Advanced Nutrients a scam? (Haters gonna hate)

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Soupsaa

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calvin.m16 said:
When I first joined this forum a LOT of people were saying "A/N is trash, scam, junk, water" etc..

I always go against the grain so of course I went out and purchased 3 gallon jugs of the Advanced Nutrients Micro, Grow & Bloom. I fed my plants start to finish with ONLY these 3 bottles of nutrients (base nutrients) and got an average of 7 ounces per/plant from Gorilla Glue AutoFlowers purchased from Growers Choice Seeds.

Grow "Room" configuration
  • Two Mars Hydro TSW-2000 LED Panels per/4x4' space
  • 5 Gallon Pots loaded with Mother Earth Coco/Perlite 70/30 blend.
  • 4x8x7' Zazzy Grow Tent
I threw away all of my PH products like pens, ups and downs and literally used 2 ounces per/5 gallon bucket of Advanced Nutrients Micro (2 oz), Grow (2 oz) & Bloom (2 oz) in that order, start to finish.

Next time someone says Advanced Nutrients is a scam or overpriced trash just know that they never tried it.


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I'm going give them a try. Do you have the feeding chart to them
 
hellmutt bones

hellmutt bones

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calvin.m16 said:
When I first joined this forum a LOT of people were saying "A/N is trash, scam, junk, water" etc..

I always go against the grain so of course I went out and purchased 3 gallon jugs of the Advanced Nutrients Micro, Grow & Bloom. I fed my plants start to finish with ONLY these 3 bottles of nutrients (base nutrients) and got an average of 7 ounces per/plant from Gorilla Glue AutoFlowers purchased from Growers Choice Seeds.

Grow "Room" configuration
  • Two Mars Hydro TSW-2000 LED Panels per/4x4' space
  • 5 Gallon Pots loaded with Mother Earth Coco/Perlite 70/30 blend.
  • 4x8x7' Zazzy Grow Tent
I threw away all of my PH products like pens, ups and downs and literally used 2 ounces per/5 gallon bucket of Advanced Nutrients Micro (2 oz), Grow (2 oz) & Bloom (2 oz) in that order, start to finish.

Next time someone says Advanced Nutrients is a scam or overpriced trash just know that they never tried it.


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The look good. How long did you veg? And what nutrients did you use at veg?
 
westcoast420

westcoast420

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Most AN bashers have never used their products. If you have you know they do work, they are just very expensive. Welcome to the mj overpriced nute game. Tell me canna isnt overpriced? or house and garden? I think they get such a bad rap because of their advertising and flashy sales pitches. One of their best products used to be big bud powder. It does still work but theyve changed the formula numerous times now.
 
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boybelue

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I agree theres nothing wrong with there products, they work as any nutrient line should, it's just they're tremendously over priced.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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Don't think anyone ever said An didn't work. They're just overpriced. Way overpriced.

Do what you want. No one is trying to convince you to do one thing or the other. personally I dont care how you waste your money. It's your money to waste.

/end captain obvious
 
Cannasaurus Rex

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calvin.m16 said:
I started out growing with Fox Farms Ocean Forest but ended up with 2 separate batches from different sources with bugs ahoy. Aphids etc. Tried Michigan Made Soil and it grew stumpy plants and then finally ran Roots Organics and again, had bugs in the soil. I grow in a very clean basement with perfect climate control and no bugs unless I bring them in from bags of dirty soil. This is why I'm forced to use Coco and DWC because otherwise I end up with bugs. I'm not sure if it's because I'm in Mid Michigan or what but out of all of the different synthetic chelated nutrients Advanced Nutrients has been the most successful for me.

I love the idea of Organic growing but when it comes down to it I end up having to add chemicals to get rid of bugs and end up with more problems than if I just used synthetic nutrients in the first place. Also Soil isn't really reusable like coco. I can wash my coco out in huge totes and rinse/drain a few times and re-use almost forever. I've gone through about 3 grow cycles now with autos and used the same coco mix.

I also do agree and I have thought of that analogy with growing cannabis. I certainly agree that the weed produced from Soil in my past has been far superior to the synthetic coco weed I smoke & grow now. My mom used to grow for several years in Fox Farms Ocean Forest and never had bug problems. I called her up and let her know the issues I was having and she's no longer growing so couldn't really chime in. I guess a couple bags she got back when had bugs infused in them as well. My local grow shop actually quit stocking it due to people coming back bitching about bugs being in it. Water that stuff and enjoy your grow room being infested by little annoying gnats and bugs the next day.

