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HuckleberryFinn

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Matchbox said:
They look rescue-able :) Try to judge your plants they react to being too dry or too moist, eventually you'll spot this and know when they need water. Looks like those girls are all out of wack some leaves look underfed some look overfed and nute burnt or could be heat stressed. Have you tried a flush and then feed the next day with half strength nutes, then next feeding bump it up to full strength again.

But as a general rule you should do the dip your thumb in test if its dry up to an inch down then water, otherwise you could be watering too much.
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Well today is the day for feeding and I just fed them, may be "flush" is good a idea but when to do that, as I said I just fed them ???
Maybe I am watering them to much because when I make the test whit the finger only the uper layer of the soil is dry, up to an 1" down is allways little moist
 
Doobieus

Doobieus

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Damn guys lots of updates looks good, got some Tahoe Og and some I'm pretty sure mountain herb (Can't remember strain), fucking killer. Hence why I haven't been posting much lol. I'll get some pics up later of the herb and maybe my bubbler, it's kind of dirty so I don't know lol.

Huck what is the PH of the run off water? Given the multiple issues on the leaves (N/Cal/Mag/P deficiencies and the crunchy leaves) my guess would be locked out nutrients. Either PH is off, or too much salt, or over fed. The over fed part doesn't really jive with me though. Yeah different strains like different feeds and all but I don't think it'd be that sensitive. Flush like MB said, whenever there is doubt flush. You're right on about the 1 inch down and water, but do not water every feed. Feed, water, feed, water or feed, water, water, feed, water, water. Do a flush either when you switch from Veg to Flower or half way into the plant's life cycle (About 2 weeks into flower). Then resume feeding, but start at half then bring up. Always start at a 1/4, then half or full strength, depending on what your plant exhibits. This is just some info to prevent lockout from occurring. Anyway regardless of the issue, a flush will 9 times out of 10 fix it.

Grazz lol we'll talk later.

MB glad you're getting closer to that perpetual plan. Lots of Blueberry genetics in those mothers yeah? I love Blueberry, it's on my top 10 as cliche as it is.
 
Doobieus

Doobieus

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HuckleberryFinn said:
Well today is the day for feeding and I just fed them, may be "flush" is good a idea but when to do that, as I said I just fed them ???
Maybe I am watering them to much because when I make the test whit the finger only the uper layer of the soil is dry, up to an 1" down is allways little moist
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Flush them as soon as you can, do not apply nutrients. Just take a couple gallons of plain Ph'd water and keep flooding, until the run off water is pretty clear. 1 inch down, if it's moist don't water, if it's bone dry water.
 
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HuckleberryFinn

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Doobieus said:
Damn guys lots of updates looks good, got some Tahoe Og and some I'm pretty sure mountain herb (Can't remember strain), fucking killer. Hence why I haven't been posting much lol. I'll get some pics up later of the herb and maybe my bubbler, it's kind of dirty so I don't know lol.

Huck what is the PH of the run off water? Given the multiple issues on the leaves (N/Cal/Mag/P deficiencies and the crunchy leaves) my guess would be locked out nutrients. Either PH is off, or too much salt, or over fed. The over fed part doesn't really jive with me though. Yeah different strains like different feeds and all but I don't think it'd be that sensitive. Flush like MB said, whenever there is doubt flush. You're right on about the 1 inch down and water, but do not water every feed. Feed, water, feed, water or feed, water, water, feed, water, water. Do a flush either when you switch from Veg to Flower or half way into the plant's life cycle (About 2 weeks into flower). Then resume feeding, but start at half then bring up. Always start at a 1/4, then half or full strength, depending on what your plant exhibits. This is just some info to prevent lockout from occurring. Anyway regardless of the issue, a flush will 9 times out of 10 fix it.

Grazz lol we'll talk later.

MB glad you're getting closer to that perpetual plan. Lots of Blueberry genetics in those mothers yeah? I love Blueberry, it's on my top 10 as cliche as it is.
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I am happy to see you back here man :) This is the PH level of my tap water seems to me little greeny and I am puting some vinegar in the water but now after I saw the picture I am not sure that need vinegar. Tell me straight pleace do I need to do the flush now, what do you thing and if I have to how? Thanks!


