Advanced Nutrients has class....

Uncle Ben said:

"We" don't use snake oil, some of "us" aren't that foolish.

Like I said, if you LISTEN starting at exactly one minute, you'll hear this pot belly shark ADMIT he only cares about the money, about sales. After all, making money is his "moral obligation."

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Making money for oneself is everyone's moral obligation. If i don't make money for myself I don't feed myself or my animals or my girlfriend or do things I like. You're out there in your thinking man. Admins should consider banning this guy he is ruining your site. I just started searching and the first thing I come across is this guys slander and paranoid posts about pot bellied salesman. Get uncle ben off of this website.

chickentetrazzini530 said:

Making money for oneself is everyone's moral obligation. If i don't make money for myself I don't feed myself or my animals or my girlfriend or do things I like. You're out there in your thinking man. Admins should consider banning this guy he is ruining your site. I just started searching and the first thing I come across is this guys slander and paranoid posts about pot bellied salesman. Get uncle ben off of this website.

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Little exteme don't ya think? I highly doubt Uncle Ben is going anywhere bro.

doc111 said:

Little exteme don't ya think? I highly doubt Uncle Ben is going anywhere bro.

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That is a bit much, I don't want to him to go anywhere. I just want him to stay our of the Advanced Nutrients threads that he has nothing to add to. This one doesn't even bother me much (until he started trying to post ridiculous pictures and claim it's indicative of my growing OR of AN when it clearly isn't).

I don't even mind if he says "These other nutrients work very well for me and I like the price, so I use them", but instead he always tries to come out and act like the high and mighty voice of greatness and belittle the people that successfully use Advanced Nutrients products. Claiming that they don't work as advertised and that the other alternatives are "just as good" when he hasn't done any actual comparisons and there's plenty of evidence to support otherwise in the form of loyal, happy customers.

But do I think he should leave the forum? No, I think discussion is healthy, and I actually enjoy many of his insights and this thread it's actually appropriate.

The claim here is that AN has class, and that's disputable and I don't mind seeing the reasoning why they aren't a "classy" operation. That's why I even bothered, I don't think that they are classy and I think they do sell way too many products for the average user to happy with them.

laserbrn said:

That is a bit much, I don't want to him to go anywhere. I just want him to stay our of the Advanced Nutrients threads that he has nothing to add to. This one doesn't even bother me much (until he started trying to post ridiculous pictures and claim it's indicative of my growing OR of AN when it clearly isn't).

I don't even mind if he says "These other nutrients work very well for me and I like the price, so I use them", but instead he always tries to come out and act like the high and mighty voice of greatness and belittle the people that successfully use Advanced Nutrients products. Claiming that they don't work as advertised and that the other alternatives are "just as good" when he hasn't done any actual comparisons and there's plenty of evidence to support otherwise in the form of loyal, happy customers.

But do I think he should leave the forum? No, I think discussion is healthy, and I actually enjoy many of his insights and this thread it's actually appropriate.

The claim here is that AN has class, and that's disputable and I don't mind seeing the reasoning why they aren't a "classy" operation. That's why I even bothered, I don't think that they are classy and I think they do sell way too many products for the average user to happy with them.

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I feel ya bro. UB's views on marijuana specific ferts are a bit extreme. I've complimented you on your donkey dicks in the past. Results speak volumes. Different shit works for different folks. I can't get AN where I live so I've never used them. I've used a lot of other shit and most of it worked pretty good. Right now I'm mainly using FF and I like the simplicity of it. And I get good results (see private album). I'm all about trying new and different things. The greatest thing about cannabis is that there is no such thing as a magic bullet but over the years I've been able to tweak my grows and to me it's about constantly improving and pushing the envelope of efficiency.

Peace and Love to all.

laserbrn said:

You are laughable my friend. You can click through all my grow journals and find the "failed" one if you want.

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Nope, just conveniently clicked on your sig.

Where are they? Please link to these wonderful and awe inspiring grows.

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Well, if you had been around as long as I have, you'd know that a half a dozen sites have bit the dust. BTW, anyone can grow "donkey dicks" with your typical indica mutts. Where's the sativa?

As I said before, after everyone of "the best" sites has bit the dust - i.e. cann.com, OG, CW, PG....I'm through posting journals, nor to I contribute to a gallery here. ANY cannabis forum can bite the dust without any notice.

*I in no way endorse Advanced Nutrients, their business practices or claim that their product is better than anyone else's. I simply DENY the claim that AN's products are shit and don't work. They work, and they work very well, but I don't claim that the others don't. Seeing as I haven't tried them, I would be talking out of my ass....

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I never said they don't work, I don't care if they do or do not "work". My grandma's boot would work as a pot (good drainage, aeration....full of bacteria), so what's your point?

clasonde said:

I have years of experience in sales, currently going to school to get my masters in the foundations of business, and this guy is literally pulling one of the oldest tricks in the book, introduce a "better" product, (anyone else notice that he didn't choose a veg or flowering nute, just a rooting hormone?) talk it up and create a value and a need for this "alien" product. No lie, he probably followed the age old advice of ,"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and is somehow under a contract, offered money, or even bought the "competitor" and just slapped a different label on it.

