Advanced Nutrients

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
Bud Factor X has got me all wet. :)

Going to use a variation of sensi 2+ program. Check out Progressivegrowth.com an discountadvancednutrients for some recipes only using 5 or so advanced products. I will be using Connoisseur for sure.
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
I have used connoisseur and found no advantage over Sensibloom.

I used sensigrow for veg
and connoisseur fr flower.

I also used connoisseur throughout the whole grow.

I did not find any advantage to using connoisseur
and it is very expensive.

Sensigrow and Sensibloom are pretty cheap,
and should be used at 50% .

Remember that light is more important
(the amount and spectrum)
than the amount of nutes.

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Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
That is a very valid point Earl. I own a dispensary here in Denver, so I get all nutrients for whole sale price. I sell nutrients to other caregivers and patients. I provide service to patients as far as medicine is concerned. I also offer services to caregivers growing supplies, clones, great prices on the best cannabis nutrients. I will soon be offering grow room design, construction and consultation services. All at way better than any hydro store prices.
So if you live in Denver or near here look me up in the Westword in the alternative healing section.
Mile High Quality of Life:joint::mrgreen:
 
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Earl

Well-Known Member
This is kinda off topic, but here goes.

CaliGrower said:
Proper lighting may be the most important piece of the indoor garden. Photosynthesis and chlorophyll production occur throughout the spectrum with peaks in chlorophyll synthesis around 400nm in the violet wavelengths and photosynthesis around 700nm in the orange-red wavelengths. It's easy to see that any artificial light producing the visible spectrum can be used to grow plants. Only a few types of artificial lights will grow plants well.

Fluorescents and high intensity discharge (HID) lights have been the only useful artificials until the recent past when LED and MPS (microwave powered sulfur plasma) became available. The price of LED & MPS is still prohibitive for the grower on a small budget. Currently they are about twice the price of a dual 1000W system/bulbs/reflector/fans. However, LED's use much less energy and have a much longer life than HID and flourescents so their savings is realized slowly. MPS systems use 1000W of energy; they only offer savings in the less frequent bulb changes. MPS bulbs only need to be changed every 7 yrs while MH & HPS should be changed yearly.

Incandescent, halogen, and mercury vapor lights will grow plants, just not well. They produce a lot of heat and little light so they are much less efficient than the others. Their spectrums are heavily weighted on the red side which induces stretching (longer internode spacing). Heat also induces stretching which combined with the redder spectrum produces a spindly plant sparsely populated with leaves.

Lights are often rated in color temperature - degrees Kelvin (K). Low numbers indicate redder light while high numbers indicate bluer light; red light is designated warm and blue light is designated cool.
2100K - HPS
3000K - warm white
4200K - cool white, MH
5000K - "full spectrum"
6500K - "sunlight" or "daylight"
9000K - specialty MH and uVb fluoros (lizard lights)

Fluorescents
Fluoros come in 2 types, standard tubes and compact fluorescents (CF or CFL). Tube fixtures house the ballasts that power the bulbs while CFL's can be screwed into any household socket. Conventional CFL's, that is. CFL's designed specifically for horticultural use often require a MOGUL socket. In both cases, the ballast is housed in the base of the bulb so they generate a bit more heat than tubes. The plants can't be quite as close. The biggest drawback with fluorescents is they only penetrate about 6". Blacklights produce uvA & uvB light and are useful as supplementals only. A better choice would be a 10,000K aquarium light. Fluoros designed specifically for horticultural use are available. Some employ targeted spectrum phosphors emitting a purple glow.

High Intensity Discharge (HID)
There are 3 varieties of HID lights useful for growing, HPS, MH, and MPS. HID lights require a ballast to provide the power to ignite them. Some have the ballast built into the fixture and others are available with a remote ballast. I recommend the remote ballast types for two reasons. First, the ballast is heavy and incorporating it into the fixture creates a very heavy fixture to hang over your delicate plants. Second, ballasts produce heat and being able to locate a remote ballast outside the growspace helps control heat. Electronic ballasts produce much less heat but are a little more expensive. Horticultural lighting systems are available with shrouded cords. You simply hang the light and plug it in.

