after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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mr. green thumb 01 said:
I always afraid I am not bringing them to their full potential with out at least bloom booster and sweetener. The only time I did that was w/ jacks classics in soil and it was not dense at all. Any pics of your monsters? What base was that with? Also it takes so long to run anything ya know I feel like id be losing $ if I didnt bulk them up. I am use to colas 2-3 soda cans stacked size on 2-3 ft plants. DWC with r/o, flora nova + feeding chart, great white and extra calmag was awesome results but ive been trying to find a cleaner formula because the flora nova seemed to muck up smaller, weaker plants roots. I never had heard about heins myco brew tea until after the flora nova so if the a.n is not what im looking for I think I may have to run the flora nova again w/ the tea. I did already order some connoisseur a&b and x-factor. About to get the big bud and bud candy and run just those 4 items. Also pondering about the bud ignitor...damn them and there great marketing skills!!ahhh.

I have got a few monsters going now with a dyna/technaflora mixture. Working pretty good! I started flower with a d.g base 1-3-2 nute ratio hit them hard with a d.g base 1-6-4 mix right at the beginning of peak flower (round wk4) and toward the end switched to a 1-2-3 w/ the bc base and they are getting very solid now. Just trying to experiment with dif npk values at dif times this grow... I should post some pics...had to go bonkers with string in there yesterday to keep those logs off the floor lol. Not trying to b a jerk but Im not looking for "a good place to start" I am way past the "starting place" imho. lol I do appreciate your and everyone elses advice also. truly!
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Hey mr. green I haven' taken pics in a few months but I have a few from a crop or two ago, some have been posted here already
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There was 8 of these tops per.
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6 weeks veg and a little manipulation.
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and now the new technique "lollipopping"

Most of these girls did recieve sensizym and cal/max but other than that all that was used was and is, AN 3 part basic.
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All the other additives can play a role in a healthy crop but are not required if dialed in properly. Individual strains will carry different issues, knowing what products to use will not only save your yeild but some cash also.

Good luck
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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Sir.Ganga said:
Hey mr. green I haven' taken pics in a few months but I have a few from a crop or two ago, some have been posted here already
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There was 8 of these tops per.
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6 weeks veg and a little manipulation.
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and now the new technique "lollipopping"

Most of these girls did recieve sensizym and cal/max but other than that all that was used was and is, AN 3 part basic.
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All the other additives can play a role in a healthy crop but are not required if dialed in properly. Individual strains will carry different issues, knowing what products to use will not only save your yeild but some cash also.

Good luck
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I am speechless

:-0 holy shit that is beautiful. granted they will shrink considerably once dried but man that Lst plant of whatever you did is awesome. Man I need to trust in the base. I wouldnt even think thats possible with only a base? Also what is that strain?
 
Sir.Ganga

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mr. green thumb 01 said:
I am speechless

:-0 holy shit that is beautiful. granted they will shrink considerably once dried but man that Lst plant of whatever you did is awesome. Man I need to trust in the base. I wouldnt even think thats possible with only a base? Also what is that strain?
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I like most went full boar with all the additives at first, Once I did a little reading and talked to some culturists and I figured out that all those additives are for specific situations. Each strain will require a little different care and that is where the wide variety of additives come in.

I am currently trying voodoo juice and carboload on a couple of trays and I think the carboload has increased thric production. The weight will tell me if its worth it or not.

That strain is Great White Shark, woderful strain from GHS, couch lock at 9 weeks and heady at 7-8 weeks. That girl in the pic was a pound dry.

Thanks for the likes.
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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I have heard great white shark is a very good yielder.

I guess its not working on my side the fact that I have numerous strains going at the same time. Another thing I really need to quit doing is putting 2 different strains running on the same res. I just like having different kinds though
 
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tree king

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scooby can you help me out? im having a problem with these clones i just took and i cant figure out the problem. 24 hours after i put them in the ez cloner the tips are turning brown and curling. im using a 60 site ez cloner, 380 ppm (ec x 500), 5.6 ph, sensi 2 part grow, barricade/silica, b-52, and 175 ml of botanicare power clone solution. from how many buckets of water i poured in its like a 13-14 gal res. just a heads up i took these clones in flower. i encounter this problem sometimes with full grown plants also and i can never figure out whats causing it. just so you know this has nothing to do with temp, humidity, water temp or light strength.
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tree king said:
scooby can you help me out? im having a problem with these clones i just took and i cant figure out the problem. 24 hours after i put them in the ez cloner the tips are turning brown and curling. im using a 60 site ez cloner, 380 ppm (ec x 500), 5.6 ph, sensi 2 part grow, barricade/silica, b-52, and 175 ml of botanicare power clone solution. from how many buckets of water i poured in its like a 13-14 gal res. just a heads up i took these clones in flower. i encounter this problem sometimes with full grown plants also and i can never figure out whats causing it. just so you know this has nothing to do with temp, humidity, water temp or light strength.
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looks like you took the clones pretty late into flower; around week 2-3. my best guess would be they are reverting back to veg and that is causing the extreme stress.
 
