4x4 Tent - Blue Hash and A-Train

smokingrubber

smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
I'm having the same issues as you regarding planning my next flowering room (either 2 1Ks or 4 600s), but if you're deadset on an 8x4 footprint, then the 1Ks make more sense - the extra 600 in that drawing still doesn't cover the perimeter.
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Im deadset on 4'9" x 9'-6" :hump: ... I kept saying 4x8 but when I went to draw it I noticed it's 9 and half feet long. wooo hoooo. The drawing is very accurate in its porportions.

The 2-light pattern is much more consistant imo. The 3-light would have a pretty fat hot spot in the center. Could be almost double the light intensity available on the perimeter. Right now I like the 1000w for coverage so it's an obvious choice.

Shoot me the dimensions you're working with and I'll sketch it for you. Hood size too.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
Im deadset on 4'9" x 9'-6" :hump: ... I kept saying 4x8 but when I went to draw it I noticed it's 9 and half feet long. wooo hoooo. The drawing is very accurate in its porportions.

The 2-light pattern is much more consistant imo. The 3-light would have a pretty fat hot spot in the center. Could be almost double the light intensity available on the perimeter. Right now I like the 1000w for coverage so it's an obvious choice.

Shoot me the dimensions you're working with and I'll sketch it for you. Hood size too.
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Wow, for reals?

The dimensions of the actual enclosure would be a square, 8' by 8'.

Under the four 600s would be four 3x3 E&F tables, each spaced 6'' off the wall (to give a 1' walkway between them in any direction).

The reflector sizes are 32.5" by 26.25".

Thanks man, I really appreciate this.

Also appreciate your idea of a modified controller bucket system, just need to do some more research into how I'd make that work.
 
smokingrubber

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Making the bucket system work is EXTREMELY simple.

1. Put the controller on the ground.
2. Raise the flood table a couple inches off the ground via layed out 2x4 and plumb underneath.
3. Add plants, add lights, smoke your brains out, you know the rest ;)

Do you not understand exactly how the controller system works?
I will sketch your room in awhile. I don't use AutoCAD here at work anymore, it's at home.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
Making the bucket system work is EXTREMELY simple.

Do you not understand exactly how the controller system works?
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Bingo :-?

I assume there's some sort of float valve that turns something off so that it doesn't overflow - running out to Home Depot now to grab parts for my CO2 generator "experiment", but I'll take a look at the start of your thread when I get back and done with that - I recall you were having some overflow issues, lemme see if that helps me understand how it works.

And I really appreciate the AutoCad thing - does that take into account light intensity as well? I remember Sunlight Supply (maybe it was Hydrofarm) used to have a tool where you could give the dimensions of the room, your light(s) size, and it would show you the light coverage for it.

Lemme see if I can find that little old program.........
 
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I'll try to help splain it. I did have an overflow problem at first. I failed to read the damn instructions! The system comes with a "syphon break" fitting I did not install. Thats fixed though.

Imagine you have two buckets, with a hose (connected at the base) between them. Pouring water into one bucket will fill both buckets evenly. Removing water from either bucket will empty it from both.

There is one pump in the controller bucket to handle emptying the controller, and another pump in the barrel to fill the controller. The controller has timer on the front which controls whether the system is in FILL or DRAIN mode. When its in FILL mode: The pump in the barrel fills the controller till it reaches the top, and gravity fills the table. As things even out the controller is constantly topped off till everything is full up. The top float shuts it off. The "syphon break" fitting is installed on this line to make sure it stops filling when its supposed to. When it's in DRAIN mode (90% of the time) the pump in the controller sends the water back to the barrel. When the controller is empty, a float valve shuts the pump off. If any water (AC drain) gets into the controller it will automatically trigger the pump and send it out.

Not very complicated. The controller sets the height of the flood. It's all about the controller! You can buy them seperately.

No, AutoCAD doesn't take light intensity into account. IT CAN. I've worked with an engineer that can do light refractory anaysis with it. But I can't. Not my field. Plus, every hood is different.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
I'll try to help splain it. I did have an overflow problem at first. I failed to read the damn instructions! The system comes with a "syphon break" fitting I did not install. Thats fixed though.

