AG Holder finally ending corrupt civil forfeiture laws?!

ttystikk

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TheMan13 said:
^^^ Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind.

The Controlled Substance Act is a cancer that has been metastasizing for 45 years now. A criminal substance prohibition scheme hatched to rid society of drugs, yet the solution and problem continue generations later without question. These same drugs now uncontrollably permeate (are found within) the worlds largest prison population it has literally created. There is simply no excuse this mistake and it's unintended consequences have not been addressed within a half century. The parable of the Garden of Eden comes to mind as God could not prohibit his population of two from partaking in the apple. Today's popular and prison culture are often indistinguishable and our inner cities are war zones no one can understand or address? Do we not teach the tragedy of alcohol prohibition and it's organized crime to our children?
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Do as you're told, not as we do.
 
TheMan13

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I think we're missing the big picture (problem) here that these lawyers and bureaucrats are attempting to avoid with these bullshit legalese schematics and public parsing of words. "Watch this hand ...", if you will. The problem is our entire modern day justice system (federal thru local) as deemed necessary, built and funded for the past 45 years has been through the perspective of the "Drug War" (aka context). With I believe something like 70% of federal cases being "Drug War" related, turning back the clock just isn't an option for generations of tens of thousand of "civil servants" and these empires they've built. In the end it's a budget issue. There is simply no way to pay for this "justice system" we know of today without the robbing and stealing :(
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TheMan13 said:
I think we're missing the big picture (problem) here that these lawyers and bureaucrats are attempting to avoid with these bullshit legalese schematics and public parsing of words. "Watch this hand ...", if you will. The problem is our entire modern day justice system (federal thru local) as deemed necessary, built and funded for the past 45 years has been through the perspective of the "Drug War" (aka context). With I believe something like 70% of federal cases being "Drug War" related, turning back the clock just isn't an option for generations of tens of thousand of "civil servants" and these empires they've built. In the end it's a budget issue. There is simply no way to pay for this "justice system" we know of today without the robbing and stealing :(
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An excellent point. It's about time the police forfeited some of their unconstitutional laws and got back to the job of actually protecting and serving the public. They might find they can manage just fine with smaller budgets- and without military hardware.
 
silusbotwin

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Rrog said:
I'm having a pessimistic Saturday morning. But my morning has improved by hearing from Silus, so there's hope for my saturday.
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I'm blushing like an apple over here :P.


TheMan13 said:
I think we're missing the big picture (problem) here that these lawyers and bureaucrats are attempting to avoid with these bullshit legalese schematics and public parsing of words. "Watch this hand ...", if you will. The problem is our entire modern day justice system (federal thru local) as deemed necessary, built and funded for the past 45 years has been through the perspective of the "Drug War" (aka context). With I believe something like 70% of federal cases being "Drug War" related, turning back the clock just isn't an option for generations of tens of thousand of "civil servants" and these empires they've built. In the end it's a budget issue. There is simply no way to pay for this "justice system" we know of today without the robbing and stealing :(
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Well F'ing said, TheMan! I've been saying the same thing for years and years. Legalization can not happen under our current system. The whole judicial system would collapse without the ability to persecute and rob people for consuming cannabis. They simply CANNOT and will not legalize it under the current system, no matter how rationally aware and angry the people get.
 
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ttystikk

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silusbotwin said:
I'm blushing like an apple over here :P.




Well F'ing said, TheMan! I've been saying the same thing for years and years. Legalization can not happen under our current system. The whole judicial system would collapse without the ability to persecute and rob people for consuming cannabis. They simply CANNOT and will not legalize it under the current system, no matter how rationally aware and angry the people get.
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I disagree. It can happen, and it already has in five states.
 
TheMan13

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ttystikk said:
Gotta start somewhere, and the cracks are showing.
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There have been cracks showing in this criminal prohibition/CSA/Drug War for the past half century. From it's racist inception and failed design (see alcohol prohibition), to it's unconstitutional doubling down in response to the crack and teenage street gangs it spawned in the 80's, to funding the worlds largest prison population and culture it has created today. The powers that be have no issue with us nibbling around the edges of the game as it relates to the technicalities of marijuana's criminality, as long as we're not talking about the failed public policy in general; the fact that the problem has not only gotten worse, but the policy has actually exasperated it; and/or holding those responsible accountable for it's design, execution and perpetuity. These parasites threatening our society today hide in clouds of complexity/professionalism exempt from accountability and that is reliant upon our ignorance and willingness to follow a story line of their choosing IMHO
 
ttystikk

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TheMan13 said:
There have been cracks showing in this criminal prohibition/CSA/Drug War for the past half century. From it's racist inception and failed design (see alcohol prohibition), to it's unconstitutional doubling down in response to the crack and teenage street gangs it spawned in the 80's, to funding the worlds largest prison population and culture it has created today. The powers that be have no issue with us nibbling around the edges of the game as it relates to the technicalities of marijuana's criminality, as long as we're not talking about the failed public policy in general; the fact that the problem has not only gotten worse, but the policy has actually exasperated it; and/or holding those responsible accountable for it's design, execution and perpetuity. These parasites threatening our society today hide in clouds of complexity/professionalism exempt from accountability and that is reliant upon our ignorance and willingness to follow a story line of their choosing IMHO
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Fortunately, the conversation in Colorado is not so paranoid or benighted. US Senator Jared Polis (D, Colo) has been an outspoken advocate for the rollback of prohibition laws for all the reasons you outlined.