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tree king

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
looks like you took the clones pretty late into flower; around week 2-3. my best guess would be they are reverting back to veg and that is causing the extreme stress.
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no thats not it the've only been in the cloner for 24 hours. i think there getting too much of something do you know what it is? im guessing it has something to do with the silica or power clone liquid. ive never had this problem when using just nutes and b-52. what causes this type of deficiency to a plant in general that has to do with nutes? potassium, magnesium etc? it doesnt look like nitrogen
 
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tree king said:
no thats not it the've only been in the cloner for 24 hours. i think there getting too much of something do you know what it is? im guessing it has something to do with the silica or power clone liquid. ive never had this problem when using just nutes and b-52. what causes this type of deficiency to a plant in general that has to do with nutes? potassium, magnesium etc? it doesnt look like nitrogen
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i couldn't tell ya tree. i've seen a few plants that have been put back into veg after several weeks in flower and they end up looking like that. i'm not sure what the science is behind it but that's exactly what they looked like. i don't know of any specific deficiencies that would cause that. the problems seem to be starting on the tips which if anything would mean a burn; not a deficiency. good luck.
 
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tree king

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
i couldn't tell ya tree. i've seen a few plants that have been put back into veg after several weeks in flower and they end up looking like that. i'm not sure what the science is behind it but that's exactly what they looked like. i don't know of any specific deficiencies that would cause that. the problems seem to be starting on the tips which if anything would mean a burn; not a deficiency. good luck.
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sorry i meant a burn the clones are getting too much of something i just wish i knew what it was and which product is causing it. the only thing im good at spotting is nitrogen burn. thanks for trying il figure it out. if anyone knows please post
 
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patlpp said:
Man my first thought was heat, they looked too hot. What light you throwing at them? Temps?
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no way its heat cause there in my bedroom closet and i got the ac blasting all day the temp is probably 70. i thought it was impossible to be the light cause all i have is one of those regular flourescent fixtures that have the 2 bulbs in it there like 1' above the clones. someone on another forum just said they were getting burned i just wanna know by what mineral so i can find out what product is causing it and i can learn from this experience. that was my best guess from the start too
 
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Tree, you are putting to many nutes in the clone machine. I recommend ---either rapid start @ 1ml or voodoo juice@8ml per gallon. Then add sensi bloom 2mls per gallon and you will be in business. Dont add the b-52 until you have a nice root mass. If your still plannning on vegging in the ez cloner dont add the b-52 until a week or so before you switch to 12/12. And then when you do add the b-52---only use it at 1ml per gallon. Oompa times in your garden--Wonka
 
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tree king

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thanks for the advice willy. yeah everythings going good with the apollo except for the leaks where the extension gets hooked up to. im talkin about only where the water drains. i didnt have that much time to mess with it before last crop so when this crop is done im gonna see if im able to stop the leaks. im not sure but worst case scenario im gonna have to custom make some shit that doesnt leak. i think the company should make some minor adjustments how it gets hooked up. other than that i love that fuckin system, il be using that thing for years to come

as far as the cloner is concerned ive decided that if im using the power clone solution that im not gonna use any other additives. the last time i used the solution i got roots in 3 1/2 days. i dont think any other product on the market is messin with that. a couple questions though.

how come you dont recommend b-52 in the cloner from day 1? is my problem that im using b-52 and a root stimulator combined? i figured the b-1 would help the clones deal with the stress but at the same time promote rooting and speed up the metabolism to kick roots out faster. il be honest though i havent noticed faster rooting using it

also you use bloom nutes in your cloner instead of grow nutes? ive heard about other people doing this because they say the lower nitrogen is supposed to make the clones root faster. is this why you do that?
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
looks like you took the clones pretty late into flower; around week 2-3. my best guess would be they are reverting back to veg and that is causing the extreme stress.
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Clones are fine with only water until you start to see new growth then you can start with 200-300ppm. They look burnt. I would drain that and use only water or a solution no stronger than 150 ppm.


oops I didnt even quote the OP lol o well
 
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tree king

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mr. green thumb 01 said:
Clones are fine with only water until you start to see new growth then you can start with 200-300ppm. They look burnt. I would drain that and use only water or a solution no stronger than 150 ppm.


oops I didnt even quote the OP lol o well
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we're on the same page thanks. im at 200 ppm though and im gonna leave it there. ive never burned clones at that strength before
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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tree king said:
no thats not it the've only been in the cloner for 24 hours. i think there getting too much of something do you know what it is? im guessing it has something to do with the silica or power clone liquid. ive never had this problem when using just nutes and b-52. what causes this type of deficiency to a plant in general that has to do with nutes? potassium, magnesium etc? it doesnt look like nitrogen
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Hey tree I encountered the same thing kinda looks like wind burn but found out that it was the concostion I had in the cloner, they didn't like something but couldn't ever find it. I have moved on now and do not use any of the additives to my cloner. Ph balanced tap water has been the key to my sucess.

Ph balanced water kept at 72-76 gives me 100% every time and has since I stopped using the crap. With the water temp in check it usually takes 7-10 days to pop roots.

Good luck
 
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willy led wonka

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Your right on with only using the clone solution. You just dont need the b-52 that early. I use the bloom formula for veg because i was getting some weird leaf spotting in veg. I switched back to bloom and no more issues. If you are getting roots in 3 1/2 days then your turnaround time in the apollo is getting really efficient. You can see where it pushes production if you can get in on schedule. I have a buddy who has 2 of those 66 site apollos and 2-120 site cloners and hes always stoked. He has plenty of down time. But, when the work starts, it really starts.lol Congrats on our first apollo run. What lights are you using?
 
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