A Simple Fact: Republicans Can't Manage the Economy

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
By Robert Weiner and John Larmett . Posted August 20, 2007.

Contrary to the mythology the party has created, GOP presidents are terrible for business.​

At last week's news conference, President Bush again said that he's reduced the deficit to $239 billion, created 8 million jobs and generated unemployment at a low 4.5%. He said the economy is strong, largely due to his tax cut policies. On the other side, Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.), House Appropriations Committee chairman, has complained of our limited resources now because of Bush's "gargantuan deficits he created with that stupid war and those stupid tax cuts paid for with our money."

There is a widely held belief that Republicans are better for business than are Democrats. Let's look at the facts. The wild stock market ride of recent weeks does not compare to the two worst stock events, the crash of 1929 and the 1987 free fall, which also occurred under Republican administrations. Since 1900, Democratic presidents have produced a 12.3% annual return on the S&P 500, Republicans only 8%. Gross Domestic Product growth since 1930 is 5.4% for Democratic presidents and 1.6% for Republican presidents.

Bush inherited from President Clinton an annual federal budget surplus of $236 billion, the largest in American history. Clinton balanced the budget for the first time since 1969. Budget surpluses were expected to total $5.6 trillion between fiscal year 2002 and 2011.

Despite this, Bush transformed the surpluses into a $1.1 trillion annual deficit in just three years because of the Iraq war and his relentless push for permanent tax cuts for wealthy Americans, a new iteration of Herbert Hoover's equally catastrophic "trickle-down" theory. Bragging about a $239 billion deficit sets such a low standard that Bush can claim horrific failure as a good thing for the country. The Bush administration's annual loss of three-quarters of a trillion dollars is unprecedented. Bush presided over the loss of 2 million American jobs in his first 2 1/2 years and has net gained 5.6 million in six years, the worst since Hoover. Clinton created 23 million jobs.

It's not rocket science to figure out the difference. Clinton: tax breaks for the middle and lower incomes who actually spend the money, no Iraq war. Bush: disproportionate tax breaks for the wealthy (50% to the wealthiest 1% by 2010), $750 billion for a war monetarily benefiting only a few military contractors and a financial sieve for the country. Democratic presidents spread the wealth through spending on needed social programs and targeting tax cuts to lower- and middle-income Americans, stimulating the economy more broadly. Republicans pump into defense contractors and high-income Americans, creating a significant detriment to the whole economy with larger deficits and higher interest rates.

Economist John Maynard Keynes was right in 1936: When you "prime the pump" into people programs (like jobs or lower income tax cuts to help Americans buy what they need), you get people results. On the other hand, when you move money from the economy into tax cuts for the rich and a military vacuum, you don't prime the economic pump; you deplete it.

Contrary to opinion, we do not have record high stocks. It would take 14,300 for the Dow Jones industrial average just to match for inflation the 11,750 under Clinton in 2000. We're now around 13,000, meaning, in real terms, a stagnant market with a loss for the past six years. Democrats empower the buyers, Republicans the sellers. Misdirected tax cuts, plus the Iraq war, have taken the money not just from America's working class but from America's businesses as well.

Economic Indicators: Democratic Versus Republican Presidents

In six major criteria - GDP growth, per capita income growth, job creation, unemployment reduction, inflation reduction, and federal deficit reduction - for the ten post-World War II presidencies until Bush, there is a record to track the reality of Democratic versus Republican economic success.

Democrats

  • Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" created robust economic expansion, first in both GDP and personal income growth. He also reduced unemployment from 5.3% to 3.4%. Economic growth remained robust through most of LBJ's presidency.
  • John F. Kennedy campaigned on the idea of getting America moving again, and he did. Under Kennedy, America entered its largest sustained expansion since WWII. GDP and personal income growth were second only to Johnson, all with minimal inflation. Contrary to Republican attempts to say Kennedy's tax cuts are like Bush's, Kennedy's were targeted at middle and lower incomes.
  • The economy added 10 million jobs under Jimmy Carter despite high inflation; Carter ranks first in job creation next to Clinton during just four years in office. Carter also reduced government spending as a percentage of GDP.
  • Harry Truman's second term saw the fastest GDP growth and the sharpest reduction in unemployment of any president surveyed (of course, FDR's post Hoover-depression New Deal jobs are first).