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HuckleberryFinn

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Well I just did the flush and using vinegar again :( buying real PH up and down tomorrow.... thanks again

PP
My girlfriend will kill me I promised to her that after 60 days the plant will be gone but now I can smell the delay :)
 
mikmike

mikmike

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I need help with bulbs. I have digital ballast so can run hps and mh bulbs. It came with standard bulbs and looking for some really nice bulbs :)
 
georgyboy

georgyboy

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Damn grazzmon your plants look gigantic. How tall are they? Also, do you grow hydro or organic. Your plants are still so green and pretty even though they seem to be well into flower. Are you using 2 250s? Great plants man.
 
georgyboy

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Looking back at the shots on page 506 I realize that the plant is about as tall as six of those bricks. So I would say the taller one is between 36" to 48". I didn't realize this at first and was just amazed that you had such tall growth under 250w lights. Either way though man, your plants look really nice. +rep
 
rufusgrower

rufusgrower

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Still having a nightmare trying to control my temperatures :wall: the fan i ordered got set up today it has brought down the temps a lot but still not enough there steady at 31C with the door only a little open for some intake, im going to make a few changes to the position of the extraction get rid of a the bend in the ducting but other than that i think i've run out of options, im really not willing to spend anymore money on this and i really dont want to be doing silly things like bottles of ice water and the only reason i paid £55 on this fan was so i didnt need to have to door open and have it illuminating my room 18 hours of the day .
any advice ?? i'll get some pics up soon to help u lot see my situation
on the other hand the plant is doing great no heat stress or anything but would the temps become more of a problem when i get to flowering? i think my biggest problem during flowering will be light leaks as i will need to very punctual at coming home and closing the doors and stuff when its the dark period and then in the morning opening up the doors, im hoping i wont need to be doing this but beginning to doubt it
 
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HuckleberryFinn

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rufusgrower said:
Still having a nightmare trying to control my temperatures :wall: the fan i ordered got set up today it has brought down the temps a lot but still not enough there steady at 31C with the door only a little open for some intake, im going to make a few changes to the position of the extraction get rid of a the bend in the ducting but other than that i think i've run out of options, im really not willing to spend anymore money on this and i really dont want to be doing silly things like bottles of ice water and the only reason i paid £55 on this fan was so i didnt need to have to door open and have it illuminating my room 18 hours of the day .
any advice ?? i'll get some pics up soon to help u lot see my situation
on the other hand the plant is doing great no heat stress or anything but would the temps become more of a problem when i get to flowering? i think my biggest problem during flowering will be light leaks as i will need to very punctual at coming home and closing the doors and stuff when its the dark period and then in the morning opening up the doors, im hoping i wont need to be doing this but beginning to doubt it
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I've been there, I know its sux. Now I've got three fans now, one in just under the bulb one out above the bulb and one down straight up to the light to puts the heat up thats it goodluck !
 
Grazzmon

Grazzmon

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georgyboy said:
Looking back at the shots on page 506 I realize that the plant is about as tall as six of those bricks. So I would say the taller one is between 36" to 48". I didn't realize this at first and was just amazed that you had such tall growth under 250w lights. Either way though man, your plants look really nice. +rep
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Thanks Geo, that sounds about right, I took the top off of the plant on the left to test ;) and open things up for better penetration, it was tied down horizontally and would have been taller than the one on the right :). I am growing hydro (ebb&flow) and using just one 250watt CMH (Ceramic Metal Halide) in that cab, I switched to it last grow after reading alot of good stuff about CMH. They are midway through 12 weeks flowering... MM is just what I am calling them, the plants are from clones of a seed I got from a previous grow that hermied (heat stress) and it throws some peculiar leaflets early on.
pheww... sorry for the novel and thanks for the comments..

Grazz
 
Matchbox

Matchbox

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HuckleberryFinn said:
Well I just did the flush and using vinegar again :( buying real PH up and down tomorrow.... thanks again

PP
My girlfriend will kill me I promised to her that after 60 days the plant will be gone but now I can smell the delay :)
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why did you use vinegar that ph looked bang on 6-7 which is fine if it's just tap water... If your growing in soil you generally don't need to use any ph adjusters 'cause the soil acts as a ph buffer... and it may well be the vinegar screwing your plants.