As the name implies, HID lights have a higher intensity and penetrate farther than fluoros.
50-70W penetrates about 1ft
150-250W penetrates about 1.5ft
400-600W penetrates about 3ft
1000W penetrates about 4ft

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
HPS can be identified by the rosey glow it emits. Watt for watt, it produces more overall light than MH. HPS induces stretch (longer internode intervals) due to its redder light. It emits a spectrum useful for growing throughout the lifecycle although many growers use them only for flowering. Plain HPS bulbs work just fine, providing ample useable light for growth, but there are bulbs available with an enhanced blue spectrum to aid foliage growth and combat stretching. EYE Hortilux, Sunmaster, and Phillips Son Agro are 3 well known brands. Currently their cost is about 4 times that of a regular HPS bulb and worth it.

Metal Halide
MH emits a more natural white light. Watt for watt they emit less light than HPS (36,000 lumens for a 400W MH vs 50,000 lumens for a 400W HPS). Plants grow very compactly under the bluer light of MH, therefore many growers use them for vegetative growing and switch to HPS for flowering. Plants do very well under MH throughout their lifecycle, but the lack of red light inhibits flower/fruit production so the plants yield somewhat less. Sunmaster and others now make MH in enhanced spectrums. Cool MH (4000-6000K) for vegging and warm MH (2000-3000K) for flowering. Light systems designed for aquariums are available with MH in the 9000K range. MH also produces a *small* amount of uvB light which is theorized to increase resin production.

LED
There are several websites to visit. LED Grow Lights.com offers proof that they work and excellent information on growing applications, with specific information on plants with low light requirements and those with high light requirements. LED is still very expensive, but prices are coming down and the intensity is improving.

How much light do I need?
Cannabis is categorized as a high light plant. There are minimum levels of illumination required to insure compact plants. I have read that gardens can be successfully lit by as little as 2500 lumens/ft² when vegging and 5000 lumens/ft² when flowering. Most growers never use anything less than 3000 lumens/ft² for vegetative plants and 7500 lumens/ft² for flowering plants (in HID terms: 35W/ft² for veg and 60W/ft² to flower). Intensity degrades exponentially as you get farther from the source so the lights have to be kept close to the plants. To the indoor gardener this means less penetration through dense foliage. Ventilation is the key to keeping the light close. Air-cooled, tempered glass shielded hoods go a long way toward controlling heat. A small fan blowing right at the bulb works well also.

CaliGrower's Light Distance Charts for HID's are invaluable aids, displaying levels of illumination at specific distances as well as PAR energy.




Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR) is how plants "see" light. There is a line on the chart indicating where various wattages provide equivalent PAR to the sun. As long as your light is that close, you will see lush, compact growth. Interestingly, Sunmaster is the only vendor I find that lists PAR wattages for their bulbs. This link is a FAQ with a more technical discussion of PAR as well as conversion factors for various lights.

Broadside Lighting
The angle of light is important as well. Rays of sunlight are almost parallel by the time they reach earth due to the distance between earth and sun. A 10ft plant is illuminated equally from top to bottom outdoors. That is not the case indoors where the plants are a few feet at most from the light. Hanging lights vertically without reflectors at varying heights between rows of plants insures illumination to the bottom of the plants, penetration to the center, and dense growth along their entire height.
 

Dayzt

Well-Known Member
I'm using only AN nutes for my current grow which is 100% organic.

I'm using the Iguana Juice 1-part - I used the Iguana Juice Grow for my entire 6-week veg cycle and have been using the Iguana Juice Bloom for my flowering cycle up to this point (end of the 4th wk of flower). 3.5 weeks in to flowering, I added the AN Nirvana (enhancer) to split the flowering nutes with the IG Bloom.