Republicans

  • Ronald Reagan focused on reducing the cost of capital through cutting tax bracket highs for the rich and reducing the size and scope of government. But, instead of lowering spending, Reagan shifted money to the military (i.e. Star Wars) and the deficit tripled with the tax cuts and military spending - as under Bush II.
  • Under Gerald Ford, the deficit soared and the unemployment rate grew from 5.3 - 8.3% in just 2 years. His "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) buttons were no match for economic inactivity.
  • It was under Richard Nixon that inflation started to spiral out of control, from 4.4% to 8.6%, and the deficit shot up from $2.8 billion to $73.7 billion.
  • The Eisenhower years were characterized by slow growth (2.27% annualized GDP growth) and relatively high unemployment (7.7% at end of term).
  • George H. W. Bush had the poorest record for both GDP and income growth. During his single term, the deficit ballooned (from $152 billion to $255 billion) more than under every president but his son and Ford.

(Sources: White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), and White House Council of Economic Advisors)
 

medicineman

New Member
I wonder how VI will dispute this. It makes sense to me, sort of solidifies all my notions, He proposes that FDR was the worst president ever and he is on my top three list as best, go figure. Thanks Dank, a homerun again.
 

ViRedd

New Member
I wonder how VI will dispute this. It makes sense to me, sort of solidifies all my notions, He proposes that FDR was the worst president ever and he is on my top three list as best, go figure. Thanks Dank, a homerun again.
The title of the artice is: The Republicans can't manage the economy."

How long have the DemoBats been back in contol of the Congress? Didn't take long for the stock market and the housing market to take a dump, did it, guyz? Yeah, that's what we need ... more regulations, more paperwork and more bureaucrats to weigh the market down.

Greenspan is gone, Bernacke 's mistakes are being felt.

Bush inherited the start of the Clinton recession, then cut taxes and the economy took off, despite of the trillions in private investments being lost as a result of 9-11. Between the time that Bush took office and the economy recovering, the DemoBats were having a great time calling the downturn "The Bush Economy." When the recovery was in full swing, you didn't hear a peep out of the DemoBats regarding the economy ... in spite of the fact that it was setting records. Now we have another downturn evolving and the DemoWacks are getting out the megaphones again. Bah!

The part about LBJ's war on poverty providing an economic boom is a joke. When government creates a job, the funds used to create that job are taken out of the private sector. Funds taken out of the private sector lowers capital investment, and in turn, fewer jobs are created. Government has no money of its own, other than that which is taken from private citizen's productivity. Add government inefficiency to the equasion and you have even more harm done. When will the LiboManiacs see that ... if ever?

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
(Sources: White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), and White House Council of Economic Advisors)
What part of the above don't you understand Vi?
Your Argument is weak.
 

ViRedd

New Member
(Sources: White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), and White House Council of Economic Advisors)
What part of the above don't you understand Vi?
Your Argument is weak.
Please point out the weak spots, Dank. Oh, and in your own words, please. Thanks ...

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
The title of the artice is: The Republicans can't manage the economy."

How long have the DemoBats been back in contol of the Congress? Didn't take long for the stock market and the housing market to take a dump, did it, guyz? Yeah, that's what we need ... more regulations, more paperwork and more bureaucrats to weigh the market down.

Greenspan is gone, Bernacke 's mistakes are being felt.

Bush inherited the start of the Clinton recession, then cut taxes and the economy took off, despite of the trillions in private investments being lost as a result of 9-11. Between the time that Bush took office and the economy recovering, the DemoBats were having a great time calling the downturn "The Bush Economy." When the recovery was in full swing, you didn't hear a peep out of the DemoBats regarding the economy ... in spite of the fact that it was setting records. Now we have another downturn evolving and the DemoWacks are getting out the megaphones again. Bah!

The part about LBJ's war on poverty providing an economic boom is a joke. When government creates a job, the funds used to create that job are taken out of the private sector. Funds taken out of the private sector lowers capital investment, and in turn, fewer jobs are created. Government has no money of its own, other than that which is taken from private citizen's productivity. Add government inefficiency to the equasion and you have even more harm done. When will the LiboManiacs see that ... if ever?

