to see the truth. Time will only tell....I was thinking about opening a business, but now is not the time..because if im successful, i'll have taxes up the ass to take care of all the lazy fucks that think they deserve a piece of the pie

PUT THE BONG DOWN AND WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

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I opened another business in January ( my third Laundromat ) ..Do your research and homework..Now is the time if you know WTF you doing, but by your statement with you thinking that you will be paying taxes up the ass if you do open a small business lets me know that you have not done your homework. Hell I get tax breaks just due to the type of equipment I use.. Do your homework instead of sitting on a weed forum talking about how narrow minded and full of shit others are.

londonfog said:

I opened another business in January ( my third Laundromat ) ..Do your research and homework..Now is the time if you know WTF you doing, but by your statement with you thinking that you will be paying taxes up the ass if you do open a small business lets me know that you have not done your homework. Hell I get tax breaks just due to the type of equipment I use.. Do your homework instead of sitting on a weed forum talking about how narrow minded and full of shit others are.

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I believe you do know what you are doing. One problem is the psychology of business right now, whether things are good or not, people think it's bad, or will be.
We will all be paying more taxes, business, individual, payroll, thru inflation. There is just no way around it in the short term. I believe these fears are justified.
And getting tax breaks for the equipment you use is just another form of government control, which I am totally opposed to.
In my opinion, differences in taxation violate the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment. Whether 'person' means 'corporation' as in the Citizens United free speech case, has not been determined, but seems to be a reasonable result against the current, carrot-and-stick tax law.
This type of preferential tax treatment is at the heart of redistribution, particularly healthcare. See : "Redistribution" and 'Half of US pays no Fed tax"
Without the redistribution, everyone might realize that they don't want to pay their 'equal' share of healthcare for all. I think the tax system itself is unconstitutional, but many people aren't concerned. ( yet )

Man o' the green said:

I believe you do know what you are doing. One problem is the psychology of business right now, whether things are good or not, people think it's bad, or will be.
We will all be paying more taxes, business, individual, payroll, thru inflation. There is just no way around it in the short term. I believe these fears are justified.
And getting tax breaks for the equipment you use is just another form of government control, which I am totally opposed to.
In my opinion, differences in taxation violate the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment. Whether 'person' means 'corporation' as in the Citizens United free speech case, has not been determined, but seems to be a reasonable result against the current, carrot-and-stick tax law.
This type of preferential tax treatment is at the heart of redistribution, particularly healthcare. See : "Redistribution" and 'Half of US pays no Fed tax"
Without the redistribution, everyone might realize that they don't want to pay their 'equal' share of healthcare for all. I think the tax system itself is unconstitutional, but many people aren't concerned. ( yet )

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How is having the option to buy energy saving machines government control ???? I mean really are you looking for reasons to fail ???? I don't have to buy those machines..I could very well go out and buy some machines that use a gang of energy and pay more on my electric/water bill and lose out on a tax break.. ...I see now a lot of people on this site are going to miss out on somethings by just wanting to hate instead of looking into the facts.. Dude I have the opton to choose which machines I buy.. My government just says " hey If you buy machines that save energy we will pay you." I say " thank you government and yes I will buy these great machines that you will pay me to use and help to keep my bills low". Stop trying to see bad in everything its getting old with you guys now.

londonfog said:

How is having the option to buy energy saving machines government control ???? I mean really are you looking for reasons to fail ???? I don't have to buy those machines..I could very well go out and buy some machines that use a gang of energy and pay more on my electric/water bill and lose out on a tax break.. ...I see now a lot of people on this site are going to miss out on somethings by just wanting to hate instead of looking into the facts.. Dude I have the opton to choose which machines I buy.. My government just says " hey If you buy machines that save energy we will pay you." I say " thank you government and yes I will buy these great machines that you will pay me to use and help to keep my bills low". Stop trying to see bad in everything its getting old with you guys now.

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Things look a little different thru the prism of the constitution and freedom, I think. And there is a lot of bad to see.
You do have the freedom to choose which machines you buy ( right now ), but as with light bulbs, that may not always be the case.
You should be buying the machines that fit best for your business, but I don't really feel like subsidising your business or any other. The government actually says "hey if you buy the machines that we want you to, we will force the taxpayer will help you out", all of our freedoms suffer thru additional confiscation.
It's only in your best interest to take the offer, I don't begrudge you that. I fault the system.

it comes a time when you might have to let the blind bump into shit..hell it could be pretty funny .... so with that....You do you ...I'm going to do me...see you at the finish-line

This is exactly the WRONG time to be opening a business.

It is also the wrong time to expand a business.

Ant cursory look at employment figures will show that businesses are not hiring like they should.... taxes are increasing and the small businesses will be severely hit by them.

New taxes are being created everywhere. the IRS is RAMPING up enforcement.

P.S. grab a copy of Turbo Tax. it is about to become a collectors item. the days of doing a simple tax form is over....until we get some actual leadership in washington.

2012 is the time to go into business.

londonfog said:

I opened another business in January ( my third Laundromat ) ..Do your research and homework..Now is the time if you know WTF you doing, but by your statement with you thinking that you will be paying taxes up the ass if you do open a small business lets me know that you have not done your homework. Hell I get tax breaks just due to the type of equipment I use.. Do your homework instead of sitting on a weed forum talking about how narrow minded and full of shit others are.

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ahhaahahahahahaah a laundromat??? im gonna open a real business, and now is not the time...my customers will be using paper money instead of quarters...hahahahaahha

silly frog....