Nirvana: https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=381

Iguana Juice Grow: https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=33&catID=32

Iguana Juice Bloom: https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=32&catID=32

I can't believe how nice they look this early in the flowering phase... and still about 4-5 weeks to go!

Here's a quick bud shot...



:leaf:

Please check out the link in my signtaure for for more info on this AN grow! :joint:
 

Comando

Member
All your buying with AN is an expensive feeding schedule that works great.....you can acheive the same results with much less expensive nutes... I hope I dont sound like an ass but that is the point most people are trying to make.... In fact that is what you are buying with most nute comapanies....A FEEDING SCHEDULE.... Advanced nutes has obviously spent a lot of time proving and convincing that they are worth the your trust...so good for them.... I am sure many people have amazing results... I like organic but Like to throw in some additives once in a while like Overdrive.... you only use it like twice in your grow and I am unfamilliar of a less expensive replacement for a finisher soo...for my noob ass it is worth the 30 bucks to get dense flowers.
 

UPNSMOKE23

Active Member
AD has great proucts when used a certian way or in conjuction with other products. U have to use the right products that go together. Ex. for veg if u want it big in hydro or soil I have used vodoo juice wit phiranah and turantula carbload. includind base nutes this will give great growth from da roots to the stem. IF u wanna save money u only get powered form its hella cheaper than liquid. Bout if u use AD with other companys u could get even greater result bc they work wonders together. Try AD phiranah and turantula with root excelerator and use carbload with AD or any other companys base nutes then u get even bigger and healthier plant do wonders then just using all AD products. They make great products but u could mix and match that will make it even better. I could get a pound a plant in areo system because of trail and error and learning from my mistakes and sucesses. I COULD GET PLANTS BIGGER AND GROW FASTR WIT TECHNIQUES I LEARNED AND CREATED. Its all on the grower not all about nutes. Everything u do has to work in harmony with your plants and the stuff u give it. No futher question just the truth!!!!!!
 

sirwolf

Active Member
this is an old thread...... but, i use nirvana and overdrive by an they are both great so far. i also use fox farm big bloom, grow big, tiger bloom, gh ca/mg, & ej micro blast.
im thinking of dropping tiger bloom and grow big for iguana juice grow & bloom. or, im looking at canna and van de zwaan house & garden as well. my hydro store has them all, so we shall see.
 

brianbertz

Well-Known Member
I hate to be the only one dissenting here but I bought as much of the A.N. line as $500 would get me and my grow was not as good as the soil grow I did side by side or the next grow which was done with Iconic grow and bloom (about $60 for the 2 gallons). I saw the Nutrient Challenge on YouTube too and I was all pumped up about it; that's why I spent so much money on it. I'm using Dutch Master now and I don't think it's any better than it or the Iconic.
really? i used dutch master and fox farm and i think they both sucked compared to an. thats just my opinion tho from what i got out of it. im sure alot of people get good results with them but i didnt.
 

brianbertz

Well-Known Member
exactly, i would buy a product with 20 + years of great reviews (canna) without any worry. + i'm already using canna, its not like i'm trying to decided between the 2.
i just am sick of hearing about A.N. and wanted to be able to speak from actual experience when i say that they wont improve shit if your already using a top of the line nutrient company like Van De Zwaan House & Garden or Canna. I personally think u wouldnt see much of any difference accept in your pocket, time, and shelf space.

but A.N. has a lot of not so great reviews, coming from reliable sources.

i think the fact that all the hydro shops wont honor A.N.'s guarantee 4 better results, shows you what the store owners think about A.N. -( that its not actually gunna give improvements over most companies, so why would they honor it??)

i had 5 different hydro stores laugh in my face when i told them i wanted to do a side by side with A.N. vs. Canna...
Everyone in the industry is sick of A.N. crossing the line with their b.s. claims... and you can not go from 1 pounds to 2 pounds by switching from canna to a.n. !!!

i was only gunna waste my time and $ on the side by side if i could get my moneyback at the end and use it to buy my usual Canna Coco nutes.