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Yep. It's quite obvious to wise folks what this guy is up to.

doc111 said:

Little exteme don't ya think? I highly doubt Uncle Ben is going anywhere bro.

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These ass kissin' fools have been trying to censor me forever. FAIL

uncle ben smashes them haters. YEE nor Cal love.

chickentetrazzini530 said:

Ben, im a new guy here but not new to forums. I use advanced nutes cuz they work for me not because that guy used to have a vagina or two dicks in his pants or had sex with his sister.

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Here ya go little Billy:

http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/posting.html?

Bitchfest and marketing bs aside I have seen results from top growers showing massive improvements in yields using roots accellerator.
(Not for rooting for veg and flower)

For example the current world record tree grow (dd's mpb system on thcf) went from 4lb max plants to 4.2lb average 5.6lb max by adding just roots accelerator. That's big people. Fucking incredible really.

That grow isn't online anymore unfortunately, but it's not just on the advice or word of one person or one grow, now that has been repeated by others and that one product has in fact been deemed an absolute must have for grows on that scale.

Rather than bitch about it being overpriced or a marketing scheme, we could instead work on getting a sample evaluated in a lab by a certain member here to allow us to copy it cheap. It works, period, it's apparently worth trying even if you hate both companies and marketing.

If you are growing a small personal stash stuff like this doesn't matter, damn right nobody needs to waste a cent on overpriced nutes when there is no real need to eek out that last percentage but if you are big and serious you need to at least TRY this stuff before saying another word. The proof is out there elsewhere if you search it out, I think AN had to concede publicly that they were bested on this because so many were seeing it and calling them out on it.

OregonMeds said:

Bitchfest and marketing bs aside I have seen results from top growers showing massive improvements in yields using roots accellerator.

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What is the active ingredient(s)?

we could instead work on getting a sample evaluated in a lab by a certain member here to allow us to copy it cheap.

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That would be lovely. In the meantime, a little homework is in order with a few important points to be made regarding the marketing and sales of cannabis specific products:

1. Products are advertised as "natural" "organic" or "work with nature". Many companies appear to be linking themselves to the sustainable agriculture movement.
2. The same product may be sold under several names. For example, the paper trail of a blue-green algae product shows that it has at' various times since 1973 been sold as Agralife, Agrovita, Genesis II, Planterra, Terra Salvo, Agrispon, Nitro/Max, Reward, Respond, and Soil Inoculant.
3. Relatively low rates of application are used.......
4. The product mode of action is unspecified or is a "trade secret".
5. Testimonials are a primary sales technique and sales campaigns usually precede replicated research trials. The decision to buy and use a product is, therefore, often determined by the skill of the salesperson not the efficacy of the product.

http://frec.cropsci.illinois.edu/1991/report1/index.htm

Known research is nice to have on a few hundred:
http://www.soils.wisc.edu/extension/pubs/2006noncon_with_ref.pdf

UB

thank you oregonmeds, thats pretty much what i tried to say (ive used and tested all types of products and this one works) but some people like to ignore the posts that dont work in there favor... and i dont think getting it tested by a lab will work, those type of products usual have crazy protective patents on them... but hey, its the same deal with Superthrive and people have no problem using that.

what is the ingredients of superthrive?

I can't recall what's in the stuff my memory isn't that great I was doing really good just remembering the numbers.

I'm thinking it's a beneficial bacteria or something but not sure at all. I really really do want to know though, but I think what it did for the plants was created a much finer hairier root structure. You could see it in pics the roots were no doubt vastly different.

It sure wasn't quackery. I have not tried it myself at all, lets be clear about that but sure looks promising from more than a few sources.

jberry said:

what is the ingredients of superthrive?

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1-NAA and vitamine B1. Here's what mah favorite girl says about the miracle vitamin:

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf

Ever seen this advertisement? “Product X, which contains vitamin B-1, stimulates the quick formation of new root hairs and revitalizes the delicate feeder roots that are often damaged in transplanting. [Product X] is especially designed to hasten the development of bareroot roses, shrubs, shade trees and bedding plants that have been moved to new locations. It helps plants become established quickly and ensures vigorous growth.” Another adds a little scientific terminology to convince you: “Vitamin B-1 (plus minor elements and chelating agents) is great for root growth and helps reduce transplant shock.” Or how about this one? “The combination of Vitamin B-1 with essential micro nutrients forms a highly effective mixture...and lessens the chances of transplant shock and plant stress.”

Aren’t you convinced that if you don’t use products with Vitamin B-1 your transplants will suffer?

Apparently administrators at one large university are. Under their “Typical Tree Protection and Relocation Specifications” is the following: “48 hours prior to cutting, an application of vitamin B-1
shall be administered to the rootball of the tree.” If a university requires this practice, it must be legitimate, right?

