Afganistan Collapse

Jimdamick

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My favorite. Knew a guy who made liquid who would trade me an oz of weed for what they called a hundred drop bottle. Like eye drop bottle. I never counted, but I think maybe closer to 50 drops. Anyway, good deal, an oz for a bottle of acid.
Only 3 drugs that I have taken allowed me to REALLY leave this planet and go places that I never was.
Heroin would allow you to dream about anything, like really dream, but too many side effects, like addiction/death to name a couple :)
Also, you can't do a fucking thing when your high on it, like if the house was on fire you'd say fuck it, I ain't moving, let it burn :)
Opium was great, similar to heroin as far as dreaming goes but not as intense.
I was lucky in that it was hard to find, I liked it to much
But tripping I instantly fell in love wih.
I connected to the real World thru it, in a way.
The visuals were nice, but I really liked the spiritual aspect.
Yea, acid is cool, but it can also be scary so don't go eating it like candy anyone that never tripped.
Envoirment is everything (no crowds)
A nice calm place with a couple of friends all tripping together is the way to go (playing this :) )

 

Jimdamick

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100% it will be rewritten. Nobody with a brain doesn't understand that it was a war crime. You can't just kill 200k+ civilians and say that it's good because it actual saved lives. Guess what genius, using your logic 9'11 was awesome because it will save American lives in the long. See, it doesn't work.

And justifiable? The lesson from the war that was learned was not that it was justifiable, the lesson learned was that it was a failure of the allies that caused the war to begin with in Europe. Just cleaning up your own shit. Well actually, Russian cleaning up your shit. America was Johnny come late and trying to claim the credit.

As far as Japan is concerned. Well we were trying and failed to save Asia from the west. We're not stupid, we saw what Europe did to Africa, we saw what war loving maniacs the west was. Russia was already trying to invade us. What we did is what America now calls justified self defense by attacking first. End of day it was always going to fail, no Asia force was ever going to win, China, Korea, could do nothing. The idea was to make it painful enough so that we would be left alone. Failed miserably. We were able to save most of our culture, but North Korea calls us the 51st state, they aren't far off. Again, in a few hundred years this will also be more fully understood.
Your Japanese?
 

DaFreak

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Corruption does not account for the naked cruelty of the event. It casts a pall over your indignation over getting nuked twice. Indeed that one event may have exceeded both bombings in terms of innocents killed.
What the Japanese military did has nothing to do with the Japanese citizens. Your education or lack of does not allow you to grasp this. I don’t believe you will get there. Hundred years though, people will be taught correctly.
 

DaFreak

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The military was made up of Japanese citizens.
Who were forced to serve and threatened with death if they didn’t do what they were told. But those are not even the citizens I was talking about. I’m talking about the 200k non soldiers, women and children who were killed. Again, I have zero respect for your understanding of reality, I don’t blame you for being ignorant of the world, but I don’t respect you either when you display that ignorance. People like you are why Afganistan happened.
 

CatHedral

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Who were forced to serve and threatened with death if they didn’t do what they were told. But those are not even the citizens I was talking about. I’m talking about the 200k non soldiers, women and children who were killed. Again, I have zero respect for your understanding of reality, I don’t blame you for being ignorant of the world, but I don’t respect you either when you display that ignorance. People like you are why Afganistan happened.
People like you are why the Japanese army took as many as ten million civilian lives during their orgy of atrocity in China. So I will not tolerate a hypocritical tirade from you on civilians killed.

Those two bombs saved somewhere between ten and forty million lives on the home islands.
 

DaFreak

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People like you are why the Japanese army took as many as ten million civilian lives during their orgy of atrocity in China. So I will not tolerate a hypocritical tirade from you on civilians killed.

Those two bombs saved somewhere between ten and forty million lives on the home islands.
You are a product of public education and a disgrace to humans.
 

Lucky Luke

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BTW, if anybody really wants to know how to make America Great again. It's to get 100% behind Biden's green initiative. Invest heavily and within a few decades America will once again lead the world in technology and manufacturing of something that means something and has a future instead of trying to bring coal back. Tax the rich tax the rich tax the rich and make it happen.
Don't be silly. They want a war with China and become a dictatorship more than going green. America loves a good war.
 