Imagine you have two buckets, with a hose (connected at the base) between them. Pouring water into one bucket will fill both buckets evenly. Removing water from either bucket will empty it from both.

There is one pump in the controller bucket to handle emptying the controller, and another pump in the barrel to fill the controller. The controller has timer on the front which controls whether the system is in FILL or DRAIN mode. When its in FILL mode: The pump in the barrel fills the controller till it reaches the top, and gravity fills the table. As things even out the controller is constantly topped off till everything is full up. The top float shuts it off. The "syphon break" fitting is installed on this line to make sure it stops filling when its supposed to. When it's in DRAIN mode (90% of the time) the pump in the controller sends the water back to the barrel. When the controller is empty, a float valve shuts the pump off. If any water (AC drain) gets into the controller it will automatically trigger the pump and send it out.

Not very complicated. The controller sets the height of the flood. It's all about the controller! You can buy them seperately.

No, AutoCAD doesn't take light intensity into account. IT CAN. I've worked with an engineer that can do light refractory anaysis with it. But I can't. Not my field. Plus, every hood is different.
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Thank you kindly, sir :joint:

I'll still need to look into it further - would need to have the controller bucket outside of the tent, for space issues, but that sounds like it could work.

And I did a search for that Hydrofarm program but came up empty...........:cry:
 
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I might have murdered BH#3. I was tieing them down and it seemed like BH bent over awful easy. I thought COOL. The next day I looked in and it didn't look happy. I had broken the stalk. I chopped up the top a little and tried to root it. I don't know why, it fuggn sucked! I never liked that little runt bastard anyway!

Also, I almost killed the clones and cuttings. Saturday I was in there taking their class pictures and I though I would let everything air-out for an hour (what was I thinking?). Two hours later when i remembered, they were limp. I sprayed and covered them up, and it appears they're going to hold on. We'll see.

They're kinda touchy.
 
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smokingrubber said:
I might have murdered BH#3. I was tieing them down and it seemed like BH bent over awful easy. I thought COOL. The next day I looked in and it didn't look happy. I had broken the stalk. I chopped up the top a little and tried to root it. I don't know why, it fuggn sucked! I never liked that little runt bastard anyway!

Also, I almost killed the clones and cuttings. Saturday I was in there taking their class pictures and I though I would let everything air-out for an hour (what was I thinking?). Two hours later when i remembered, they were limp. I sprayed and covered them up, and it appears they're going to hold on. We'll see.

They're kinda touchy.
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Hmmmmm, that's weird - an hour or two with the top off shouldn't do that much to them - were the cubes still moist?

I take my top off (lol) for an hour or two a day to harden them while still under fluoros - increase daily until the top's just always off.
 
smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Thank you kindly, sir :joint:

I'll still need to look into it further - would need to have the controller bucket outside of the tent, for space issues, but that sounds like it could work.

And I did a search for that Hydrofarm program but came up empty...........:cry:
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The controller is only about 10 inches wide. FYI, It needs to have flat water lines (any length) running to the table. Any hump in the middle of the line will limit how empty the table will get. You can have the barrel anywhere though.

I will take a short video of the thing in action later.
 
smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Hmmmmm, that's weird - an hour or two with the top off shouldn't do that much to them - were the cubes still moist?

I take my top off (lol) for an hour or two a day to harden them while still under fluoros - increase daily until the top's just always off.
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It didnt hurt the clones too much, but the cuttings I took 2 days before drooped a lot. It may have been a little more than 2 hours, I didnt check. They've bounced back mostly. The first week for the cuttings is touchy.
 
marypane

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Bob Smith said:
I'm having the same issues as you regarding planning my next flowering room (either 2 1Ks or 4 600s), but if you're deadset on an 8x4 footprint, then the 1Ks make more sense - the extra 600 in that drawing still doesn't cover the perimeter.
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I disagree. Three 600s will do you better. It allows for having the light closer to the plants without burning or heat stressing them. Esp. if you are working in an enclosed tent.
 
smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Wow, for reals?