The Reality

Applying vitamin B-1, or thiamine, to root systems of whole plants does not stimulate root growth. This is a myth that refuses to die, though it has been repeatedly refuted in the scientific literature. To understand why, it helps to think about this in a historical perspective......

Patents only stop people from selling a copy of the product, they do not stop individuals from making their own copies. You can copy anything you like straight off a patent any time you like and tell others how to do the same legally, you just can't sell it.

You can make all your own copies of everything out there, and breed your own bacterias or whatever. I don't know how but fatman can tell you how if you don't piss him off. He can also test samples of anything you send him in a lab and break it down and give us the recipe to make it ourselves, if you don't piss him off. I hope he doesn't mind me saying that, I only say he could, doesn't mean he will anymore at one time he would have maybe for certain people.

okay, so what are the other 48 vitamins and hormones?

... 50 in 1:

http://www.superthrive.com/extra_life.html

jberry said:

okay, so what are the other 48 vitamins and hormones?

... 50 in 1:

http://www.superthrive.com/extra_life.html

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I don't think that's a reference to the ingredients. I think they are claiming it's 50 products in one. UB is correct on the ingredients as far as I can tell because that's exactly what my bottle says.

OregonMeds said:

Patents only stop people from selling a copy of the product, they do not stop individuals from making their own copies. You can copy anything you like straight off a patent any time you like and tell others how to do the same legally, you just can't sell it.

You can make all your own copies of everything out there, and breed your own bacterias or whatever. I don't know how but fatman can tell you how if you don't piss him off. He can also test anything you send him, if you don't piss him off.

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interesting, ive heard of people spending a pretty penny on getting a "boost" product tested... the lab told him although they found out what was in it but they couldnt tell him because it was protected in some way? maybe they are all just lying or doing something wrong?

doc111 said:

I don't think that's a reference to the ingredients. I think they are claiming it's 50 products in one. UB is correct on the ingredients as far as I can tell because that's exactly what my bottle says.

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No, im pretty sure they mean 50 vitamins and hormones.
this is copy and pasted from the Superthrive website made by the Vitamin Institute:

"Superthrive, proven over a half century of use, is the worlds number one top plant supply with over 50 vitamines and hormones."


and by the way, if their were ever a company that uses wacky marketing, it is definitely Superthrive!! I think anyone would get a laugh reading just the packaging.... but that doesnt mean it doesnt work, i have a bottle right here.

Uncle Ben said:

What is the active ingredient(s)?

That would be lovely. In the meantime, a little homework is in order with a few important points to be made regarding the marketing and sales of cannabis specific products:

1. Products are advertised as "natural" "organic" or "work with nature". Many companies appear to be linking themselves to the sustainable agriculture movement.
2. The same product may be sold under several names. For example, the paper trail of a blue-green algae product shows that it has at' various times since 1973 been sold as Agralife, Agrovita, Genesis II, Planterra, Terra Salvo, Agrispon, Nitro/Max, Reward, Respond, and Soil Inoculant.
3. Relatively low rates of application are used.......
4. The product mode of action is unspecified or is a "trade secret".
5. Testimonials are a primary sales technique and sales campaigns usually precede replicated research trials. The decision to buy and use a product is, therefore, often determined by the skill of the salesperson not the efficacy of the product.

http://frec.cropsci.illinois.edu/1991/report1/index.htm

Known research is nice to have on a few hundred:
http://www.soils.wisc.edu/extension/pubs/2006noncon_with_ref.pdf

UB

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good post. to that one. in reality a lot of nutrients, regardless of names, have the same ingredients in them. kind of like when new growers who didn't know about molasses, and how molasses is in practically all "bloom" foods. even some of these so-called organic nutrients are still made from synthetic materials or organic matter broken down with chemicals; all the waste from the factories goes to the same place.

so believe what you want about whatever nutrient company you want to endose; they all work apparently or none would be in business; but, not only are businesses struggling now a days due to economic mis-management, people still endorse, sell, and will slap on whatever guarantee or safety net to get people to buy their products for the benefit of increasing their bank account.

i don't doubt any of Advanced Nutrients products or the competitor's, but i still think i am going to continue my methods.

ps. the only way you can REALLY use REAL organic nutrients: use real shit!, with a quality soil you don't need to spend money on these products and endorse these greedy piggy-bank companies.

jberry said:

interesting, ive heard of people spending a pretty penny on getting a "boost" product tested... the lab told him although they found out what was in it but they couldnt tell him because it was protected in some way? maybe they are all just lying or doing something wrong?

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I don't know man, over my head. I have no lab no knowledge of a lab, no knowledge how certain people may or may nor have access to a lab, just a dumb simpleton that knows you can actually pretty easily mix up all your own brand name nutrients with little effort if if you take the time and trouble to order up the base ingredients online and mix them yourself.

I'm not using nutes on a large enough scale to bother so it's easier just to buy my stuff. Apparently, going off memory, if you want to mix 250 -300 or so gallons of concentrate yourself like a veg nute or flower nute copy of most any brand name stuff you can think of, the base ingredients only cost around $300 or so. Compared to thousands at retail.