if you buy for quality, than switch to H&G or Canna, (they use pharmacuticle grade ingredients.)
i know this is an old post but i know several people who have and still do use a.n and they swear by it. especially with the new ph perfect line. i just ordered some because of all the positive things ive heard. some of my friends and my own uncle have used quite a few diff. brands of nutes and they all agree that a.n gives them the best results. i agree it is REALLY pricey but from what ive seen and heard it is def. worth it which is why i ordered quite a few of their products. i dont see and b.s claims made by them. as far as ive seen everything they promised about their products they have delivered. im sure not everybody gets good results but then i would say its the growers fault not a.n's. thats just my opinion on the subject tho.
 

brianbertz

Well-Known Member
i cant resist telling you that im not a noob, since i believe your talking about me (im the only other one who doesnt agree with you, so it must be me).
I'm a second generation grower that has been growing for 14 years, i was taught how to grow by my father (a horticulturist) and about seven years ago i was re-taught by someone who has been featured in high times every few months for the last 8 years.
you are a bubble head growing in a tent, big deal. your the one that needs experience... i say to hell with your thread, how much is A.N. paying you to drop ads on here?

potpimp is a pimp!
id say ur a cocky little bitch who talks too much shit.
 

infinitescrog

Active Member
So I am going down to the hydro store in the morning and I was planning on switching to AN. I was planning on picking up Sensi Bloom A+B , Overdrive, Big Bud, and B-52. I am going to use this is my two 5 gallon dwc's. I am upgrading from GH nutes. What is everyones experience with those supplements?
 

jberry

Well-Known Member
id say ur a cocky little bitch who talks too much shit.
Ok Brian, Spend away smart guy!
You should consider doing some research...
Here are some links to get you started.:

Stop Sales List for A.N. products, last updated: March 1, 2011:
http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/stopsales.shtml

The History of Advanced Nutrients
:

http://www.integralhydro.com/AdvancedNutrients3.html

A.N. Hydro Hype 1:

http://www.integralhydro.com/advancednutrients.html

A.N. Hydro Hype 3:

http://www.integralhydro.com/AdvancedNutrients2.html

I'm sure it's all a little too much for you but maybe it will help someone with half a brain instead of someone that has a uncle that tried A.N. and says its the best lol.
 