Lucky Luke

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People like you are why the Japanese army took as many as ten million civilian lives during their orgy of atrocity in China. So I will not tolerate a hypocritical tirade from you on civilians killed.

Those two bombs saved somewhere between ten and forty million lives on the home islands.
And America dropped the bombs due to Russia being approx. 30klms away from the Japanese mainland and they didn't want Russia having Japan. Have a look on a map. Russia got o so close. But this has all been covered on RIU before. Japan did not surrender due to the two Weapons of Mass destruction they surrendered because it was preferable than Russian ownership. I understand why American historians still present the case that the bombs did this and that as it makes them feel less guilty or not guilty at all but there's a reason Japan lost the islands just off their mainlands.
But this thread is about Afghanistan and America's invasion and surrender to. Saudi Arabia should feature a mention as they got away with literally murder and terrorism thanks to Bush and the oil companies.

History is written by the victor but over decades the truth usually comes out.

Side note : Is America capable of winning a modern war? Or are they stuck in just Bomb civilians mode?
 
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hanimmal

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Well that's my point. Growers are lazy. They leave dead plant material all over the place, put shit off to the next day etc. It shows in their weed. I don't know the reasons for this, just an observation. If I were paying Russian trolls to persuade Americans of anything, I would hit major sites where you get bang for your buck. Not a pot site. So I don't believe in all this Russian Trolls among us here at rollitup.
Man you are working really hard to sell the Russian dismissive tactics.


The speed of the proven Russian propaganda and consistency that it hit this site shows that thinking otherwise is a suckers bet.

But I am sure that you are not deflecting for more nefarious reasons and are just being angry at people pointing out your nonsense because you might be used to being able to demand everyone around you to bend to your bullshit because, like, 'you said so'.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-business-afghanistan-taliban-3f66d407542879a95b26608eee08a07eScreen Shot 2021-09-13 at 1.09.30 PM.png
Up to half of the $14 trillion spent by the Pentagon since 9/11 went to for-profit defense contractors, a study released Monday found. While much of this money went to weapons suppliers, the research is the latest to point to the dependence on contractors for war-zone duties as contributing to mission failures in Afghanistan in particular.

In the post-9/11 wars, U.S. corporations contracted by the Defense Department not only handled war-zone logistics like running fuel convoys and staffing chow lines but performed mission-crucial work like training and equipping Afghan security forces — security forces that collapsed last month as the Taliban swept the country.

Within weeks, and before the U.S. military had even completed its withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Taliban easily routed an Afghan government and military that Americans had spent 20 years and billions of dollars to stand up. President Joe Biden placed blame squarely on the Afghans themselves. “We gave them every chance,” he said last month. “What we could not provide them was the will to fight.”

But William Hartung, the author of Monday’s study by Brown University’s Costs of War project and the Center for International Policy, and others say it’s essential that Americans examine what role the reliance on private contractors played in the post-9/11 wars. In Afghanistan, that included contractors allegedly paying protection money to warlords and the Taliban themselves, and the Defense Department insisting on equipping the Afghan air force with complex Blackhawk helicopters and other aircraft that few but U.S. contractors knew how to maintain.

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“If it were only the money, that would be outrageous enough,” Hartung, the director of the arms and security program at the Center for International Policy, said of instances where the Pentagon’s reliance on contractors backfired. “But the fact it undermined the mission and put troops at risk is even more outrageous.”

At the start of this year, before Biden began the final American withdrawal from Afghanistan, there were far more contractors in Afghanistan and also in Iraq than U.S. troops.

The U.S. saw about 7,000 military members die in all post-9/11 conflicts, and nearly 8,000 contractors, another Costs of War study estimates.

The Professional Services Council, an organization representing businesses contracting with the government, cited a lower figure from the U.S. Department of Labor saying nearly 4,000 federal contractors have been killed since 2001.