The dimensions of the actual enclosure would be a square, 8' by 8'.

Under the four 600s would be four 3x3 E&F tables, each spaced 6'' off the wall (to give a 1' walkway between them in any direction).

The reflector sizes are 32.5" by 26.25".

Thanks man, I really appreciate this.

Also appreciate your idea of a modified controller bucket system, just need to do some more research into how I'd make that work.
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Pretty simple layout.

 
smokingrubber

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I can't do the LST. Broke another one! :wall:


Blue Hash #3 this time. MF!!!!!!

Not as bad as the first one, I only took the top 2 inches this time. FUUUUUUUUUUCK! ... I'm done with that. They look very good, but I'm running out of plants here.

I just have to cross my fingers and wait on the clones. Got 3 more off BH#3 (small silver lining there).
 
smokingrubber

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My plan is in motion mmmmmooohhhoooohhaaahahhhaaaaahahahha

This is the WORST time to be waiting on the mail, but pateince ... and a couple egg-nog totties will get me through.

No more LST for me. It was a good plan but I think the 1000w MH (even at 4½ft away) makes the stalks too thick to bend - too fast. Maybe it would be different under T5s. I've got about a dozen sites on each plant so I'll just have to let them go and see what happens. They will all have plenty of room to spread out and flourish when the 4½x9 tent is set up next week.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
My plan is in motion mmmmmooohhhoooohhaaahahhhaaaaahahahha

This is the WORST time to be waiting on the mail, but pateince ... and a couple egg-nog totties will get me through.

No more LST for me. It was a good plan but I think the 1000w MH (even at 4½ft away) makes the stalks too thick to bend - too fast. Maybe it would be different under T5s. I've got about a dozen sites on each plant so I'll just have to let them go and see what happens. They will all have plenty of room to spread out and flourish when the 4½x9 tent is set up next week.
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Lol........was gonna give you the same advice that you gave me, which is to slow down on the expansion, but hey, if it's already coming, it's already coming :weed:

I'll be watching..............any other additions going into the new setup?
 
smokingrubber

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No major changes planned. I'll upgrade to the large tent, the extra 1000w, and add 12 more pots. I will add an AC and several fans. That's about it. That should double my capacity and improve stability.

Gotta get my script renewed too. Im ridin dirty so I can't let that slip any farther.

The GranDaddyPurp clones look to be establishing themselves. I will check tonight for roots, but Im seeing small signs of growth. Too bad the cuttings are 2 weeks behind the clones, the newest ones prolly won't be established soon enough to visit the flower room in a few weeks. The race is on.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
No major changes planned. I'll upgrade to the large tent, the extra 1000w, and add 12 more pots. I will add an AC and several fans. That's about it. That should double my capacity and improve stability.

Gotta get my script renewed too. Im ridin dirty so I can't let that slip any farther.

The GranDaddyPurp clones look to be establishing themselves. I will check tonight for roots, but Im seeing small signs of growth. Too bad the cuttings are 2 weeks behind the clones, the newest ones prolly won't be established soon enough to visit the flower room in a few weeks. The race is on.
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You could always top the plants to keep height down whilst waiting for others to catch up...........and with two lights, you can have different height plants in there - just have the shorter plants under the lower light.

Or, you could set it up to be a perpertual harvest, and stagger them a month - harvest 1lb.+ every month to "infinity and beyond".

BTW, setup the generator and haven't roasted any plants yet :hump:
 
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Glad you haven't roasted anyone ;)

A perpetual harvest would be difficult to execute now, until I get a veg tent set up at my next residence. Then, I want two 4x9 tents and one 4x4. I would use the 4x4 for mothers and clones, and stagger the 2 big tents for 3 months cycles (4 weeks veg & 8 weeks flower). That would be approx 3 lbs every 6 weeks. ;) Thats the grand plan after this hobby kicks down a little.
 
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Changing the nutes right now. It only takes about 10 minutes to pump the barrel out. I thought I would throw out a fresh pic. There a bunch of new sites poking their heads up. See all the new growth areas? Those runt plants are the ones I murdered. Chalk that up to experience. Oh well, they'll still do something special.



 
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