So when you boil it down buying bags of quality organic Soil ends up costing more than just simply reusing coco and adding synthetic liquid nutrients.
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Totally agree, yeah the more natural growing methods really leave you prone to infestations. I am constantly vigilant and have a pretty good IP program BUT seeing as my soil recycles outside, I have to battle spidermites budrot and PM every now and then over the years. If The bloom room gets infested too badly, I rip and dump them all. Total crop failure at least once every couple years, then total bleachout sulphur bath followed by complete re-paint. I can't stop every infection, and it is sad but I'm not commercial and there is always a stockpile lol. Grow living organic in a closet and its not a matter of if you will be in for a battle with nature, its when. Yeah looking for the next powerful spray just isn't the way. I also have too many pets and too much traffic near the grow rooms. We live in the house so do the bugs the spores and a mouse or 2 it all has to be natural and nasty hitchhikers are a fact of the natural world and I'm not a white suit hand cleaner type of guy. Plus I don't have the plumbing set-up for hydro systems in my place (No floor drain).
Its all about doing the best you can in this game, whether it be hydro, seeds on a windowsill ,or in a closet. No matter how we grow, its all about the plant and being a good gardener. Just around here most people don't like spending more than they have to on products, why should we? Cheers man.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Nutty sKunK said:
Well basically they are charging you a huge mark up on inexpensive ingredients.

Apart from their base nutes all the other additives (bud candy, big bud etc) is Magnesium sulphate. Which essentially is Epsom salts. Which are like a tenner for 5kg...

But each to their own I guess :)
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I don't run anything except for their base line of nutrients. I run the Coco specific ones in my DWC & Coco. There is no need for additives or supplements beyond that.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Amaximus said:
Don't think anyone ever said An didn't work. They're just overpriced. Way overpriced.

Do what you want. No one is trying to convince you to do one thing or the other. personally I dont care how you waste your money. It's your money to waste.

/end captain obvious
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Offer an alternative that has ph balance technology where you only have to change the res once a week to maintain PH or water once a week.

I'm happy to hear alternatives. Lots of people are saying how overpriced and scammy it is but they don't have anything to compare it to that has similar features.
 
JohnDee

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calvin.m16 said:
I love the idea of Organic growing but when it comes down to it I end up having to add chemicals to get rid of bugs and end up with more problems than if I just used synthetic nutrients in the first place. Also Soil isn't really reusable like coco. I can wash my coco out in huge totes and rinse/drain a few times and re-use almost forever. I've gone through about 3 grow cycles now with autos and used the same coco mix.
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Hi Calvin,
This mirrored my own experience and what brought me to chemical nutes. If I lived in the country...I'd do organic. But for now...I'm using Maxi series and happy with the results.

That being said...I have an online buddy...an old timer like me...who loves AN nutes and also never tests ph. He does great with it. To each his own...
JD
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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JohnDee said:
Hi Calvin,
This mirrored my own experience and what brought me to chemical nutes. If I lived in the country...I'd do organic. But for now...I'm using Maxi series and happy with the results.

That being said...I have an online buddy...an old timer like me...who loves AN nutes and also never tests ph. He does great with it. To each his own...
JD
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JD, do you have to use a very small dose of MaxiBloom? I personally tried using Maxi already and it fried my month old clones to almost no return. I was thinking if I'm not mistaken the correct dosage for bloom would be like around 1 tsp/5 gallons of RO. Also, do you PH your Maxi? It says it's ph buffered but when I used Maxi I noticed it made my 15 ppm RO water that is normally 6 PH go to a red 4.5-5 ph.

I would like to use MaxiBloom start to finish since I'm growing Autos just in my personal experience it was hard to mix into the water and also burned my plants at half dose.
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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calvin.m16 said:
JD, do you have to use a very small dose of MaxiBloom? I personally tried using Maxi already and it fried my month old clones to almost no return. I was thinking if I'm not mistaken the correct dosage for bloom would be like around 1 tsp/5 gallons of RO. Also, do you PH your Maxi? It says it's ph buffered but when I used Maxi I noticed it made my 15 ppm RO water that is normally 6 PH go to a red 4.5-5 ph.

I would like to use MaxiBloom start to finish since I'm growing Autos just in my personal experience it was hard to mix into the water and also burned my plants at half dose.
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What manufacturers do is to provide N in a balanced manner. Using nitrates, ammonium and urea based N to buffer nutrients. Only problem is that it works best at specific concentrations.

I notice that with Maxi in that once I mix up a gal. The stronger I mix it...the more acidic it is (low ph)...

Also...if you are using a res with bubbling...the air can affect ph as well.

On any nutes...it's important to NOT use at manufacturers dosage. Always too high.

Do you have a ppm meter. I use a bluelab truncheon and it works great.

This is what I do in my veg room. To feed anything from seedlings to small veg plants.

I measure with a teaspoon. 5 mls. Been doing it this way for 10 years so I'm good at estimating 1/2 tsp or even 1/4 tsp

I use de chlorinated tap water at around 80 ppm. I put in roughly 1/2 tsp of Maxibloom or Maxigrow. Works either way. Then I add calmag which puts me close to 700 ppm.