Vi
whack, whack, whack, libomaniac on the loose. Your arguement has no clothes, it is right wing rhetoric. The economy was in full recession long before the dems came to town, It is a matter of semantics, If you call the rich getting richer and the poor getting fucked a booming economy, then I'd go along with your contention, otherwise your arguement is right wing drivel. Now that the false house of cards that Bush built is coming apart and the wealthy are starting to feel it, Panic, the sky is falling. Myself, a good downturn in the market wouldn't bother me in the least, I'll just move into capital.
 

ViRedd

New Member
I'll stick by my statement until you disprove it with facts, Med. Otherwise, you are just spouting emotions as usual.

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
I'll stick by my statement until you disprove it with facts, Med. Otherwise, you are just spouting emotions as usual.

Vi
And Nero fiddled while rome burned, the economy is crashing around your head and you are blaming it on the democrats, priceless. who has been in charge of this false economy for the last 6-1/2 years, tax cuts for the rich, no rules for corporations, offshoring, 12 million illegals, false stock prices, housing bubble, get real here VI. the false flag blame it on the democraps will not cut it.
 

ViRedd

New Member
And Nero fiddled while rome burned, the economy is crashing around your head and you are blaming it on the democrats, priceless. who has been in charge of this false economy for the last 6-1/2 years, tax cuts for the rich, no rules for corporations, offshoring, 12 million illegals, false stock prices, housing bubble, get real here VI. the false flag blame it on the democraps will not cut it.
Do a little research on corporate tax rates in European countries, Med. Then compare those tax rates to those in the U.S. You may find another answer as to why U.S. corporations are moving off shore besides "cheaper labor."

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Vi the only reason Corporations are outsourcing is because the stock holders want a wider profit margins. Must wider than they deserve. I am not against people making a profit, but the profit margins that Stock holders are making now is obscene.
 

medicineman

New Member
Do a little research on corporate tax rates in European countries, Med. Then compare those tax rates to those in the U.S. You may find another answer as to why U.S. corporations are moving off shore besides "cheaper labor."

Vi[/quo The Bush regime has lowered corporate taxes and given them every advantage possible and they are still leaving for the labor and cheaper taxes. The corporations have no moral conscience. They exist for only one reason, profit. They don't care about what country they operate in, how they treat their workers, the environment, only their god, the almighty profit. Corporations are the face of evil. There was a time when they accepted more social responsibility, but those days are gone. I say fuck them, tax those bastards out of existence. This country is in a major decline cycle and if it means losing the corporations, so be it. It is the corporations (Profit) that rules this country, so if they leave, maybe we'd have a chance at a decent country of small to large companies with profit sharing. Fuck investors. Those are the elite scum that suck the blood out of a company for the profits. There are actually corporations that buy competitors to scrap them out, Insane greed at work. A company that offered it's employees a piece of the pie would serve this nation well. I'm not against a company making a profit, I'm not even against investors, but I think the proper way to operate would be for the investors to be paid like a loan with interest and when it was paid, they would be out. Then the company could then share a portion of its profits with the community and its workers and not be beholding to a few elites to take all the profits. When the workers are the backbone of any company, why take a giant shit on their heads, layoffs, wage reduction, Benefit reduction, retirement scandals, (no funds left after elites raided the retirement fund for some bogus investment like a new pool in their backyard). It's time for a workers revolt. Yeah in China they can do the same work for cheap, but what does that mean for the average American,. He's getting fucked. Eventually, the Americans won't be able to afford the manufactured goods and then what happens? I'll tell you, chaos.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Med and Dank ...

If you were the "owners" of a corporation, would you rather pay a 40% corporate tax rate or a 20% corporate tax rate? Which rate would improve your "bottom line?"

Like I said ... do the research.

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Where's your research.... Try doing it from both sides of the Political equasion not just right wing sites. Your just throwing out a personal opinion. At least the author of the article did his.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
The reason I say to show research from both sides of the political Aisle so that everyone is sure what you have to post is fact and not just political spin.
 

medicineman

New Member
Med and Dank ...

If you were the "owners" of a corporation, would you rather pay a 40% corporate tax rate or a 20% corporate tax rate? Which rate would improve your "bottom line?"

Like I said ... do the research.

Vi
Thats the main problem with corporations, the almighty bottom line. They'll sacrifice all semblance of social conscience for profit, the dark face of evil.
 
Top