jberry

Well-Known Member
A Letter to Advanced Nutrients from The Oregon Department of Agriculture:
“June 17, 2010
ADVANCED NUTRIENTS
Oregon Department of Agriculture
635 Capitol Street NE
Salem, OR 97301-2532
Sent by Certified Mail​
NOTICE OF NONCOMPLIANCE:
A recent Advanced Nutrients PR release titled, "Hydroponics Nutrients for Medical
Marijuana Gain Government Approval" (http://www.prnewswire.com/
news-releases/hydroponics-nutrients-for-medical-marijuana-gain-government-approval-95489084.html), with the company contact specified as Michael Straumietis, contains false and misleading claims concerning Advanced Nutrients products.​
As I explained in a letter of February 23, 2010, to Advanced Nutrients, "labeling" means any printed or verbal representation used to promote the sale of any fertilizer,
agricultural mineral, agricultural amendment or lime product. Labeling includes, but is not limited to: sales presentations, brochures, posters, websites, printed advertisements, radio and television advertisements [ORS 633.311 (14)]. Press releases are a form of labeling.​
Oregon statute [ORS 633.366(2)(a)] considers a product mislabeled if the label or
labeling is "false, misleading or deceptive." Using Webster's Third New International
Dictionary as a guide, a claim is misleading if it, "lead in a wrong direction or into a
mistaken action or belief." Further, in identifying "mislead" as a synonym to "deceive" the dictionary states that "mislead" "indicates a causing to fall into error of some sort,
intentionally or not." Products with labels or labeling using terms or claims that may
mislead a consumer are mislabeled, and prohibited under Oregon law.​
1) This press release states, " .. . Oregon regulators have given first-ever official US approval to a brand of medical marijuana hydroponics nutrients ... "
The online version of the Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines approve as "to have or
express a favorable opinion of." Product registration means a product has met the
minimum requirements for sale or distribution in Oregon. No opinion, favorable or
otherwise, is expressed or implied. This statement, which applies to the entire
Advanced Nutrients brand, is false and misleading.
2) This press release states, " . . . Oregon regulators have given first-ever official US
approval to a brand of medical marijuana hydroponics nutrients ... " In fact, Oregon
has registered two Advanced Nutrients products with label claims stating the product
is for the production of medical marijuana. Individual products are registered for sale
or distribution , not brands. This claim, which applies to the entire Advanced Nutrients brand, is misleading.​
3) The press release stated, "Until Straumietis asked regulators to evaluate the medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics formulas, regulators nationwide had apparently never considered how hydroponics nutrients specifically affect medical marijuana crops."​
To date, Oregon has not received a request from Mr. Straumietis to "evaluate the
medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics
formulas .... " This labeling claim is false, and all "Advanced Nutrients hydroponic
formulas" may be considered mislabeled.​
4) This press release stated, "Until Straumietis asked regulators to evaluate the medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics formulas , regulators nationwide had apparently never considered how hydroponics nutrients specifically affect medical marijuana crops."​
This claim, that a state agency, which might be considered as an independent
evaluator, has evaluated and approved the safety of these products to produce
medical marijuana is false. This claim is also particularly disturbing, as it appears to be targeted to mislead a particularly vulnerable population, medical patients who have turned to medical marijuana in hope of some relief of their symptoms.
The claim that Oregon, the state referred to in the PR release, has evaluated the
effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics for use in the production of medical marijuana is false and misleading, and all "Advanced Nutrients hydroponic formulas" may be considered mislabeled…..
Don Wolf
Fertilizer Program Specialist
Oregon Department of Agriculture
503-986-4587
Fax: (503) 986-4735
For more information visit our website:
oregon.gov/ODAIPEST/fertilizer.shtml”​
[End Quote]
 

Kush Pu$her

Member
i use
sensigrow a&b

sensibloom a&b+
bud candy wk1-6
bud blood wk 1-2
big bud wk 3-4
overdrive wk 5-6
flush wk 7-8

i love sensi AN products made for cannabis unlike tomato nutes
 

jberry

Well-Known Member
Some laughable ad from A.N. :
1.) "Fountain of Youth™ A break-through Egyptian process that allows for your plants to produce offspring. Using this Egyptian fertilization process, one can ensure the preservation of the genetics for years to come by creating your own seed stock. This process was released to the public after being discovered in an ancient tomb."

2.) "Ancient Secret™ For many years, there was a myth in ancient Egyptian times about a potion that was applied to a farmers garden that would increase the overall growth of vegetative growth by inches daily. Today, that myth has proven true with a break-through potion that will increase daily growth by inches."

3.) Organic B (author’s favorite)
"We got an amazing letter from Roberto Rodriguez, a Southern California weightlifter who’s also a hydroponics grower. He wrote us saying he keeps his bottles of Organic B, our powerful, all-organic plant growth B vitamin formula, in the same place where he keeps his sports power powders and drinks.On a day when he was exhausted and distracted preparing for an important weightlifting competition in Los Angeles, Roberto drank a glass full of our Organic B, instead of the powerlifting vitamin formula he’d intended to drink….
Two days later, Roberto competed and won the gold medal in bench press and squats. This was the first time he’d won a competition. He’d never even placed before.
Better yet, Roberto says he’d never felt so good, never recovered so fast, and never lifted so much. He gave credit to Organic B!
Now of course we don’t recommend that anybody consume our products that are meant for plants- but if Organic B can have this effect on a 210 pound weightlifter, just think what it can do for your plants."

Sounds like a serious respectable company right Bri?
 
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