rufusgrower said:
Still having a nightmare trying to control my temperatures :wall: the fan i ordered got set up today it has brought down the temps a lot but still not enough there steady at 31C with the door only a little open for some intake, im going to make a few changes to the position of the extraction get rid of a the bend in the ducting but other than that i think i've run out of options, im really not willing to spend anymore money on this and i really dont want to be doing silly things like bottles of ice water and the only reason i paid £55 on this fan was so i didnt need to have to door open and have it illuminating my room 18 hours of the day .
any advice ?? i'll get some pics up soon to help u lot see my situation
on the other hand the plant is doing great no heat stress or anything but would the temps become more of a problem when i get to flowering? i think my biggest problem during flowering will be light leaks as i will need to very punctual at coming home and closing the doors and stuff when its the dark period and then in the morning opening up the doors, im hoping i wont need to be doing this but beginning to doubt it
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you say your leaving the door open for passive intake, are you able to cut out any actual passive intakes so you can close the door. What your looking for is some good ol' negative pressure, then cut out the passive intakes 1 by 1 until you have a little bit of negative pressure, if your in a tent the walls should suck in or if your in a cab/closet the fan sounds like it's struggling providing it's airtight.
 
georgyboy

georgyboy

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I saw the ceramics when i was browsing around for my light, but for some reason i never bothered to look in to them. would you say that they are supieror?
 
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HuckleberryFinn

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Matchbox said:
why did you use vinegar that ph looked bang on 6-7 which is fine if it's just tap water... If your growing in soil you generally don't need to use any ph adjusters 'cause the soil acts as a ph buffer... and it may well be the vinegar screwing your plants.
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PFFFFffffffffffff:wall: I started to mix the water whit vinegar when I started to feed them, and the leaves became yellow, you've got a point ! Fuck the vinegar but I flush them whit vinegar a couple of houers ago ..... poor plants what I did and what I am doing to them in effort to give them my best ...
 
Doobieus

Doobieus

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rufusgrower said:
Still having a nightmare trying to control my temperatures :wall: the fan i ordered got set up today it has brought down the temps a lot but still not enough there steady at 31C with the door only a little open for some intake, im going to make a few changes to the position of the extraction get rid of a the bend in the ducting but other than that i think i've run out of options, im really not willing to spend anymore money on this and i really dont want to be doing silly things like bottles of ice water and the only reason i paid £55 on this fan was so i didnt need to have to door open and have it illuminating my room 18 hours of the day .
any advice ?? i'll get some pics up soon to help u lot see my situation
on the other hand the plant is doing great no heat stress or anything but would the temps become more of a problem when i get to flowering? i think my biggest problem during flowering will be light leaks as i will need to very punctual at coming home and closing the doors and stuff when its the dark period and then in the morning opening up the doors, im hoping i wont need to be doing this but beginning to doubt it
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That sucks Rufus, I'm sorry you're dealing with that. Heat issues are never fun at all. What kind of doors are they on the closet?

I have bi fold doors on mine, so I put up Panda/Poly film behind the doors and used a piece of cardboard to support ducting exhaust. If you have the sliding doors my best suggestion would be get a strip of Panda/Poly film and attach that to the inner frame, so even if your doors open a foot or so it'll still cover it up. Or maybe one of those easy to setup doggy door panel things. If it's a regular door, then you're going to either do what I am or buying another door and cutting some intake holes with a drill saw and running ducting with black cloth at the end so not a lot if any light leaks out.

Are you using a tent too or just the closet? I can't remember, but I have 2 tents inside the closet and the Panda/Poly film is just an extra measure to be honest.
 
Doobieus

Doobieus

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HuckleberryFinn said:
PFFFFffffffffffff:wall: I started to mix the water whit vinegar when I started to feed them, and the leaves became yellow, you've got a point ! Fuck the vinegar but I flush them whit vinegar a couple of houers ago ..... poor plants what I did and what I am doing to them in effort to give them my best ...
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It's okay Huck it happens and we've all been there. Vinegar does work in a pinch, but it's not good for all of the time. You're going to get proper Ph up/down so you're okay, you're learning. If your tap water is around 6-7 just flush plain water do not Ph with the vinegar again. My guess is that soil is pretty acidic at this point. Flush should help, if it doesn't with just water. Then you're going to either buy some Clearex or make some.

Pretty sure the recipe is out there yeah Grazz? ;-) Help Huck out, I forgot to save it again doh!!
 
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