A spokeswoman pointed to a statement last month from the organization’s president, David J. Berteau: “For almost two decades, government contractors have provided broad and essential support for U.S. and allied forces, for the Afghan military and other elements of the Afghan government, and for humanitarian and economic development assistance.”

U.S. officials after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks embraced private contractors as an essential part of the U.S. military response.

It started with then-Vice President Dick Cheney, the former CEO of Halliburton. Halliburton received more than $30 billion to help set up and run bases, feed troops and carry out other work in Iraq and Afghanistan by 2008, the study says. Cheney and defense contractors argued that relying on private contractors for work that service members did in previous wars would allow for a trimmer U.S. military, and be more efficient and cost effective.

By 2010, Pentagon spending had surged by more than one-third, as the U.S. fought dual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In a post-9/11 American, politicians vied to show support for the military in a country grown far more security conscious.

“Any member of Congress who doesn’t vote for the funds we need to defend this country will be looking for a new job after next November,” the study notes Harry Stonecipher, then the vice president of Boeing, telling The Wall Street Journal the month after the attacks.

And up to a third of the Pentagon contracts went to just five weapons suppliers. Last fiscal year, for example, the money Lockheed Martin alone got from Pentagon contracts was one and a half times the entire budgets of the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development, according to the study.

The Pentagon pumped out more contracts than it could oversee, lawmakers and government special investigators said.

For example, a Florida Republican Party official made millions on what lawmakers charged were excess profits when the U.S. granted a one-of-a-kind contract for fuel convoys from Jordan to Iraq, the study notes. The electrocution of at least 18 service members by bad wiring in bases in Iraq, some of it blamed on major contractor Kellogg, Brown and Root, was another of many instances where government investigations pointed to shoddy logistics and reconstruction work.

The stunning Taliban victory last month in Afghanistan is drawing attention now to even graver consequences: the extent to which the U.S. reliance on contractors may have heightened the difficulties of the Afghan security forces.

Jodi Vittori, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel and scholar of corruption and fragile states at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who was not involved in the study, points to the U.S. insistence that the Afghan air force use U.S.-made helicopters. Afghans preferred Russian helicopters, which were easier to fly, could be maintained by Afghans, and were suited to rugged Afghanistan.

When U.S. contractors pulled out with U.S. troops this spring and summer, taking their knowledge of how to maintain U.S.-provided aircraft with them, top Afghan leaders bitterly complained to the U.S. that it had deprived them of one essential advantage over the Taliban.

Hartung, like others, also points to the corruption engendered by the billions of loosely monitored dollars that the U.S. poured into Afghanistan as one central reason that Afghanistan’s U.S.-backed government lost popular support, and Afghan fighters lost morale.

Hillary Clinton, while secretary of state under President Barack Obama, accused defense contractors at risk in war zones of resorting to payoffs to armed groups, making protection money one of the biggest sources of funding for the Taliban.

The United States also relied, in part, on defense contractors to carry out one of the tasks most central to its hopes of success in Afghanistan — helping to set up and train an Afghan military and other security forces that could stand up to extremist groups and to insurgents, including the Taliban.

Tellingly, Vittori said, it was Afghan commandos who had consistent training by U.S. special operations forces and others who did most of the fighting against the Taliban last month.

Relying less on private contractors, and more on the U.S. military as in past wars, might have given the U.S. better chances of victory in Afghanistan, Vittori noted. She said that would have meant U.S. presidents accepting the political risks of sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, and getting more body bags of U.S. troops back.

“Using contractors allowed America to fight a war that a lot of Americans forgot we were fighting,” Vittori said.
 

schuylaar

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how amazing there is a Congressional hearing on something dragging on us for 20 years but nothing on Climate Change, Homelessness, UI, Roe, Infrastructure, PANDEMIC!!!

WHAT THE FUCK ALREADY???
 

hanimmal

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how amazing there is a Congressional hearing on something dragging on us for 20 years but nothing on Climate Change,

Homelessness,


Not on Roe, but to be fair Texas has stuffed a whole lot of crazy in lately and it is hard to get it all in immediately.

But Biden had that one covered.


Infrastructure,


PANDEMIC!!!



WHAT THE FUCK ALREADY???
 
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