I always have a gal of ph corrected tap water too.

So now I can dilute the nutrients as needed without messing with ph. 200 ppm for tiny seedlings in coco (in soil...no need for food)

Clones get roughly 300 to 350 ppm and small veg plants maybe 500ppm. Heavy indicas need a little extra strength.
JD

PS I tsp on 5 gal should have been fairly low. It wouldn't have burnt a clone (clones are just small adult plants) unless your ph was way off. Also a 1 tsp does not mean 1 heaping tsp...way more.
 
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boybelue

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JohnDee said:
What manufacturers do is to provide N in a balanced manner. Using nitrates, ammonium and urea based N to buffer nutrients. Only problem is that it works best at specific concentrations.

I notice that with Maxi in that once I mix up a gal. The stronger I mix it...the more acidic it is (low ph)...

Also...if you are using a res with bubbling...the air can affect ph as well.

On any nutes...it's important to NOT use at manufacturers dosage. Always too high.

Do you have a ppm meter. I use a bluelab truncheon and it works great.

This is what I do in my veg room. To feed anything from seedlings to small veg plants.

I measure with a teaspoon. 5 mls. Been doing it this way for 10 years so I'm good at estimating 1/2 tsp or even 1/4 tsp

I use de chlorinated tap water at around 80 ppm. I put in roughly 1/2 tsp of Maxibloom or Maxigrow. Works either way. Then I add calmag which puts me close to 700 ppm.

I always have a gal of ph corrected tap water too.

So now I can dilute the nutrients as needed without messing with ph. 200 ppm for tiny seedlings in coco (in soil...no need for food)

Clones get roughly 300 to 350 ppm and small veg plants maybe 500ppm. Heavy indicas need a little extra strength.
JD

PS I tsp on 5 gal should have been fairly low. It wouldn't have burnt a clone (clones are just small adult plants) unless your ph was way off. Also a 1 tsp does not mean 1 heaping tsp...way more.
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You add cal mag last? I've always heard to add cal-mag first. If you add it last it supposedly binds to other elements and can precipitate out of solution. Only thing I add before cal-mag is silica.
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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boybelue said:
You add cal mag last? I've always heard to add cal-mag first. If you add it last it supposedly binds to other elements and can precipitate out of solution. Only thing I add before cal-mag is silica.
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Truthfully...I've been using this combo of stuff for so long that I know it doesn't matter which I add when. Never had an interaction causing sediment in a decade...so I've gotten a little sloppy.
JD
 
Nutty sKunK

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calvin.m16 said:
I don't run anything except for their base line of nutrients. I run the Coco specific ones in my DWC & Coco. There is no need for additives or supplements beyond that.
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Ironically there is because they leave out certain nutrients (cal/mag being the big 2) which are available in there other products - it’s a business after all...
 
Hashishh

Hashishh

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I bought their base nutrients - Grow, Bloom and Micro. I've had nothing but issues. Dificiencies galore.

Switched to DNF Six pack and plants turned around in a few days. Going to try Mega Crop and hope it has what it needs in it.

Would never buy or recommend AN after trying it.
 
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boybelue

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JohnDee said:
Truthfully...I've been using this combo of stuff for so long that I know it doesn't matter which I add when. Never had an interaction causing sediment in a decade...so I've gotten a little sloppy.
JD
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If it ain't broke dont fix it! Lol, honestly cant say I buy into it either cause I've added it at different times accidentally and never seen no precipitation. I'm sure they recommend it as a precautionary because it could bind up but in most cases as long as you have enough water your mixing into and dont pour them in at the same time it's more than likely not going to happen.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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hellmutt bones said:
The look good. How long did you veg? And what nutrients did you use at veg?
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Sorry but I use 1 oz per 2.5 gallons of Reverse Osmosis water. I'm currently running just the Advanced Nutrients Coco Connoisseur A+B. Sometimes I run the non-coco version and then just add their calimagic or botanicare Calmag+.
 
Psyphish

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I've had fantastic results with pH-perfect Sensi Coco. It's so easy too. Every now and then I think about trying soil, but then I come to my senses lol.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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calvin.m16 said:
Sorry but I use 1 oz per 2.5 gallons of Reverse Osmosis water. I'm currently running just the Advanced Nutrients Coco Connoisseur A+B. Sometimes I run the non-coco version and then just add their calimagic or botanicare Calmag+.
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1oz per bottle? so 2 oz. total per 2.5 gallons? 60ml per 2.5 gallons? Or do you mean 15ml A and 15ml B?

What EC?

calvin.m16 said:
Maxi BLoom is for trailer park weed.
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Says the guy using Bulgarian Nutrients.
 
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