I said the cracks are showing. What's more, they're growing at an accelerating pace to the point where I believe much of the underpinnings of our current fascist state will be more critically reexamined in the next few years.
 
TheMan13

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ttystikk said:
Fortunately, the conversation in Colorado is not so paranoid or benighted. US Senator Jared Polis (D, Colo) has been an outspoken advocate for the rollback of prohibition laws for all the reasons you outlined.

I said the cracks are showing. What's more, they're growing at an accelerating pace to the point where I believe much of the underpinnings of our current fascist state will be more critically reexamined in the next few years.
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It's been nearly two decades since California passed Prop 215 legalizing medicinal marijuana and rendering marijuana's placement as a Schedule I Controlled Substance federally absurd. Half the states in this nation have now hopefully followed suit, yet AG Holder, Pres Obama, Congress nor the courts have flinched, nor is there any change in sight. Giving it a few more years only placates this litigious bullshit being sold to us as "law" and "government" today. Call me paranoid, but that defines benighted in my book and there's a chance it could get worse before it gets better (see Canada).

It took only a few years total for the People to enter and win World War II via law and government. Today the ability of the People to act has been hijacked by an elitist class of litigious politicians parsing words to cover their own asses at a clear cost to the People whom cannot afford it. Our survival as a nation relies upon putting an end to this game IMHO, not accepting, justifying or providing excuses for it.
 
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silusbotwin

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TheMan13 said:
It's been nearly two decades since California passed Prop 215 legalizing medicinal marijuana and rendering marijuana's placement as a Schedule I Controlled Substance federally absurd. Half the states in this nation have now hopefully followed suit, yet AG Holder, Pres Obama, Congress nor the courts have flinched, nor is there any change in sight. Giving it a few more years only placates this litigious bullshit being sold to us as "law" and "government" today. Call me paranoid, but that defines benighted in my book and there's a chance it could get worse before it gets better (see Canada).

It took only a few years total for the People to enter and win World War II via law and government. Today the ability of the People to act has been hijacked by an elitist class of litigious politicians parsing words to cover their own asses at a clear cost to the People whom cannot afford it. Our survival as a nation relies upon putting an end to this game IMHO, not accepting, justifying or providing excuses for it.
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We should be talking about reparations but instead they think we should be taxed. Well said again.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TheMan13 said:
It's been nearly two decades since California passed Prop 215 legalizing medicinal marijuana and rendering marijuana's placement as a Schedule I Controlled Substance federally absurd. Half the states in this nation have now hopefully followed suit, yet AG Holder, Pres Obama, Congress nor the courts have flinched, nor is there any change in sight. Giving it a few more years only placates this litigious bullshit being sold to us as "law" and "government" today. Call me paranoid, but that defines benighted in my book and there's a chance it could get worse before it gets better (see Canada).

It took only a few years total for the People to enter and win World War II via law and government. Today the ability of the People to act has been hijacked by an elitist class of litigious politicians parsing words to cover their own asses at a clear cost to the People whom cannot afford it. Our survival as a nation relies upon putting an end to this game IMHO, not accepting, justifying or providing excuses for it.
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Extremely well said- but those same elitists are not simply going to hand their power back because we ask nicely.

So how do We the People take power back from them?

I believe the first step is to call the tactics of the Federal government out for what they are; FASCISM. Republicans live to slap nasty names on people and activities in order to smear them and slant public opinion, so I think it's only fair that we co-opt their tactics and label THEIR activities and attitudes in the strongest terms possible.

They will squirm, they will make excuses, they will deny. And they'll look culpable as Fuck.

BOEHNER = REPUBLICAN = FASCIST.

Who wants to go next?
 
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TheMan13

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I do not see a partisan divide here at all, both parties have far too many horses in this race. Although I must say some social conservatives scare the shit out of me on the issue.

Today I believe no individual politician/bureaucrat bares more responsibility for the obstruction of justice than Attorney General Eric Holder. That will soon change and they will face the facts of the FDA study done for the DEA per citizen request. I cannot see how they can keep holding out, but they keep proving me wrong :(


 
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NurseNancy420

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ask the lawyers fighting on our side what keeps them up at night?
A republican President... Who puts Bill shuettee as Attorney General..

Gotta show him for what he is before that happens
 
NurseNancy420

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ask the lawyers fighting on our side what keeps them up at night?
A republican President... Who puts Bill shuettee as Attorney General..

Gotta show him for what he is before that happens
 
TheMan13

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NurseNancy420 said:
ask the lawyers fighting on our side what keeps them up at night?
A republican President... Who puts Bill shuettee as Attorney General..

Gotta show him for what he is before that happens
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Yet the Democrat lawyers currently occupying the office of President and Attorney General responsible for maintaining executive marijuana eradication policy and marijuana as a Schedule I Controlled Substance respectively today keep those same lawyers pretty cozy at night at our expense.

Does it really matter if this game is kept up because a Democrat and their lawyers want to maintain their power and control and their Trial Lawyer Associations donors/lobbyists, or because a social conservative Republican may see it as a morality issue as would appease those donors/lobbyists? Yet those same Republicans believe in the smaller less intrusive government we seek.

To win we'll need to transcend this game, not blindly buy into it because in reality we cannot afford to purchase either political party ...
 
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